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Post#21 » by tombattor » Mon May 19, 2008 4:05 pm

You gotta give Ray credit for realizing his slump and not forcing things. He knew he was struggling, so he concentrated on playing D, moving the ball, etc. That's why we need to keep Ray in the game, while Sam is out of the rotation.

If you're not getting it done on one end, you gotta pick it up on the other end and Ray clearly has done that. Let's hope Ray has a better series against the Pistons because we'll definitely need it.
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Post#22 » by Kefa461 » Mon May 19, 2008 7:10 pm

Don't count Ray out........we will need him and he will come through for us....mark this down..... 8)
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Post#23 » by Kefa461 » Mon May 19, 2008 7:12 pm

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If he is in a shooting slump, that is understandable. That happens to the best of them. But Ray needs to go to the basket and get closer looks. He can't even do that. That's the frustrating part. Also, if he is struggling, he needs to help out in other ways like passing, playing D, and rebounding. He isn't doing that either.


He is passing, he is playing d and everything else.....where have you seen otherwise..... 8)
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Post#24 » by tombattor » Mon May 19, 2008 7:14 pm

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He is passing, he is playing d and everything else.....where have you seen otherwise..... 8)

Exactly. I don't know where r2g saw Ray not doing the other things...
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Post#25 » by Kefa461 » Mon May 19, 2008 7:15 pm

Matt34520 wrote:return2glory is the truth. Sometimes the truth hurts, thats why people like me try to ignore it...lol




Paul is the truth.......rtg is jumping on whomever is down at the moment.....PP was a loser 2 games ago....now he's a god..now cause Ray is down let's jump on him, it was KG 3 games ago. When we lose, it's neck jump on time, thats all........Ray will be there, he is NOT done...... 8)
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Post#26 » by Tricky Ricky » Mon May 19, 2008 7:21 pm

return2glory wrote:**** Ray Allen. He is a **** choker. He has gotten worse and worse as the playoffs have gone on. He deserves no credit. If that mucker **** can't make 2 free throws and he shouldn't be on this roster because he hasn't been giving some ****.

All the credit goes to Paul Pierce who stepped up big time. He was amazing. A lot of credit should also go to P.J. Brown. Doc deserves some credit for this game as well.

House hussled like crazy. Rondo choked. KG did his disappearing act in big games again. Perkins was descent at best. Posey was ok.

Pierce carried everyone today.


You suck as a fan, I thought I was negative but come on he buried two huge huge free throws to keep us alive
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Post#27 » by Exile` » Mon May 19, 2008 8:16 pm

Why do people keep acting like the Ray situation is some great mystery?

I watch him play these games and can tell you his legs are shot. Just look at him jump, his vertical leap is down about foot from the start of the season. That means flat jumpers, no jumping up to pass out of double teams, and no ability to get his shot off around the rim.

Ray needs rest, but you don't get that in playoff series that run to 7 games.

To his credit, he isn't complaining, isn't whining about being hurt, and is still keeping a defender locked up and away from Paul.
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Post#28 » by tombattor » Mon May 19, 2008 8:21 pm

Exile` wrote:Why do people keep acting like the Ray situation is some great mystery?

I watch him play these games and can tell you his legs are shot. Just look at him jump, his vertical leap is down about foot from the start of the season. That means flat jumpers, no jumping up to pass out of double teams, and no ability to get his shot off around the rim.

Ray needs rest, but you don't get that in playoff series that run to 7 games.

To his credit, he isn't complaining, isn't whining about being hurt, and is still keeping a defender locked up and away from Paul.

You know what? I don't think that's really the case. I think he's thinking way too much.

For example, when he's warming up before the game or before the 2nd half, he's making almost every shot. They sometimes even pass him the ball and have a guy run at him. He's still money. But during the game, he's missing wide-open shots he's draining during warm ups. I know the game and warmups are different, but it just seems like that to me.
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Post#29 » by dinoz » Tue May 20, 2008 4:03 am

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You know what? I don't think that's really the case. I think he's thinking way too much.

For example, when he's warming up before the game or before the 2nd half, he's making almost every shot. They sometimes even pass him the ball and have a guy run at him. He's still money. But during the game, he's missing wide-open shots he's draining during warm ups. I know the game and warmups are different, but it just seems like that to me.


Thanks for the scouting report, reporting on things we can't see on TV. Your report gives me hope that Ray can come around. It is possible that Ray will be so busy chasing Rip Hamilton around that, on offense, Ray may stop thinking and hit some shots.
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Post#30 » by 3pt % » Tue May 20, 2008 4:34 am

The family stuff off court seems to be affecting Ray, which is understandable when someone goes to prison for trying to murder your step father.

Some players seem to use the court as a refuge, others dont.

Ray doesn't seem to be, but now that the sentancing is over, he might be able to get his focus back.

Say, game three against the Pistons for our first away victory :) !
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Post#31 » by armageddon » Tue May 20, 2008 5:52 pm

So much for giving credit to Ray for not complaining. Now he's not pulling his weight and he's blaming his teammates and coaches. I see Rondo on floor, Paul diving for loose balls, KG nutting up, House giving all hustle, Ray standing around and avoiding every bit of contact he can - just a wimp - that's why Ray and playoffs don't mix. Pretty boys go home.
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Post#32 » by tombattor » Tue May 20, 2008 6:29 pm

armageddon wrote:So much for giving credit to Ray for not complaining. Now he's not pulling his weight and he's blaming his teammates and coaches. I see Rondo on floor, Paul diving for loose balls, KG nutting up, House giving all hustle, Ray standing around and avoiding every bit of contact he can - just a wimp - that's why Ray and playoffs don't mix. Pretty boys go home.

Is he blaming teammates and coaches now? Where have you seen this? If it's true, that's pretty disappointing.
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Post#33 » by return2glory » Tue May 20, 2008 7:20 pm

I want Ray to do really well, I do. Cleveland actually made a huge effort in trying to keep the ball away from him. Sure he could have done a little more.

Ray has lost some quickness because he can't come around the screens and lose his man. And I agree with another poster that stated Ray isn't elavating as much on his jumper. I think the ankle surgery he had in the off season is effecting his game. It has too. Maybe Doc can limit his minutes to about 30-34 a game and keep him fresher.

Either way, I hope Ray bounces back this series. I even changed my avator. Maybe that can bring him better luck.
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Post#34 » by tombattor » Tue May 20, 2008 7:23 pm

return2glory wrote:I want Ray to do really well, I do. Cleveland actually made a huge effort in trying to keep the ball away from him. Sure he could have done a little more.

Ray has lost some quickness because he can't come around the screens and lose his man. And I agree with another poster that stated Ray isn't elavating as much on his jumper. I think the ankle surgery he had in the off season is effecting his game. It has too. Maybe Doc can limit his minutes to about 30-34 a game and keep him fresher.

Either way, I hope Ray bounces back this series. I even changed my avator. Maybe that can bring him better luck.

Yeah, we definitely need Ray to get hot. Tonight would be a good time for that.

FWIW, I liked your PJ Brown avatar more than this one... I'd change mine too, but I can't get myself to replace Red with anyone...
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Post#35 » by MyInsatiableOne » Tue May 20, 2008 8:17 pm

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You suck as a fan, I thought I was negative but come on he buried two huge huge free throws to keep us alive


No kidding, what a "fan", huh?
It's still 17 to 11!!!!

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