Brad Daugherty

[EddyCurry=GOD]

Who would you compare Brad Daugherty to now or anytime.

BTW why did he retire so early? He only played 8 years while still putting up great numbers for a center

[TrueLAfan]

Daugherty had back issues--I think he had a ruptured disc in his final season, and after the surgery he was forced to retire.

It's hard to pinpoint someone who Daugherty was like in the current NBA. Right off the bat, he was a very good passer...better than any C today that I can think of. He had a very good midrange game and was a very high efficiency scorer. I guess the closest player would probably be Andrew Bogut...but Daugherty was much better than Bogut is now, and they aren't that similar anyway. If Bogut was quicker, a better defender, and scored about 6 more points a game, he'd be a lot more like Daugherty. Bogut would also be an All-Star and a borderline elite player...which is what Daugherty was.

Brad Miller, when he's healthy, is a pretty good comparison although, again , Daugherty is better (especially on D). From the past...Jack Sikma is a good comparison. Bob Lanier isn't too far off either.

[Tim Lehrbach]

Give LaMarcus Aldridge a couple more years to refine his passing ability and play a little smarter at both ends, then you might have your comparison.

Daugherty was great.

[Warspite]

Daugherty IMHO is Duncan. The 2 play the same way and have similar ability. No Doubt Daugherty would be 1st team all NBA today and if hes on a good team with a HoF coach and a HoF teamamte or 2 hes a HoF C and a multiple time champ. Theres nothing I see TD do that Daugherty couldnt except the shotblocking.

Just another case of a player who played in a stacked era but would dominate in a weak era.

[bstein14]

Duncan's career was set up perfectly. He got to step into a good team right away. He got the advantage of playing next to David Robinson.

I always wonder what Duncan's career would have been like if he ended up in Boston with Ron Mercer(who they took #6 that year).

[sp6r=underrated]

Someday I hope we will have a good player return to the NBA.

[TrueLAfan]

Daugherty IMHO is Duncan. The 2 play the same way and have similar ability. No Doubt Daugherty would be 1st team all NBA today and if hes on a good team with a HoF coach and a HoF teamamte or 2 hes a HoF C and a multiple time champ. Theres nothing I see TD do that Daugherty couldnt except the shotblocking.

Just another case of a player who played in a stacked era but would dominate in a weak era.

Good choice. I thought about Duncan too...he's probably the closest modern player. Duncan is a much better rebounder and defender. Daughgerty is good in those areas; Duncan is near all-time great status on D. But other than that, they're pretty cvomparable. I mean, if Tim Duncan was a B/B+ defender instead of an A/A+ defender, and grabbed two fewer rebounds a game, he wouldn't be considered to be as good as he is now. But he'd still be a top level player, and that's what Daugherty was.

[sp6r=underrated]

Daugherty is somewhat similar to Duncan if you ignore the fact that Duncan was much more of a post player and his game was built as much as power as on finesse. But their value as players isn

[Warspite]

Daugherty is somewhat similar to Duncan if you ignore the fact that Duncan was much more of a post player and his game was built as much as power as on finesse. But their value as players isn

[sp6r=underrated]

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Good job at taking my statement out of context....

Well let

[Warspite]

You said Daugherty was a top 10 player once so I started thinking about Duncan playing in the 80s with

MJ, Bird, Magic, Kareem,DrJ, Mosses, Hakeem, Malone, Charles, Isiah, Stockton, Ewing, DRob, Drexler, Nique, English, King, KJ, Run TMC, and even one hit wonders like Lever, Chambers, Aguirre, Robertson

Yeah top 10 player is not much of a put down.


Duncans team accomplishments are credits to his team (which he is part of) and IMHO dont tell me how good he is just like Horry 7 rings>Wilt 2 rings.

You can argue for Duncans "Greatness" all you want but that doesnt change his ability. He is what he is... Understand "Greatness is a player vs his peers of his era" Being 2nd team all NBA to MJ and Magic holds more weight than being 1st team all NBA over Amare.

Furthermore Daugherty played Center and so would compete for 1st team all NBA vs Camby, B Wallace, Big Z and all the other HoF Cs playing today. As so many have said "Duncan isnt a C hes a PF"

Daugherty is a poor mans Duncan does that make you happy??

You may think Duncan can outplay Hakeem, Kareem, Mosses, Magic, Bird and MJ but please humor this old man to think differantly.

[jab]

Warspite +100


Biased Homer Fan who has not seen enough basketball games to understand what he is looking at -100

[sp6r=underrated]

Warspite

Just answer me this question. Why isn't there any player in the last 15 years who you would consider elite? If you really Daugherty is comparable to Duncan (who besides Shaq is probably the best player of his generation), than you must think players today aren't any good.

Where did all the NBA players go?

[Basileus777]

The amount of disrespect towards Duncan and the modern NBA in this thread is amazing. This is the equivalence of those who argue that Wilt would be a backup in today's NBA.

[penbeast0]

Where do people get the idea that Daugherty was an above average defensive center? He wasn't. I loved him and he was an very good scorer (superior to Miller though not with his range), a GREAT passer (Brad Miller/Chris Webber level), a decent but not great rebounder, and a below average defender. That was always the issue with him or he would have been a consistent all-star. He was an average man defender and a below average shot blocker/help defender. Very good player but let's keep it within reason.

Comparing him defensively to (prime) Bob Lanier or Jack Sikma is just plain incorrect. Both were far superior as man defenders, Lanier as a low post defender and Sikma as an on the floor defender particularly. In fact, I'd say Andrew Bogut this year was probably superior to an average DEFENSIVE year by Daugherty . . . a rich man's Brad Miller is pretty accurate.

[sp6r=underrated]

LOL at penbeast editing Truelafan's post

[Warspite]

Warspite

Just answer me this question. Why isn't there any player in the last 15 years who you would consider elite? If you really Daugherty is comparable to Duncan (who besides Shaq is probably the best player of his generation), than you must think players today aren't any good.

Where did all the NBA players go?

Duncan in any era is a great defensive player and a 20-13 career player. So hes in the same neighborhood as Mosses Malone, Hakeem and Jerry Lucas as well as Bob Lanier and Walt Bellamy. Why is that such an insult??? Duncan IMHO is the better allround player than Bill Russell.

Daugherty today would most likely be the great rival of Duncan. Thats not an indictment of Duncan but of the bigmen of this era.

Daugherty IMHO is better than any C playing today outside of Duncan. Duncan today is a shadow of his former self and would struggle vs a post injured DRob. I dont see Duncan getting those 25pts 16 rebs that he used to and what DHoward, Dirk, KG are doing today. I watched Daugherty get a 20-20 in the playoffs. He was a very good player that you simply dismiss becasue he doesnt have the awards.

What I merely said was that the closest player playing today to Daugherty is Duncan. Yao is too slow but a better scorer. Shaq is putting up similar stats but plays a totaly differant game. Camby is miles behind in offense. I guess Sheed if he was the 1st option would be on par. In the current ATL draft I have had to look up alot of players and see how many players actualy had 20-10 seasons. Pre Injury Antonio McDyses was a 22-12 player. Vin Baker was also a 21-11 player.

Judgeing players on paper/film is not the same as compareing resumes.

Micheal Finley won 3 straight games of 1on1 vs MJ in 96 or 97. Finley was still in High School or at Wisconsin.

Is Finley the better player??
On that day he was and he had the potential to be great but he had no shot at being the GOAT player. Finley could play with MJ and they had similar games. I see no differance between that comparison and the one in this thread.

1. Kobe has surpassed Drexler IMHO and is now only behind MJ
2. LBJ is on par with DrJ and Oscar
3. Nash is better than Stockton
4. Amare on his best days is = K Malone

How many do you need?

Doesnt it only make sense that as time goes on its harder to be a all time great and the ladder gets harder to climb? When Baylor retired he was compared to best SF before him in Arizen. When DrJ retired he was compared to Baylor. When MJ retired he was compared to Bird, DrJ and Baylor. Being a top 20-50-100 player gets harder and harder every yr. It will be harder for Beasley than it was for Duncan to be a alltime great. Thats life.....

if you want to think Bynum is better than Parish or Gilmore or Thurmond I can see why and he has the potential to be. I reserve judgemnt becasue he is so young and I have seen alot of players have 1 great yr.

In Closeing I believe Daugherty would be a tougher matchup for Duncan than any C he has played since Shaq went to Miami. I have NP putting Daugherty on an ALL NBA 1st or 2nd team above just about every C playing today. I dont why that upsets you other than the fact that you didnt get to watch these players live.

Where did they go??

many factors not the least of them are
1. Horrible coaching at lower levels
2. 3pt line dumbing down the game
3. Population changes (baby Boomers now to old to play)
4. Moral breakdown of society
5. The glorification of the athlete.

most importantly IMHO its Roe v Wade.

Only GOD knows how many HoFers, Scientists, inventors, Presidents and Prophets that have been lost because of that lawsuit. A whole generation of Americans wiped out.

[penbeast0]

oh bleep, my apologies, I must have hit edit instead of quote

[TheOUTLAW]

Daugherty's game was most similar to that of Duncan although Duncan is a better player. Daugherty was a darn good player however.

[Blame Rasho]

oh bleep, my apologies, I must have hit edit instead of quote

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