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Post#61 » by drsd » Wed May 21, 2008 1:12 pm

theTHIEF wrote:yea Ron can, does and has played the 2...but...c'mon here...Ron Artest...he's friggin NUTS...it's the same story line in every city...agreed that the off the court stuff is not a big issue really anymore...but i dont really care so much about that as i do him just running around with the ball, not passing it, getting into arguments with fans and acting a fool on the court...not to mention...you want our young core to be surrounded by this dude all the time?

man...please lord...say it isnt so...


Rodman was crazy and won five title. The point is that Artest comes to play. I see him as a similar mental level as Rasheed Wallace. In the right system, these head cases can help teams win games. Ron gets frustrated because he is playing for bad teams, not because he quits on court.
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Post#62 » by theTHIEF » Wed May 21, 2008 2:16 pm

You can believe what you like about ron, it really doesn't matter...he's not coming to Orlando, Devos and Bob will not let it happen so there is no sense in making a case for him...YES he's extremely gifted, but the negatives will always shadow his positives and that is why many teams have not capitalized on the various on and off "trade requests" and uncertainties of Mr. Artest.

I don't really see the parallel between mental and champion, sure you can be mental and part of a champion, but not every team needs a mental case to become champion...many of the reasons the mental cases work on championship teams is that they usually have someone who can reach these guys and handle them...I don't think throwing a mental project into the mix with an up and coming kid trying to claim his place is a good idea, not one bit.

I'm not labeling Artest Pshycotic, however watching this guy on a down night is horrible, and everything he does, he does with a flagrant flare...

he did it all because he was on a bad team? well I got news, Orlando isnt much better than that Indy team he was on, and Sacramento isn't exactly a craptastic team...I don't buy into the train of thought "oh I'm the top defensive guy in the league, but my team sucks so I'm going to just play 1 on 5 and if I was on a great team none of this would be happening right now"

whatever though...
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Post#63 » by Catledge » Wed May 21, 2008 5:33 pm

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Actually, I thought the Pistons' bigs ability to tie up Dwight made it more difficult to run the offense the way the Magic wanted to (and resulted in more turnovers) and so that kept the team from scoring the way it wanted. They couldn't run the offense inside-out as much. They couldn't get up the court as quickly. And the Magic did get as many second-chance points because McDyess was stealing all of Dwight's offensive rebounds and Detroit was getting a lot of the offensive rebounds on its end of the court, too. McDyess just killed the Magic.

I think the Magic could have let the Pistons get away with scoring the way they did. The problem was the Magic were averaging nearly 20 ppg less against the Pistons than they had pretty much up until then.

Combine that with the fact that the Pistons were bigger at every position, and the Pistons pretty much just wore the Magic down -- maybe even not as much physically as mentally because every time they turned around McDyess was grabbing a rebound, Rasheed's long arms were there, Prince's long arms were there, Maxiell was knocking their legs out from under them. Especially at the big spots, there wasn't as much drop-off on the bench for the Pistons.

The way the game was officiated just contributed to that, too. There is one play that has been shown on TV at least 1,000 times for reasons that don't have anything to do with fouls or officiating where Rasheed has his arms wrapped all the way around the inside of Dwight's arm to keep him from moving it and also allowing Wallace to strip the ball out of Dwight's hand. There was no foul called on that play.


8 pts and 8 rebounds. Yeah, stats don't tell the whole story, but c'mon.

I'll grant that they played Dwight well defensively, but I don't see how having a bigger PF would have changed that. If anything, Lewis' ability to spread the floor made it easier on Dwight all season.

Rip Hamilton, meanwhile, lit up our SGs all series.
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Post#64 » by lovehoops01 » Thu May 22, 2008 12:29 am

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8 pts and 8 rebounds. Yeah, stats don't tell the whole story, but c'mon.

I'll grant that they played Dwight well defensively, but I don't see how having a bigger PF would have changed that. If anything, Lewis' ability to spread the floor made it easier on Dwight all season.

Rip Hamilton, meanwhile, lit up our SGs all series.


Having another big would have prevented the Pistons from keeping him off the boards as much because they couldn't have double- and tripled- him up on the boards. Someone else would have been there to help box them out or battle for the boards, too. As it was, he often was battling three guys for the basketball.
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Post#65 » by theTHIEF » Thu May 22, 2008 12:31 am

^ another *quality big...

with all of our downfalls we could have still taken a few more games with another big man who can rebound and put up easy shots...

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