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Post#61 » by JoeHova » Wed May 21, 2008 4:44 pm

BBallFreak wrote:I don't think Power Forward is a big need for the Heat. We do have Udonis Haslem, and he ain't bad. Don't get me wrong, we could stand an upgrade, but it's not what I'd call a big need - not when we have Mark Blount starting at center...


I just disagree about Haslem's quality. I feel that he's pretty lackluster as a starter and would be better as 3rd or 4th big in a rotation (like Joe Smith). Obviously center is a huge problem as well unless Alonzo decides to come back, but there is no franchise center in this draft (imo). I hope Blount is cut, but I'm realistic in the sense that a cheapskate like Arison won't throw that money away despite the fact that it's already thrown away whether or not Blount is actually on the team.

Anyway, I'd be happy with either guy as a sidekick to Wade. Rose might fit a little better, but if his shot is as broke as some make it out to be, it's not like missing out on him would be the end of the world.
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Post#62 » by Flash4thewin » Wed May 21, 2008 5:00 pm

Without Shaq UD is exposed and taking sentimentality away shouldnt be a starter but a bench energy player.
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Post#63 » by DanDanE420 » Wed May 21, 2008 5:49 pm

With Beasley, Marion and Haslem, we'd have the best group of forwards in the league. Both Beasley and Marion are versatile enough to play 3 and 4, so Spo has flexibility in his lineups.

I'd distribute the minutes like this: 35 for Marion, 33 for Beasley, 27 for Haslem. That's very similar to the way we used Walker/Haslem/Posey in the playoffs.
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Post#64 » by Miami's Finest » Wed May 21, 2008 5:56 pm

I would like to keep that three man forward rotation, but Haslem is our best chance of bringing in a good PG.
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Post#65 » by CB4MiamiHeat » Wed May 21, 2008 6:41 pm

we should offer the Bulls something for Hinrich ..give them a reason to draft Rose so we can get Beasley.
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Post#66 » by HPS » Wed May 21, 2008 7:02 pm

Paxson was interviewed today on Chicago radio station and talked up Drew Gooden. It's going to be Rose.....Beasley has way too many question marks...notoriously bad defensive player, 6 high schools???
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Post#67 » by DayofMourning » Wed May 21, 2008 7:12 pm

HPS wrote:Paxson was interviewed today on Chicago radio station and talked up Drew Gooden. It's going to be Rose.....Beasley has way too many question marks...notoriously bad defensive player, 6 high schools???


GMs are supposed to talk up everybody on their team in order to get the best possible return if they choose to part with them. Chicago should definitely go Beasley, but if they don't then I'm still one happy dude.

Riley is fantastic at misinformation. A master. It's the reason he has been so successful on so many levels in the NBA. If info comes out that the Heat like Rose then I think Beasley is the choice. Kaman was supposed to be the guy a few years back and they take Wade. Riley isn't going to show you his hand. That's why he mentioned possibly trading the pick. He wants to see what some crazy team will give up to grab a prized possession.

It's the way the game goes and everyone should realize that. Don't take anything at face value.
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Post#68 » by DayofMourning » Wed May 21, 2008 7:19 pm

HPS wrote:This is why the Bulls won't take Beasley...it's from the DraftExpress Beasely profile and goes against everyone Paxson looks for:

From DraftExpress in the Beasley profile:

Defensively, there is absolutely no way around the fact that Beasley has looked awful so far--not really a surprise considering his reputation coming into college. Even when he tries to put in a legit effort, he looks unfocused--almost completely lost-- constantly out of position, and too often caught with his hand in the cookie jar gambling for steals. He doesn
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Post#69 » by Heat11114 » Wed May 21, 2008 8:10 pm

With the way most Chicago fans have been hyping Rose 30+ days before the draft i'm starting to think it would be hilarious if they ended up taking Beasley.
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Post#70 » by NO-KG-AI » Wed May 21, 2008 8:15 pm

Look, DraftExpress has a way of taking a small flaw, and blowing it way out of proportion, and claiming it is unfixable(Greg Oden's mechanicalness in the post, then retracting that after one game).

When a guy is an offensive force like Beasley, with a rep as a guy who struggled defensively, the mainstream media will blow it out of proportion.

Beasley will be fine at the 3 or 4 IMO. One thing that really flies under the radar is how hard of a worker he is on his game and in the weight room.

His body is well developed, and his offensive game was super advanced, even as a high schooler. That's hours and hours of hard work, and that's something you don't hear much of, but his coaches glow about his work ethic.

I think you will be happy with either guy, but Beasley is the guy for Miami and Dwyane Wade, no doubt in my mind.
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Post#71 » by OAKTREE NYK1 » Wed May 21, 2008 8:19 pm

I dont think Paxson is going to alienate the fan base and the city of Chicago. I am thinking there is a 99.9% chance they pick Rose. He is the hometown kid and a marketing departments dream come true. Rose will be a Bull and Riley will has his post guy in Beasley. Another crazy scenario though is some type of trade for Elton Brand and Shaun Livingston but I guess that will be discussed at a later date
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Post#72 » by SmushedPennies » Wed May 21, 2008 8:20 pm

Yeah, the Heat are in a perfect situation. As a Heat fan I've really been enamored with Rose, but feel, if he reaches his potential, Beasley may be the better (more efficient) sidekick. So either we get the player I want or the player that might work the best.
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Post#73 » by G.cracker » Wed May 21, 2008 8:26 pm

If Chicago does take Rose, here's the MONSTER plus for us....


Dwayne Wade will not be going anywhere in 2010.

Obviously we have the ability to pay him more than any other team, and NY will likely make a run, but only if rebuffed by Lebron who they will surely make priority 1, but Chicago has always been the market that I've feared Wade departing to most... not just because it is his hometown, nor that it is one of the top three markets and a main hub of all advertising, but mainly because with Siovahn moving there with the kids, as D-Wade gets older, seeing his kids and more importantly having them see him play becomes a factor more important than money or loyalty. Just ask EJ. He had a deal with Reinsdorf when he suddenly changed his mind. But with Rose there, who is arguably a younger Wade with more passing skills and also a hometown product, there will be little to no desire to tear it down to add Wade. I mean, would they love to have that dream backcourt the way we hope, of course, but at the expense of almost everything else? I'm not sure it is vital enough, nor do I believe would Wade want to go to a situation like that.

Without that family need pull, we match up better than any other possible team and, barring injury, would supermax him anyway.
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Post#74 » by DayofMourning » Wed May 21, 2008 8:40 pm

NO-KG-AI wrote:Look, DraftExpress has a way of taking a small flaw, and blowing it way out of proportion, and claiming it is unfixable(Greg Oden's mechanicalness in the post, then retracting that after one game).

When a guy is an offensive force like Beasley, with a rep as a guy who struggled defensively, the mainstream media will blow it out of proportion.

Beasley will be fine at the 3 or 4 IMO. One thing that really flies under the radar is how hard of a worker he is on his game and in the weight room.

His body is well developed, and his offensive game was super advanced, even as a high schooler. That's hours and hours of hard work, and that's something you don't hear much of, but his coaches glow about his work ethic.

I think you will be happy with either guy, but Beasley is the guy for Miami and Dwyane Wade, no doubt in my mind.


Riley coveted Bosh in '03 and most likely would have taken him if he had the 4th pick. He is still in need of a PF of those scoring and rebounding capabilities, and Beasley would be the perfect guy to fill those needs. I believe Beasley will be as good or better than Bosh and a lot of that has to do with what you stated. He is dedicated to being a great player and with his physical abilities and his fantastic skill set, we'll see a star who is ready to contribute fairly soon, if not immediately. He'll take a huge load off of Wade and will help counter those dry spells that a team of our current design has on offense.
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Post#75 » by OAKTREE NYK1 » Wed May 21, 2008 8:41 pm

We all know that Miami desperately needs a PG in the worst way. Is it me or do some of you feel that Riley wants no part of Beasley. I mean if Rose was there at #2 it would be be a knock out but I was thinking that maybe a team like the Clippers might want to jump up for a shot at Beasley. I am not sure how it would work but is it conceivable for a possible S&T of Elton Brand and the #7 pick for the #2????? Then Riley could get a PG like Russell Westbrook who just seems to me would be a Riley favorite.
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Post#76 » by NO-KG-AI » Wed May 21, 2008 8:50 pm

Russell Westbrook is less of a PG than Dwyane is.
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Post#77 » by DayofMourning » Wed May 21, 2008 8:51 pm

OAKTREE NYK1 wrote:We all know that Miami desperately needs a PG in the worst way. Is it me or do some of you feel that Riley wants no part of Beasley. I mean if Rose was there at #2 it would be be a knock out but I was thinking that maybe a team like the Clippers might want to jump up for a shot at Beasley. I am not sure how it would work but is it conceivable for a possible S&T of Elton Brand and the #7 pick for the #2????? Then Riley could get a PG like Russell Westbrook who just seems to me would be a Riley favorite.


This team needs a whole lot. A PG would help immensely, especially allowing Wade to have less time with the ball and taking away some of the stress of creating all the opportunities. Beasley will allow the same thing though from the post. We don't have anybody who can create down low and manage the offense effectively from that spot. Calderon may be attainable and I can't think of anyone being more capable of playing the point next to Wade then Calderon. He'd be tough to get and would be expensive to attain, but depending on the deal would absolutely be worth it.
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Post#78 » by boogydown » Wed May 21, 2008 9:11 pm

Heat could do one of two things

Hinrich
Nocioni

FOR

Marion

PG Hinrich
SG Wade
SF Nocioni
PF Beasily
C Haslam

PG Rose
SG Gordon - Sefo
SF Deng - Marion
PF Marion - Gooden - T. Thomas
C Noah - Gooden
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Post#79 » by Electric Slim » Wed May 21, 2008 9:14 pm

BBallFreak wrote:I don't think Power Forward is a big need for the Heat. We do have Udonis Haslem, and he ain't bad. Don't get me wrong, we could stand an upgrade, but it's not what I'd call a big need - not when we have Mark Blount starting at center...


What I don't get is how much better do you think Haslem is than Gooden? Gooden averaged 14 and 9 for the Bulls.
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Post#80 » by DayofMourning » Wed May 21, 2008 9:14 pm

boogydown wrote:Heat could do one of two things

Hinrich
Nocioni

FOR

Marion

PG Hinrich
SG Wade
SF Nocioni
PF Beasily
C Haslam

PG Rose
SG Gordon - Sefo
SF Deng - Marion
PF Marion - Gooden - T. Thomas
C Noah - Gooden


What's the second thing?

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