we should trade up for russell westbrook

[cavshats]

I think we could work out some deal using our 19th and some of our expirings to move into the top 10 and snag westbrook if he is availible. (NOT SAYING TAKE ON RANDOLPH FROM THE KNICKS FOR THE 6th pick) I think westbrook would make a great compliment to lebron being a shutdown defender. Our defense would suffocate you on the outside along with west and james we would have one of the top perimiter defenses in basketball. Also he has a ton of potential on the offensive end with a great first step and the ability to run the point he isnt a great passer but he is a smart player and makes good decisions. We would then have 2 GREAT finishers on this team rather than just lebron and with his explosiveness defenses wouldn't be able to all stack towards lebron because they would have to keep an eye on a cutting westbrook, with james premier passing ability. The last 2 playoff series we've lost were to this STOP lebron defense where all 5 guys were keeping track of him. Just a thought i am very high on this kid and think he could be similar to lebrons pippen

[Super Bad]

I love the idea of Russel Westbrook on the Cavs the guy is incredible. Not only is his D out of this world but has the potential to be great on offense. He can also play both guard positions. Get it done Ferry.

[Awoooga]

This is from NBADraft.net

Strengths: Athletic and explosive combo guard with the length to make up for his lack of height

[Awoooga]

This forum is hilarious. How do you plan on trading up for him? What player on the Cavs has value aside from Lebron that another team would be willing to trade a lottery pick for him? Ben Wallace?

[Hydroponic3385]

This forum is hilarious. How do you plan on trading up for him? What player on the Cavs has value aside from Lebron that another team would be willing to trade a lottery pick for him? Ben Wallace?

Right, cuz anyone on here besides the original poster said anything about it being realistic. The Cavs definitely have the assets to pull off a trade to get a near all-star caliber player (30 million in expirings, Varejao, Pavlovic if anyone wants him (Memphis coveted him last year), plus future picks) and MORE importantly...owner Dan Gilbert, even though his team is already 4th in salary in the league, has publicly stated he'll do whatever it takes for this franchise. He also said he doesn't want a "Pippen" for Lebron, he wants a "Ginobli and Parker." He is NOT afraid of spending money on a big-time free agent even if he has to double up cuz of luxury tax. So if anyone like a Jamison or or Jermaine O'Neal decides to say "f*ck it" and take less money to win a title with Lebron, then you better watch out. Either the Cavs do sign something like that, or we have more than enough space to sign Lebron to a max contract in 2010 ALONG WITH at least 1, if not 2, true all-star players around him. As of right now we have Lebron (and once they resign/get drafted...West, Gibson and our draft pick) as on the books in '10 and that's it.

And thanks for trolling on other people's boards.

[Kosar86]

Uh, in case anyone didnt watch the cavs this year, we need scoring not defense.

I'd love to get eric gordon.

[Awoooga]

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The Cavs definitely have the assets to pull off a trade to get a near all-star caliber player (30 million in expirings, Varejao, Pavlovic if anyone wants him (Memphis coveted him last year), plus future picks) and MORE importantly...owner Dan Gilbert, even though his team is already 4th in salary in the league, has publicly stated he'll do whatever it takes for this franchise.

So if anyone like a Jamison or or Jermaine O'Neal decides to say "f*ck it" and take less money to win a title with Lebron, then you better watch out. Either the Cavs do sign something like that, or we have more than enough space to sign Lebron to a max contract in 2010 ALONG WITH at least 1, if not 2, true all-star players around him. As of right now we have Lebron (and once they resign/get drafted...West, Gibson and our draft pick) as on the books in '10 and that's it.

HAHAHA, you call the guy who wanted to trade up for Westbrook unrealistic and you sit here and propose and more ridiculous move where two All-Stars sign with Cleveland in 2010

This is insane, no one is trading an all-star, or a fringe star, or a even a good player for Varejo, and expiring contracts.

Maybe an All-Star is going to sign with Cleveland to play with Lebron 1) that is in 2 years and 2) at that time it is way more likely that Lebron leaves Cleveland to to sign with a team prepared to make a serious run for the title.

[Benedict_Boozer]

So Awoooga you would prob laugh if someone told you the Grizzlies would trade Pau Gasol for Kwame Brown right?

You underestimate the value of expiring contracts in today's NBA

[calibanPK]

So Awoooga you would prob laugh if someone told you the Grizzlies would trade Pau Gasol for Kwame Brown right?

You underestimate the value of expiring contracts in today's NBA

Owned.

[Awoooga]

So Awoooga you would prob laugh if someone told you the Grizzlies would trade Pau Gasol for Kwame Brown right?

You underestimate the value of expiring contracts in today's NBA

You are dead right on the Gasol thing, but do you see another trade like that happening again? The grizzlies looked like idiots for making that trade, and perception will only get worse if the Lakers win the title. The Gasol trade will make it alot LESS likely that another trade like it will happen again.

[L&H_05]

True, but teams would kill to get under the cap...

Look at the Knicks for example.. And we have a NO KNICKS policy on this board.. We don't want to trade for any Knick players, so this is just an example..

That franchise is going nowhere.. There's no hope in sight for years to come.. They have no talented stars, no talented young players to build around and no sexy contracts to deal...They tank, they don't get a good spot in the lottery.. At best, they can hope to have Mayo slip, but he probably won't..

Their payroll is awful, and I imagine they would love to free themselves of some of those contracts.. You don't think if a team (not us) offered them some relief on their immediate cap future, they wouldn't jump at that chance ??

Please.. That team has no future or direction.. I think they would love the opportunity to start fresh...

[Benedict_Boozer]

The other thing the Cavs can do is help other teams with more assets facilitate a multi-team trade with their expiring contracts. Can pick up a draft pick or talented player that way as well.

Doesn't have to be a direct swap between 2 teams.

[Awoooga]

True, but teams would kill to get under the cap...

Look at the Knicks for example.. And we have a NO KNICKS policy on this board.. We don't want to trade for any Knick players, so this is just an example..

That franchise is going nowhere.. There's no hope in sight for years to come.. They have no talented stars, no talented young players to build around and no sexy contracts to deal...They tank, they don't get a good spot in the lottery.. At best, they can hope to have Mayo slip, but he probably won't..

Their payroll is awful, and I imagine they would love to free themselves of some of those contracts.. You don't think if a team (not us) offered them some relief on their immediate cap future, they wouldn't jump at that chance ??

Please.. That team has no future or direction.. I think they would love the opportunity to start fresh...

I don't think the Knicks are relevant to this conversation, seeing as you guys want to acquire a compliment to Lebron and you have a no Knicks policy which I think is hilarious. Beggars can't be choosers, if you want to get help for Lebron and have very little to offer teams I would listen to all offers.

If you want to hold out hope that some team will trade a good player to get under the cap, go for it but do not expect anything with unrealistic expectations. Your team will stay in its current state and go as far as Lebron will take them. That might mean to a championship but if you do not win in 2 years, he WILL leave being that you guys could not or would not improve the team.

I really like Lebron and I like watching him (and by association the Cavs) play. You guys have 2 years to show him you will make a serious attempt to winning a title, and even with that he is not guaranteed to stay. My point is that you should make a serious attempt to get better right now, or else in two years you guys will Lebron-less and back in the embarrassment of 2003.

[calibanPK]

That might mean to a championship but if you do not win in 2 years, he WILL leave being that you guys could not or would not improve the team.

Nostradamus?

[L&H_05]

I don't think the Knicks are relevant to this conversation, seeing as you guys want to acquire a compliment to Lebron and you have a no Knicks policy which I think is hilarious. Beggars can't be choosers, if you want to get help for Lebron and have very little to offer teams I would listen to all offers.

If you want to hold out hope that some team will trade a good player to get under the cap, go for it but do not expect anything with unrealistic expectations. Your team will stay in its current state and go as far as Lebron will take them. That might mean to a championship but if you do not win in 2 years, he WILL leave being that you guys could not or would not improve the team.

I really like Lebron and I like watching him (and by association the Cavs) play. You guys have 2 years to show him you will make a serious attempt to winning a title, and even with that he is not guaranteed to stay. My point is that you should make a serious attempt to get better right now, or else in two years you guys will Lebron-less and back in the embarrassment of 2003.

I was using the Knicks as an example of a team that would like to get under the cap and shed some of their contracts because they're going nowhere as is... Like the Grizzlies last year.. Then again, nobody wants their talent since they don't have any, but just an example of a team that would love to get their hands on expiring contracts to untangle their mess...

Look, if LBJ was going to roll out, I think it wouldn't matter what the Cavs look like to be honest.. He's only going to one spot, and that would be the Nets... People refer to BIG MARKETS, but the fact is, no players outside of Shaq have relocated to a BIG MARKET... So, I don't think there's a shot that LBJ leaves for the Lakers, Knicks or Bulls... In fact, I guarantee he doesn't go to either of those 3... And we all know he's not relocating to a Miami or Orlando or San Antonio or New Orleans etc...

So the only team that has a legit chance is the Nets.. And I think regardless of the situations, LBJ at some point will already have his mind made up to be honest...If he leaves to play for the Nets, it won't matter where the teams stand.. Cause if it comes down to talent, and ready to compete for a championship ?? the Cavs should have a much better chance at that point than the Nets to be championship contenders..

[Awoooga]

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Nostradamus?

lol. Your not contributing anything intelligent. Block List here you come.

[Awoooga]

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I was using the Knicks as an example of a team that would like to get under the cap and shed some of their contracts because they're going nowhere as is... Like the Grizzlies last year.. Then again, nobody wants their talent since they don't have any, but just an example of a team that would love to get their hands on expiring contracts to untangle their mess...

Look, if LBJ was going to roll out, I think it wouldn't matter what the Cavs look like to be honest.. He's only going to one spot, and that would be the Nets... People refer to BIG MARKETS, but the fact is, no players outside of Shaq have relocated to a BIG MARKET... So, I don't think there's a shot that LBJ leaves for the Lakers, Knicks or Bulls... In fact, I guarantee he doesn't go to either of those 3... And we all know he's not relocating to a Miami or Orlando or San Antonio or New Orleans etc...

So the only team that has a legit chance is the Nets.. And I think regardless of the situations, LBJ at some point will already have his mind made up to be honest...If he leaves to play for the Nets, it won't matter where the teams stand.. Cause if it comes down to talent, and ready to compete for a championship ?? the Cavs should have a much better chance at that point than the Nets to be championship contenders..

I see where your coming from, but if I were you I would not risk my franchise player leaving. I understand you guys want to improve the team but trades for guys like Brand are not happening given the make up of your roster. If you want to hold out hope that one day another team will repeat the mistake of memphis and trade their best player for an expiring than best of luck to you.

[eyejayem]

I would only consider taking Randolf if under these conditions:

Zach Randolf
#6

for

Ben Wallace
#19

(If they want a current expiring, then I want Balkman,Lee,or Chandler added or we keep our #19)


After that taking Westbrook at #6 looks like too much so I would see if we can move down and since Portland is stated they are looking into moving the pick or consolidating their four picks I would:

#6
fillers or future 2nds

for

#13
+ Matrell Webster(1st),Channing Frye(2nd), Travis Outlaw(3rd), Jarrett Jack(4th), or 2 of the 3 picks in the 2nd rd(5th)

If we get the two 2nd rders I would try and jump into the 1st rd.

If we really dont like Randolf Philly was stated they are interested in pairing him up with Dalembert and that way with their cap we can get a trade exemption of whatever the difference would be. So we can technically give him up for cheap and just get a young or pick in the process.

[Awoooga]

I would only consider taking Randolf if under these conditions:

Zach Randolf
#6

for

Ben Wallace
#19

LOL. The Knicks are not trading the 6th pick in the draft to get rid of Randolph and take on a horrible contract and washed up Ben Wallace.

[kiwibrindle]

To everyone's points above.

I believe the one thing we should stick with regarding the Knicks is the no knicks policy. The no Knicks policy has to remain in effect for the following main reason:

The Knicks are screwed on the cap issue. Therefore, as long as they remain screwed, they are less likely to attract Lebron.

Therefore leave them be.