Better Future: Bulls vs. Blazers

[Jack wore plaid]

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I have to say Noah is easily better then whatever the Blazers have at C if you take out Oden.

But also, Oden will likely have a much bigger impact then Rose. Not that I think Rose won't have a huge impact, Oden can just be that good.

Defensively Przybilla is better than Noah

Aldridge would be better than Noah, and Outlaw would still be better than anything Chicago has at the 4

Frye might even be better than Noah judging by his stats as a starter when Przybilla went down late in the year

[CBS7]

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Defensively Przybilla is better than Noah

Aldridge would be better than Noah, and Outlaw would still be better than anything Chicago has at the 4

Frye might even be better than Noah judging by his stats as a starter when Przybilla went down late in the year

Oh please. So Przbilla > Noah, Frye > Noah, Outlaw > Tyrus, Gooden?

We're talking about the future, so Przybilla, who'll be 29 at the start of the season, doesn't count.

I'd take Tyrus playing the 4 over Outlaw playing the 4 easily. This guy is going to have a big season if the Bulls draft Rose. Outlaw is definitely more of an SF anyways.

Frye's stats as a starter

10.2 ppg 5.6 rpg 1.1 apg 0.6 spg 0.4 bpg 57.1 FG% 59.3 FT% 23.2 mpg 20 games

Noah's stats as a starter

9.3 ppg 7.2 rpg 1.4 apg 1.2 spg 1.2 bpg 51.2 FG% 74.8 FT% 28.3 mpg 31 games

including 11/7/2/1.6/1.7 in 9 April games. And he was a rookie. You're comparing him to guys that have 3 and 8 years of experience.

Tyrus also put up 13/7/2/0.9/1.6 when in April when he finally started getting consistent PT after Gooden went out with an injury.

[Wizenheimer]

I'm a blazer fan, and undoubtedly a homer, so I'd say portland has the edge.

If Oden is as advertised, he'll have a huge impact over time. On the other hand, if Chicago takes Rose and he reaches Paul potential, we've all seen what Paul has done for NO.

I'd say portland has a little better roster balance right now, and the chance for major cap-space next summer.

One factor that hasn't been mentioned and I'd say Portland has a substantial edge there: Kevin Pritchard > John Paxson.

[CBS7]

Anyways, I haven't really seen anyone in this thread say the Bulls have the better future as of now.

[jax98]

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Defensively Przybilla is better than Noah

Aldridge would be better than Noah, and Outlaw would still be better than anything Chicago has at the 4

Frye might even be better than Noah judging by his stats as a starter when Przybilla went down late in the year

That is absolutely ridiculous.

Aldridge is the only one you could argue is better than Noah presently. Outlaw, Przybilla & Frye are not at Noah's level at all. Watch Bulls games where Noah receives quality minutes, and you'll see a very good defender who has tons of defensive potential yet to be tapped.

I still go with the Blazers. At least right now. Brandon Roy just turned a leaf this season and became a huge player. IMO, he's going to be more important that Oden.

[AZ BLAZER]

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Defensively Przybilla is better than Noah

Aldridge would be better than Noah, and Outlaw would still be better than anything Chicago has at the 4

Frye might even be better than Noah judging by his stats as a starter when Przybilla went down late in the year

Oh please. So Przbilla > Noah, Frye > Noah, Outlaw > Tyrus, Gooden?

We're talking about the future, so Przybilla, who'll be 29 at the start of the season, doesn't count.

I'd take Tyrus playing the 4 over Outlaw playing the 4 easily. This guy is going to have a big season if the Bulls draft Rose. Outlaw is definitely more of an SF anyways.

Frye's stats as a starter

10.2 ppg 5.6 rpg 1.1 apg 0.6 spg 0.4 bpg 57.1 FG% 59.3 FT% 23.2 mpg 20 games

Noah's stats as a starter

9.3 ppg 7.2 rpg 1.4 apg 1.2 spg 1.2 bpg 51.2 FG% 74.8 FT% 28.3 mpg 31 games

including 11/7/2/1.6/1.7 in 9 April games. And he was a rookie. You're comparing him to guys that have 3 and 8 years of experience.

Tyrus also put up 13/7/2/0.9/1.6 when in April when he finally started getting consistent PT after Gooden went out with an injury.

These are the same comparisons T-Wolves fans throw at us when trying to make themselves feel better about the Roy/Foye trade. You also forgot to post how many games Noah actually started.

I noticed that you gave us the April stats for both Tyrus and Noah, but not for Frye. Why was that. You know in the five games he started in April when Pryz broke his hand he put up 16/10, right? Sure, he has played three seasons, but when starting a thread like this posters have to be willing to compare everything. In another thread Chicago fans are already putting Beasley in the Hall of Fame and letting us know that it is silly to even consider Aldridge as his equal despite Beasley never even playing an NBA game.

[CellarDoor]

Reading if fundamental AZ...read the last in Noah's stat line "as a starter"...
by the way, if you watched the bulls run an offensive set, it's a wonder that tyrus found a basketball when that rat Boylan put him in the game.

And yes...Frye's last 5 games were nice, but they're not more important than his 20 as a starter which oh by the way, include those five games. In statistics the larger sample size indicates a more accurate average.

Last thought: Frye doesn't belong near the C position for any extended period of time.
Last last thought: Blazer future still > Bulls presently.

[CBS7]

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These are the same comparisons T-Wolves fans throw at us when trying to make themselves feel better about the Roy/Foye trade. You also forgot to post how many games Noah actually started.

I did not once compare Tyrus Thomas and Lamarcus Aldridge. And I did put how many games Noah started.

Noah's stats as a starter

9.3 ppg 7.2 rpg 1.4 apg 1.2 spg 1.2 bpg 51.2 FG% 74.8 FT% 28.3 mpg 31 games

Thats more then Frye's 20 games.

I noticed that you gave us the April stats for both Tyrus and Noah, but not for Frye. Why was that. You know in the five games he started in April when Pryz broke his hand he put up 16/10, right?

Thats five games. Its not meaningless but its a very small sample size. Anyways, the poster I was replying to said Frye might be better then Noah, and mentioned Frye's impressive stats as a starter, so I posted them both. I did not know about Frye's impressive run to end the season, but Noah had some impressive 5 game stretches as well.

Frye put up 12/8/1/1/0.2 blocks in April. Better? Those starts aren't vastly better to Noah's and are inferior to TT's.

And if you're trying to argue that Frye is better then Noah, I totally disagree, and IMO most people would.

Sure, he has played three seasons, but when starting a thread like this posters have to be willing to compare everything. In another thread Chicago fans are already putting Beasley in the Hall of Fame and letting us know that it is silly to even consider Aldridge as his equal despite Beasley never even playing an NBA game.

Please. "Bulls fans"? One guy said Beasley was better, another said coming out of college Beasley is a much better prospect then Aldridge was, which is completely true. That really has nothing to do with this though. Way to exaggerate your claim. No one said Beasley is a hall of famer.

Its about trade value anyways.

[andyhop]

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These are the same comparisons T-Wolves fans throw at us when trying to make themselves feel better about the Roy/Foye trade. You also forgot to post how many games Noah actually started.

I noticed that you gave us the April stats for both Tyrus and Noah, but not for Frye. Why was that. You know in the five games he started in April when Pryz broke his hand he put up 16/10, right? Sure, he has played three seasons, but when starting a thread like this posters have to be willing to compare everything. In another thread Chicago fans are already putting Beasley in the Hall of Fame and letting us know that it is silly to even consider Aldridge as his equal despite Beasley never even playing an NBA game.

The only reason that anyone is considering the Blazers as a potential championship winning team in the future is because they assume Oden ,a guy who hasn't played a game in the NBA yet, is going to be a stud so I find this reasoning from a Blazer fan kind of funny.

[Charlie78]

Maybe its because oden dominated two lottery picks in the championship game. Oden is going to be a good player period anyone who says he is not going to pan out is a hater plain and simple. He may not end up being the greatest center of all time but he is going to be a very good center. He is twice the player that noah is and its funny to me to even compare the two considering how he used noah like a rag doll in the championship game.

[CBS7]

Well, no one compared them.

[farzi]

Stop the bickering

[NO-KG-AI]

Blazers not only win on pure talent IMO, but also on fit... Oden/aldridge is a perfect fit in the front court, and they have a versatile wing who can be the initiator and closer....sick.

[Malinhion]

Maybe its because oden dominated two lottery picks in the championship game. Oden is going to be a good player period anyone who says he is not going to pan out is a hater plain and simple. He may not end up being the greatest center of all time but he is going to be a very good center. He is twice the player that noah is and its funny to me to even compare the two considering how he used noah like a rag doll in the championship game.

Did you even watch that game?

Billy Donovan knew that the Buckeyes could only win if Conley and Cook got hot from the perimeter. They decided to open up the interior and shut those guys down. They did it at the expense of letting Oden get whatever he wanted, but the Gators knew one guy couldn't beat such a well-balanced team. Oden was single-covered all game but the Buckeyes doubled up on the Gaotr bigs.

[NO-KG-AI]

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Did you even watch that game?

Billy Donovan knew that the Buckeyes could only win if Conley and Cook got hot from the perimeter. They decided to open up the interior and shut those guys down. They did it at the expense of letting Oden get whatever he wanted, but the Gators knew one guy couldn't beat such a well-balanced team. Oden was single-covered all game but the Buckeyes doubled up on the Gaotr bigs.

I remember that game, Oden dropped 25/12 with 4 blocks, and had Florida's entire frontline in foul trouble, and turned Horford into a jumpshooter who couldn't get anything he wanted, and took Noah out of the game completely.

He completely stifled two guys that were far more experienced and jumped straight into the NBA and made impacts, Horford being really effective.

He was clearly the best player on the floor, Florida won because they defended the 3 tremendously, and were draining theirs.

Still, the thing that will always stand out most about that performance was how easily he overpowered Horford. That's a strong man, and Oden at 19 and about 250 was just moving him to wherever he wanted.

[Red Robot]

Thomas, Noah, and Frye all had similar stats last year. I don't buy the "as a starter" nonsense; if you suck coming off the bench then that should be held against you. Noah was a rookie and Tyrus is really young, so they can be expected to improve more than Frye. But as of last season it was even between the three. The plus/minus numbers are pretty even too.

[Malinhion]

Dude, are you really still trying to compare them to Channing Frye!?!!

He's played over 200 NBA games and he can't outplay rookies!

[Red Robot]

Dude, are you really still trying to compare them to Channing Frye!?!!

He's played over 200 NBA games and he can't outplay rookies!

What specifically did I say that you disagree with?