are gm's more important then coaches?

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Post#21 » by Boss_ » Fri May 23, 2008 7:05 am

Yes..would Phil Jackson Sloan or Pop be able to turn the Knicks into a winning team if Isiah is gm?

No. Its all about the gm.
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Post#22 » by Bizz » Fri May 23, 2008 10:24 am

He11 No. Ok first of I'm from Europe, but a big NBA fan and I always debate that the choaches are so underrated in the NBA. In Europe teams select the choach and then build a team that suits their style of play, here it's the other way around. But still in the West you have many good choaches and that is why teams are better. To people that say ECF teams both have3 bad choaches, but are successful, wait until the finals. In my opinion Detroit will reach it just because Flip is a better choach than Doc.

Just think like this; When was the last time that a bad or average choach won the championship? If I go as far as my memory goes it was Pop, Reily, Larry Brown, Phil Jackson, Rudy T and Chuck Daly. That is not a bad list to be on.

Sure you can have success with great GM and a bad choach, but you will never win the title.
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Post#23 » by Frosty » Fri May 23, 2008 1:33 pm

I think being a GM is more about luck then anything. These days you have little flexibility due to cap limitations and free agency restrictions.

Most of the "good" gm's got lucky with either picks or players working out.

Put all the talent you want in front of a bad coach and the results won't be great. I think Boston should win it all yet I expect they won't because of Doc Rivers. There's no reason Denver shouldn't be better except for Karl.

I rarely see a team without a top coach doing well in the playoffs.
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Post#24 » by NO-KG-AI » Fri May 23, 2008 2:01 pm

Frosty wrote:I think being a GM is more about luck then anything. These days you have little flexibility due to cap limitations and free agency restrictions.

Most of the "good" gm's got lucky with either picks or players working out.

Put all the talent you want in front of a bad coach and the results won't be great. I think Boston should win it all yet I expect they won't because of Doc Rivers. There's no reason Denver shouldn't be better except for Karl.

I rarely see a team without a top coach doing well in the playoffs.


And you won't see a team without good players IN the playoffs.
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Post#25 » by Malinhion » Fri May 23, 2008 2:51 pm

Frosty wrote:I think being a GM is more about luck then anything. These days you have little flexibility due to cap limitations and free agency restrictions.

Most of the "good" gm's got lucky with either picks or players working out.

Put all the talent you want in front of a bad coach and the results won't be great. I think Boston should win it all yet I expect they won't because of Doc Rivers. There's no reason Denver shouldn't be better except for Karl.

I rarely see a team without a top coach doing well in the playoffs.


Good GMs don't get lucky. You make your own luck. If you have players who are getting paid their value, you keep them happy but tradable assets. If you get good draft picks, they are producing well while still on rookie scale deals. If you make good trades, you get lotto picks on years that you make the playoffs. When that superstar becomes available you'll have the assets to make a run at him. Or you'll plan ahead to have cap space open on years with a lot of talented free agents (see Riley's comments yesterday).

Bad GMs will give Rashard Lewis $127million, and then they won't be able to "get lucky" over the 7-year duration of the contract.
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Post#26 » by Dtown84 » Fri May 23, 2008 3:03 pm

Bizz wrote:He11 No. Ok first of I'm from Europe, but a big NBA fan and I always debate that the choaches are so underrated in the NBA. In Europe teams select the choach and then build a team that suits their style of play, here it's the other way around. But still in the West you have many good choaches and that is why teams are better. To people that say ECF teams both have3 bad choaches, but are successful, wait until the finals. In my opinion Detroit will reach it just because Flip is a better choach than Doc.

Just think like this; When was the last time that a bad or average choach won the championship? If I go as far as my memory goes it was Pop, Reily, Larry Brown, Phil Jackson, Rudy T and Chuck Daly. That is not a bad list to be on.

Sure you can have success with great GM and a bad choach, but you will never win the title.



But how many teams even make it as far as the playoffs with what is considered a bad GM, they don't. Granted its a bit of a catch 22 since if your team has reached the conference finals, the gm is going to be considered good regardless. :P

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