Manu Ginobili Is Overrated

Mad Balla 15 · Post #1 » by **Mad Balla 15** » Fri May 23, 2008 4:59 pm

Manu Ginobili is one of the most overrated players in the league, by far. Is he a good player? Yes. There's no doubt that he's a good player but the amount of credit he gets from the media and from people is ridiculous. This guy plays with one of the best players in the league and of this era of basketball as well as a top tier PG. Are you to tell me that if you put a different 2nd tier SG on that team that they wouldn't be winning championships? If you put someone like Pierce, Iverson, Vince etc. am I to really believe the Spurs wouldn't have won any of those championships that they've won since Manu has been on the team? In fact I bet a lot of people including myself would believe that they would actually be able to repeat one year if they had someone like Pierce, Iverson, Vince instead of Manu.

Also, people need to calm down with proclaiming that if Manu had his own team that he would average 25+ points per game. As I said before, Manu has the luxury of playing with one of the best players in the game (a big man at that) as well as a top tier PG who take a lot of pressure of him. If he had his own team he would realize what it's like to try to carry a team on his shoulders. He would have to face constant double teams as well as teams planning their defense to stop him, which isn't the case right now.

I'm not saying Manu isn't a good player, he is a good player but he is certainly overrated big time.

Patterns · Post #2 » by **Patterns** » Fri May 23, 2008 5:00 pm

You're gonna jynx the Lakers and Manu is going to have a great game.

theTHIEF · Post #3 » by **theTHIEF** » Fri May 23, 2008 5:02 pm

hell no...

Malinhion · Post #4 » by **Malinhion** » Fri May 23, 2008 5:02 pm

People tout him as one of the league's premier SGs.

Over the course of a season, he's never broken 20 PPG, 5 RPG, 5 APG, or 2 SPG. These are statistical benchmarks that I expect from great shooting guards.

They say he has so much energy but he plays ten fewer minutes than shooting guards who really have to carry their teams. Stick Joe Johnson, Mike Redd, Paul Pierce, Ray Allen, Vince Carter, Gilbert Arenas, Dwyane Wade, or Tracy McGrady on that team and I bet they look like they have 10x the energy of Gino. And maybe they can actually repeat one year.

Ginobili is about as good as Kevin Martin...but not for long.

Andrew Bynasty · Post #5 » by **Andrew Bynasty** » Fri May 23, 2008 5:04 pm

He's a great player... But I agree, he's overrated.

Especially when people say that he has the same impact for the Spurs as Kobe has for the Lakers... (And I've heard multiple Spurs fans say this)

celticfan42487 · Post #6 » by **celticfan42487** » Fri May 23, 2008 5:05 pm

Andrew Bynasty wrote:He's a great player... But I agree, he's overrated.

Especially when people say that he has the same impact for the Spurs as Kobe has for the Lakers... (And I've heard multiple Spurs fans say this)

impact or role? At times Gino plays like Kobe for the Spurs offense. Just at times thought.

If it's he's an all-star player then he's not overrated.

If it's he's the best SG after Kobe then yeah he prob is.

Either way I hate him.

Andrew Bynasty · Post #7 » by **Andrew Bynasty** » Fri May 23, 2008 5:07 pm

No... They've said impact. Which is absurd.

No one impacts a game more than Kobe... No one.

Coaches design defenses entirely around defending Kobe... Ginobli doesnt even have the most impact on his own team.

halfHAVOC · Post #8 » by **halfHAVOC** » Fri May 23, 2008 5:09 pm

Andrew Bynasty wrote:No... They've said impact. Which is absurd.

No one impacts a game more than Kobe... No one.

Coaches design defenses entirely around defending Kobe... Ginobli doesnt even have the most impact on his own team.

yea well thats hard when ur playin with the greatest power forward of all time.

Milan24 · Post #9 » by **Milan24** » Fri May 23, 2008 5:11 pm

halfHAVOC wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

yea well thats hard when ur playin with the greatest power forward of all time.

This is exactly the point in regards to Ginobli's impact.

Alex_De_Large · Post #10 » by **Alex_De_Large** » Fri May 23, 2008 5:13 pm

say the best 6th man in the league is a superstar is beyond me, something really crazy.
he is overrated if you think he is in the same league as SUPERstars like vince carter, dwyane wade, tracy mcgrady or joe johnson.

Philly Fresh · Post #11 » by **Philly Fresh** » Fri May 23, 2008 5:14 pm

Remember that last thread, Greatest SG's of this decade? A lot of people put Manu in their top 5..come on, he's only been a common name in the league for 2-3 years. He feeds off Duncan, and is even more pressure is taken off playing along side Tony Parker. He's a good player, but nothing special.

Andrew Bynasty · Post #12 » by **Andrew Bynasty** » Fri May 23, 2008 5:15 pm

snaquille oatmeal wrote:when Manu is healthy his impact on any particular game is just as great as Kobes impact.

Magz50 wrote:or have the bball knowledge to understand how Manu's impact on the Spurs is similar to Kobe's impact for the lakers in the playoffs.

scootfu602 wrote:Congrats to Manu. Lakers fans will hate me for this, but Manu is Kobe level talent. He deserves more MVP consideration...That I said, I still hate him.....against the Suns.

It took me about 3 minutes to find quotes like those...
And Im sure theres plenty more.

Basileus777 · Post #13 » by **Basileus777** » Fri May 23, 2008 5:16 pm

Cosign. Manu is a good player, but you can't compare him to number 1 options that see double teams all the time. And you can't project his minutes like some do, Ginobili is a high energy player that isn't physically capable of playing 37-40 minutes a game. He gets worn down enough playing 30 a game as a 3rd option.

He isn't consistent enough to be a number 1 option on a good team. And I truly beleive that he would lead the league in turnovers as a first option.

Malinhion · Post #14 » by **Malinhion** » Fri May 23, 2008 5:16 pm

Manu Ginobili has got to be one of the most overrated guards in the history of the game, at this juncture. It's not the fact that he gets by with sloppy play on both ends by flopping everywhere. Even the greats will flop to get calls. It's that the rest of his game won't elevate him to greatness.

People will always tout the energy that Manu brings to the Spurs. What about the fact that he plays less than 28 minutes per game and has come off the bench for more than half of the games in his career (IIRC)? If the true elite shooting guards played ten fewer minutes per contest, it would look like they had an infinitely larger amount of energy than other players at the same position. But a lot of these guys are spending the time carrying the load for their squad.

Manu gets credit for riding on the coattails of Duncan. People always renounced Wade's numbers alongside Shaq, but they seem to argue that Manu helps an aging Duncan, not the other way around. This is hypocrisy. Clearly, on one hand we have a superstar and on the other we have a roleplayer.

Look an Manu's numbers. Sure, he's a great contributor on a great playoff team. But he's never been the best on that team in the playoffs or Finals. The one finals MVP that didn't go Duncan's way went to Parker, who is clearly more important. Manu has never averaged more than 20 points per game. He has never broken five assists, or five rebounds, or two steals. What makes him so elite? These are things we should expect from a star shooting guard. At least once every few years.

If Manu was making the money that all the other, more talented SGs do, then he would be massively less impressive. People used to love Rashard Lewis because he was a solid player with a likable game that never got much credit. But it was his small contract that made him so easy to like. Now that he's hamstrung a team's cap room for the next decade, nobody really likes him that much any more.

I bet the same would be true if Manu were making the money of a Joe Johnson or a Michael Redd. Players with much bigger contracts, because they have bigger roles with roughly equal levels of talent. Put Vince Carter or Paul Pierce in that role on the Spurs and I bet they have the guts to actually repeat one year.

Typed this up recently on the PC board. Figured it was appropriate, since it pretty much expresses my sentiments on the matter.

Optimus_Steel · Post #15 » by **Optimus_Steel** » Fri May 23, 2008 5:18 pm

Why are people hating on Manu? The guy is a heck of a player and winner in every level of competition he has been in.

tracey_nice · Post #16 » by **tracey_nice** » Fri May 23, 2008 5:20 pm

Mad Balla 15 wrote:Manu Ginobili is one of the most overrated players in the league, by far. Is he a good player? Yes. There's no doubt that he's a good player but the amount of credit he gets from the media and from people is ridiculous. This guy plays with one of the best players in the league and of this era of basketball as well as a top tier PG. Are you to tell me that if you put a different 2nd tier SG on that team that they wouldn't be winning championships? If you put someone like Pierce, Iverson, Vince etc. am I to really believe the Spurs wouldn't have won any of those championships that they've won since Manu has been on the team? In fact I bet a lot of people including myself would believe that they would actually be able to repeat one year if they had someone like Pierce, Iverson, Vince instead of Manu.

Also, people need to calm down with proclaiming that if Manu had his own team that he would average 25+ points per game. As I said before, Manu has the luxury of playing with one of the best players in the game (a big man at that) as well as a top tier PG who take a lot of pressure of him. If he had his own team he would realize what it's like to try to carry a team on his shoulders. He would have to face constant double teams as well as teams planning their defense to stop him, which isn't the case right now.

I'm not saying Manu isn't a good player, he is a good player but he is certainly overrated big time.

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Andrew Bynasty · Post #17 » by **Andrew Bynasty** » Fri May 23, 2008 5:23 pm

snaquille oatmeal wrote:when Manu is healthy his impact on any particular game is just as great as Kobes impact.

Magz50 wrote:or have the bball knowledge to understand how Manu's impact on the Spurs is similar to Kobe's impact for the lakers in the playoffs.

scootfu602 wrote:Congrats to Manu. Lakers fans will hate me for this, but Manu is Kobe level talent. He deserves more MVP consideration...That I said, I still hate him.....against the Suns.

goat:manu wrote:1. manu
2. kobe
3. wade

goat:manu wrote:MANU was the reason spurs won the last 3 rings. Since the day one, this guy began to play the bball, he was the biggest winner in the history of the bball (which include NBA league).

Storm Surge wrote:However, if I am an established team wanting to take it to the next level I would take Manu over Kobe.

Basileus777 · Post #18 » by **Basileus777** » Fri May 23, 2008 5:23 pm

prorl wrote:Why are people hating on Manu? The guy is a heck of a player and winner in every level of competition he has been in.

Because people seem to think he is an elite player. There are people on this board that think he is the 2nd best sg in the league, that he is better than players like McGrady, Pierce, and even Wade. Manu is a good player, but he's criminally overrated at this point.

magicfan4life05 · Post #19 » by **magicfan4life05** » Fri May 23, 2008 5:24 pm

I think he's getting older, and with the long basketball seasons he's had over the years (long playoff runs, Olympics) it's taking a toll on his body and his body is not as fresh as it used to be, meaning he needs more time between games to fully rest. just imo

hermes · Post #20 » by **hermes** » Fri May 23, 2008 6:11 pm

Philly Fresh wrote:Remember that last thread, Greatest SG's of this decade? A lot of people put Manu in their top 5..come on, he's only been a common name in the league for 2-3 years. He feeds off Duncan, and is even more pressure is taken off playing along side Tony Parker. He's a good player, but nothing special.

agreed, manu is a really good player, at some times great but he hasn't done it enough to deserve some of the media's praise