What pick could Bogut nab if on the block?

ahagen87 · Post #21 » by **ahagen87** » Sat May 10, 2008 9:08 pm

mr.ankle wrote:I still can not believe the bucks pick Bogut over Chris Paul

hind sight is 20/20 thats why..everyone looks back and wishes they would have taken paul but the thing is if you look at our roster come that draft we had tj ford and an up incoming mo williams so pg really wasn't a need so that was the smart and right pick at the time

bayrdbandit · Post #22 » by **bayrdbandit** » Fri May 23, 2008 11:33 pm

mr.ankle wrote:I still can not believe the bucks pick Bogut over Chris Paul

and in 1996 the warriors picked todd fuller over steve nash and kobe bryant....

time to move on.

GJense4181 · Post #23 » by **GJense4181** » Sat May 24, 2008 1:16 am

23 year old Andrew Bogut > 20 year old Brook Lopez.
There is NO guarantee that, in three years, Brook Lopez will be better than Bogut is now. I don't have any faith that Lopez will be as good as Bogut is now, EVER. I project a Chris Mihm meets Jeff Foster sort of career for Lopez. I simply don't see what the big deal is about him.

Bogut would go third, if, at his age, he were to enter the draft. He would probably warrant that pick or higher, since he's a known commodity.

cdash · Post #24 » by **cdash** » Sat May 24, 2008 1:25 am

The third pick or higher? Now? Yeah, I bet. Lets see...whos in the market for a 23 year old, flatlined center due for a fat extension? Would you rather have Bogut at $10 million+per year or Mayo on his rookie salary?

I dont see the "Mihm meets Foster" comparison with Lopez. To me, it looks like you just picked out two white centers and called it a day. Lopez has no Jeff Foster in him other than the fact that they are both white. Now...Robin Lopez, he is like Jeff Foster. Brook has a very good offensive game. If we were comparing him to white centers, I'd say a more appropriate comparison would probably be Chris Kaman.

andyhop · Post #25 » by **andyhop** » Sat May 24, 2008 1:47 am

GJense4181 wrote:23 year old Andrew Bogut > 20 year old Brook Lopez.
There is NO guarantee that, in three years, Brook Lopez will be better than Bogut is now. I don't have any faith that Lopez will be as good as Bogut is now, EVER. I project a Chris Mihm meets Jeff Foster sort of career for Lopez. I simply don't see what the big deal is about him.

Bogut would go third, if, at his age, he were to enter the draft. He would probably warrant that pick or higher, since he's a known commodity.

No way would Bogut warrant a pick higher than 3.

The fact that he is a known quantity helps and hurts him.It helps because you know what you will get a bit of scoring, some rebounding and below average defense and it hurts him because you know what you will get which is a starting centre in a league desperately short of them but who isn't a difference maker to a team.

It depends on whether you are prepared to settle for the mundane safety of someone or whether you will take a chance on picking someone who can be a difference maker with the downside of that player amounting to nothing.

GJense4181 · Post #26 » by **GJense4181** » Sat May 24, 2008 2:32 am

cdash wrote:The third pick or higher? Now? Yeah, I bet. Lets see...whos in the market for a 23 year old, flatlined center due for a fat extension? Would you rather have Bogut at $10 million+per year or Mayo on his rookie salary?

I dont see the "Mihm meets Foster" comparison with Lopez. To me, it looks like you just picked out two white centers and called it a day. Lopez has no Jeff Foster in him other than the fact that they are both white. Now...Robin Lopez, he is like Jeff Foster. Brook has a very good offensive game. If we were comparing him to white centers, I'd say a more appropriate comparison would probably be Chris Kaman.

http://www.nbadraft.net/admincp/profile ... lopez.html
http://www.nbadraft.net/profiles/chrismihm.htm
It's not just me. They are both compared to Brad effing Daugherty. While NBAdraft.net is not great at their mock drafts, their player analyses are usually adequate.
I picture him to be the two players *combined*. He will have roughly the same offensive game as Chris Mihm-sans multiple injuries and with an actual opportunity to excel-with the tenacity and rebounding talent of Jeff Foster.

Should I think that you, for pulling the stereotype card on me, are a douchebag, or a ****?

and you're right! Every player that seeks an extension should be shunned! Competent bigmen, who commonly command a salary of 10million+, should be phased out!

Foolish.

cdash · Post #27 » by **cdash** » Sat May 24, 2008 3:13 am

I dont see his tenacity or rebounding talent on par with Foster. Robin Lopez does the Foster things, like I said earlier. Brook will be a volume scorer and a decent enough rebounder I'd imagine.

I'm afraid I dont understand what you mean when you say I pulled the "stereotype card" on you. You did compare him to two white centers who really do opposite things. I do think that Kaman is a better comparison for Lopez, whether he is white, black, or purple. Relax.

One more thing I dont understand is: At which point did I say that every player seeking an extension should be shunned? Sorry, but if you gave me the choice between Bogut at $10 million+ per year or someone like Lopez or Mayo on their rookie salary, I would take the young guy with upside on his rookie salary. Somehow, I dont think I am alone in that thought process either.