The lowdown, this comes from Seattle 8pm Philly time May 23

[is1531]

Upon listening to a Seattle sports show last night, the beat writer was interviewed with respect to what the Sonics would do with all their draft picks. The writer stated , he did not expect the Sonics to keep all their picks. Before I go any further, remember the Sonics have extra ist round picks in 2009 and 2010. The writer expects Wilcox and Ridnaur to be packaged. I 'll take Wilcox, but I pass on Luke. I also pass on Watson.

In my opinion, if Seattle hypothetically wanted Iggy for the 4th pick, I would say no. However, if they include Wilcox in the deal and the 76ers retain Miller I would think about it. We get a good PF in Wilcox and the 4th pick, then trade the 4th pick to NJ for 10 and 20. Now the 76ers would have picks 10, 16 and 20. You draft Speights, Augistine and Roberts. Then the 76ers buy an a pick in round 2 and draft Shan Foster.

Now the 76ers have size and they would have a great bench. Ride on 76ers!

[freshie2]

Does anyone have any highlights of Shan Foster?

[is1531]

Does anyone have any highlights of Shan Foster?

It's all over this website I put it on the thread called Part 2 Shan Foster Express. You can see all the highlight films form Shan Foster on this Vanderbuilt website. I pasted the website for you on the thread called part 2 Shan Foster express. Sit back and enjoy it. You will not be disappointed.

[eyeatoma]

then trade the 4th pick to NJ for 10 and 20. Now the 76ers would have picks 10, 16 and 20.

Ok thats unnecessary...

Why don't you just take the 4th pick and the 16th??? Theres a huge drop off between 4 and 10...We could potentially get Mayo/Gordon/Bayless/Jordan with the 4th...Why would we trade that, especially when we're losing our best player in Iggy?

[tk76]

I don't understand why if you are going so young why it would be important to retain Miller. By the time Young and the draft picks are peaking Miller will be oput of the league.

Miller does help players develop, but I doubt he would stay after this year if the Sixers decided to go even younger.

I do agree that Wilcox is intriguing. At 25, and with decent athleticism and a good post game he seems like a good fit. But I have heard he wants a big payday next year.

[tk76]

Wilcox: http://youtube.com/watch?v=LANcTB21mVA

Seems like a good athlete. I don't know about his D, but he has the size and post game, and should fit nicely next to Sam.

http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Chr ... 856/stats/

http://www.82games.com/0708/07SEA15A.HTM

[is1531]

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Ok thats unnecessary...

Why don't you just take the 4th pick and the 16th??? Theres a huge drop off between 4 and 10...We could potentially get Mayo/Gordon/Bayless/Jordan with the 4th...Why would we trade that, especially when we're losing our best player in Iggy?

I think the trades that I have proposed touches all bases. The 76ers are a long way from contention. The 76ers need scoring, size and depth. These trades leave the 76ers with no holes. Wilcox could give the 76ers 10 minutes a game at center, with Speights and Thad. I gave you two big off guards with Roberts and Foster. It gave us a young PG with Dj Augustine.

Iggy is a good player who plays very good defense. He is also undersized. If the 76ers were 1 player away from contention, then I can see keeping the pick. I really believe that these trades revitalizes this franchise for the future and will bring people to the games right away.


Here is the starting lineup:

PF- Chris Wilcox
SF- Thaddeus Young
C- Big Sam
SG Chris Douglas Roberts
PG- Miller,Lou Williams,DJ Augistine

Bench- Maressee Speights, Jason Smith, Lou Williams, Rodney Carney,DJ Augistine, Reggie Evans

Remember, I did not trade Miller yet. I will trade him if the offer benefits Philadelphia.

[is1531]

I don't understand why if you are going so young why it would be important to retain Miller. By the time Young and the draft picks are peaking Miller will be oput of the league.

Miller does help players develop, but I doubt he would stay after this year if the Sixers decided to go even younger.

I do agree that Wilcox is intriguing. At 25, and with decent athleticism and a good post game he seems like a good fit. But I have heard he wants a big payday next year.

Tk76, I was not planning on retaining Miller. I want to make one final splash after I add the sum of those parts from my previous trade. I want to show to the other teams, based on these previosus trades that I outlined, that the 76ers will not except any tyoe of compromising trade, especially since Miller just came off a great season.

My goal is to put a 76ers team that has size, athletiicism and depth. I think I have covered everything with these trades. We still have our two ist round picks from next year.

[SendEm]

I'll take Wilcox as a throw in with the 4th pick for Iggy but Wilcox is much more of a fantasy basketball player's wet dream than he is a valuable basketball player ON the court. he's just simply not good enough to be a starter on a wining team. He's a unique player that has extreme athleticism, strength, and a mean streak, but he has a low motor ad low skills/B ball IQ. He has everything necessary to average 25ppg and 13 rebounds, but instead he averages 13ppg and 7rebounds, He's also as good as he will ever get, evident by his drop off in production and free throw percentage since he signed that big time contract in Seattle for the short amount of years. He wanted a huge long term deal which the Clippers and Sonics didn't give to him and they were both right and not doing so. He plays basketball strictly for the money and you want to avoid these sorts of players who don't have the inner drive to want to win moreover play well in their contract year and coast in between. You want Jordan's, Reggie Miller's, Bruce Bowen's, Eric Snow's, etc.. The fewer Chris Wilcox's, Darius Miles, and Eddie Curry's you have on your team the better.


Also this draft falls off after the 3rd pick. Beasley, Rose, Mayo...Throwing hype out of the window it's going to be difficult for a GM to find the next best NBA prospect after those 3. Lopez is just a Sam Bowie, Shawn Bradley, Olowokandi type prospect that is getting valued extra high because he is a 7 foot center with strength and some skills and we all know how fast a big man can singlehandedly turn a franchise around IF he can play. But Rose, Mayo, and Beasley look like locks to be better than averaged NBA starters.

[tk76]

IS1531, trhanks for the clarification about Miller. I think your scenario may not be perfect, but it does show the type of creative move that could be available for the team. It would be a bit of a step back, but would dramatically improve the talent level and depth of the team.

I do agree with Eyatoma that I would keep the #4 if somehow we got it. Top 5 picks have dramatically better track records than #10 picks. I would take a shot at a superstar over what a #10 typically brings you.

[tk76]

Sendem- I agree that Wilcox would be a risky proposition- mostly because he would require a big extension next year- and he might not be worth it. He is intriguing though.

It's hard to find a 25 year old PF with legit size and low post skills who is on the market. Those types of players are usually high lottery picks (which I don't see the Sixers having anytime soon) or not available as FA or trades until they get closer to 30.

[SendEm]

PF- Chris Wilcox
SF- Thaddeus Young
C- Big Sam
SG Chris Douglas Roberts
PG- Miller,Lou Williams,DJ Augistine

Bench- Maressee Speights, Jason Smith, Lou Williams, Rodney Carney,DJ Augistine, Reggie Evans

That roster would get you fired at the end of the season. It's beyond me how you would think that CDR would be a better starting SG in the NBA in his rookie season than Carney. Nick Young was a better prospect than CDR and even he couldn't find any time on the court over Roger Mason Jr.. I think that you are in love with the idea of the draft and the potential of players who haven't played a minute of pro basketball yet. It's like you have forgotten how hard it is just to make it on an NBA bench. I have seen tons of players better than CDR not make it in the NBA at the SG position and you have him penciled in as a starter and he's widely considered to not be a lottery pick?

[is1531]

I'll take Wilcox as a throw in with the 4th pick for Iggy but Wilcox is much more of a fantasy basketball player's wet dream than he is a valuable basketball player ON the court. he's just simply not good enough to be a starter on a wining team. He's a unique player that has extreme athleticism, strength, and a mean streak, but he has a low motor ad low skills/B ball IQ. He has everything necessary to average 25ppg and 13 rebounds, but instead he averages 13ppg and 7rebounds, He's also as good as he will ever get, evident by his drop off in production and free throw percentage since he signed that big time contract in Seattle for the short amount of years. He wanted a huge long term deal which the Clippers and Sonics didn't give to him and they were both right and not doing so. He plays basketball strictly for the money and you want to avoid these sorts of players who don't have the inner drive to want to win moreover play well in their contract year and coast in between. You want Jordan's, Reggie Miller's, Bruce Bowen's, Eric Snow's, etc.. The fewer Chris Wilcox's, Darius Miles, and Eddie Curry's you have on your team the better.


Also this draft falls off after the 3rd pick. Beasley, Rose, Mayo...Throwing hype out of the window it's going to be difficult for a GM to find the next best NBA prospect after those 3. Lopez is just a Sam Bowie, Shawn Bradley, Olowokandi type prospect that is getting valued extra high because he is a 7 foot center with strength and some skills and we all know how fast a big man can singlehandedly turn a franchise around IF he can play. But Rose, Mayo, and Beasley look like locks to be better than averaged NBA starters.

Speights would be splitting time with Wilcox, so Wilcox would not be a true starter. You could even make Wilcox our 6th man.

We started Mark Ivaroni on our championship team. He played hard, but he was lousy. Wilcox will not be the man, but will fill a role to score 14 points a game. Wilcox played on a team that was as bad as it gets. If Wilcox leaves, he leaves. I am just trying to make a fair deal for Iggy. I think I have tried to cover all bases to give us size , depth and athleticism.

Remember, Miller is still on the board to be traded after all the deals I made. In addition I still kept our 2 ist round picks for next year.

[noone]

You can't trade a player that is a FA this season for a pick in this season's draft.

Hence, Iguodala cannot be included in any trade involving a draft pick.

[SendEm]

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Speights would be splitting time with Wilcox, so Wilcox would not be a true starter. You could even make Wilcox our 6th man.

We started Mark Ivaroni on our championship team. He played hard, but he was lousy. Wilcox will not be the man, but will fill a role to score 14 points a game. Wilcox played on a team that was as bad as it gets. If Wilcox leaves, he leaves. I am just trying to make a fair deal for Iggy. I think I have tried to cover all bases to give us size , depth and athleticism.

Remember, Miller is still on the board to be traded after all the deals I made. In addition I still kept our 2 ist round picks for next year.

What second pick in 2009? Utah's pick? That pick begins the POSSIBILITY of being acquired in 2009 but it might not be a pick that we actually acquire till SEVERAL years down the line. It is all at Utah's discretion on top of being HEAVILY protected. I remember numbers like top 16 and top 22 protected.
Let me recap: Iggy for Wilcox, Speights, Augustin, and CDR? We ca't do a trade for Iggy where we only get back players that can't be high level NBA starters RIGHT NOW. I don't know what Speights is going to be but he certainly didn't play better than average on the college level for a big man prospect. I know that Augustin is too short and not athletic enough to be a player that I would count on being a starter in his career. CDR didn't blow me away when I seen him play he wasn't even considered a 1st round pick till VERY late in the season. He could be a "first round pick" just like Victor Paige would have been a first round pick if he would have come out the same year as Iverson...

[is1531]

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That roster would get you fired at the end of the season. It's beyond me how you would think that CDR would be a better starting SG in the NBA in his rookie season than Carney. Nick Young was a better prospect than CDR and even he couldn't find any time on the court over Roger Mason Jr.. I think that you are in love with the idea of the draft and the potential of players who haven't played a minute of pro basketball yet. It's like you have forgotten how hard it is just to make it on an NBA bench. I have seen tons of players better than CDR not make it in the NBA at the SG position and you have him penciled in as a starter and he's widely considered to not be a lottery pick?

I wanted the 76ers to draft Carney with the 16th pick two years ago. Right now Carney has not proven very much. He is a player that plays with one gear only. He has not shown he can even dribble the ball.

Have you seen the way Stuckey has played as a rookie? What makes you think Roberts can not be productive as a rookie. Hersey Hawkins stepped right in his rookie year and averaged 15 points a game in 1988. Their were times when Hawkins reallly struggled with his height on both ends of the court.

Some scouts do not cut Roberts enough slack. He is an excellent slasher at 6ft 7. The ist thing I notice about Roberts is, he has guts. He believes he can get to the hoop on everybody. He can also hit his trays. We go not agree on Roberts. Roberts should have a lot of fun in the NBA. This guy will get to the foul line

When you put a young team together, you take a few steps at a time. I built this team for the future without even giving up Miller and I still left the 76ers with their 2 ist round picks next year.

The 76ers bench that I put together would be the best bench in decades for the 76ers.

[SendEm]

Stuckey dominated college basketball, CDR didn't... Stuckey wasn't a starter and STILL isn't but you have CDR as a starter? Stuckey at the end of the day can fall back on his imposing physical measurables over his opponent which are often 6'1 PG's, CDR has no physical advantage over NBA SG's and would have to play with PURE skill and technique...

[is1531]

You can't trade a player that is a FA this season for a pick in this season's draft.

Hence, Iguodala cannot be included in any trade involving a draft pick.

They probably have to wait for an Iggy deal, 10 days after July ist, maybe 12 days.

[is1531]

Stuckey dominated college basketball, CDR didn't... Stuckey wasn't a starter and STILL isn't but you have CDR as a starter? Stuckey at the end of the day can fall back on his imposing physical measurables over his opponent which are often 6'1 PG's, CDR has no physical advantage over NBA SG's and would have to play with PURE skill and technique...

Roberts is 6ft 7. He has a big height advantage. he played on a Memphis team that was loaded with talent. You tell me how many people in the country ever saw Stuckey play at East Washington. I have the Full court pass and I never remember seeing him play.

I am getting back 3 players for Iggy, which woulld make this team a lot more watchable. In reality, the way the 76ers are constructed right now, the 76ers are not watchable.

[SendEm]

6'7" is not a height advantage at NBA SG, I'm sorry you are mistaken. When Turkoglu plays SG he has a height advantage at 6'10 220 pounds. McGrady has an advantage at 6'8" 223 pounds with freakishly long arms. CDR at 6'7" and only 200 pounds... Stuckey as a 6'5" PG is even 205 pounds.