Filling the roster: Cheaply?

[Mylie10]

Considering our monetary situation (re-signing Beans and Monta) I think we're between a rock and a hard place regarding the roster.

Guys like Azu, Barnes, and Pietrus might all be gone after the dust clears.

I feel Baron stays this year after a summer of words, and the Al scenarios may be the only way to bring in something, but it has to make us better.

I feel that this draft isn't strong at all after 1 and 2. Except that I'm confident that Love will be a really good player. but I do think that we should grab another pick in the mid to late first or second round.

There are real contributors there and we need to fill out our roster as cheaply as possible. I'd rather fill with young prospects, than old losers like Troy Hudson.

What we have:

Baron
Ellis
Jack
Belli
Wright
Beans
Kosta

That's just seven, we need seven more. 3 draft picks would put us at 10 players.

Al may get us 2 guys for his one. Joe Smith and Damon Jones work. Something like that could work for us. 2 for 1. I'd like to squeeze another pick out of an Al deal, but time is running out on this scenario.

That puts us at 12. We could possibly sign 2 cheap guys.

Azu maybe, but has to be cheap. Walter Hermann is another back-up center type that could be had cheap (maybe).

Finally a veteran minimum guy that fills a need.

The key with this draft is to try and grab one big upside guy and then 2 guys who could play right away.

First round at 14. Go big potential or BPA here. Arthur is a guy who has upside and has played at a high level. IBaka could use another year of seasoning or be that diamond in the rough with huge upside. Jordan, Ajinca, Speights, Batum, and Greene are all guys with question marks, but also potential oozing.

If we can pick up another late first, then i go for immediate contributor in either CDR or Rush. either guy will contribute right away. They're leaders and scorers, both D up and have good handles. good size at the 2.

In the second round I'm also drafting for a ready to go contributor.

Dorsey; Can rebound right now. Big body who will give us toughness.

Ryan Anderson; highly underated. Can do everything. Great rebounder and has all the tools offensively. He can play right now.

Taj Gibson; I'm sorry but the guy is an NBA player. His game already revolves around the pick and roll. He's a long athletic guy who's somwhat thin. Big effing deal, he was hampered by all of the OJ Mayo crap and there wsn't much help inside for him. He's ready to go, but I wouldn't be surprised if he goes back to school.

DJ White; He's just the type of back-up that could battle the Milsaps and Hayes of the world. I'm not quite as sold on him, but he'll be a contributor.

Mario Chalmers is also a kid who really shoots the 3 and can handle himself out there.


Baron/D. Jones/A. Johnson
Ellis/Belli/CDR-(Rush)
Jax/Ibaka-(Greene)
Wright/Joe Smith/R. Anderson-(Dorsey)
Beans/Kosta/Hermann

[ticknyler]

Dont agree with the AL deal although i agree with the idea.

Do like Dorsey in the 2nd.

Like Batum, Alexander, love, or Jordan at 14

[FNQ]

Taj is a little soft for my taste... I'd like DJ or Chalmers.

Any scenario where we keep Baron is a bad one to me. If we trade him, we're almost guaranteed to get depth back.

Without even going into FA, heres how I'd like things to go down now, edited for the 100th time this offseason:

LAC gets: Baron
GSW gets: Wally Szczerbiak, Joe Smith, #7, #19
CLE gets: Cuttino Mobley, Corey Maggette

HOU gets: Jackson, POB (signed for trade purposes), #19
GSW gets: Shane Battier, Bobby Jackson (EC), #25
*** GSW gets the right to swap picks with HOU in 2009 or 2010 draft ***

#7 - Kevin Love
#14 - Brandon Rush
#25 - Mario Chalmers
#49 - Gary Forbes
So we'd already be looking at:

Monta / B. Jackson / M. Chalmers
Rush / Belinelli / Szczerbiak
Battier / Al / Forbes
Wright / Biedrins / J. Smith / Al
Biedrins / Love

We become a little guard heavy offensively but I'm ok with that until Love acclimates himself to the NBA... we'd finally be giving Wright and Biedrins offensive touches as well. We'd be handing the keys over to Monta completely, but I believe that to be an important part of next season - to quickly establish that he's our PG going forward and getting our backup (plan?) ready in Chalmers.

Of course it could never happen - this would involve a committment to defense and winning w/o gimmicks, and thats frowned upon in GS. But that's a really hard nosed defensive team with some offensive potential, and somewhat reminiscent of how the Pistons put their team together.

At that point, min FAs become extremely acceptable for us...

[Onus]

so if we are planning on rounding out our roster the cheap way, which we've been doing the past couple of years, it would look like you all are looking in the wrong places for talent. The Warriors like to pick up cheap talent from that little league called the D-League!!

[shrink]

LAC gets: Baron
GSW gets: Wally Szczerbiak, Joe Smith, #7, #19
CLE gets: Cuttino Mobley, Corey Maggette

HOU gets: Jackson, POB (signed for trade purposes), #19
GSW gets: Shane Battier, Bobby Jackson (EC), #25
*** GSW gets the right to swap picks with HOU in 2009 or 2010 draft ***

I really like the first deal for all three teams involved. Nice job.

I can't see HOU doing deal two though. With the injury histories of their two biggest stars, it's quite possible the future pick swaps are the most valuable thing in the trade, and GSW gets two shots at the injury apple?

Also, for my own clarification, can you sign-and-trade UFA's, or just RFA's?

[Yi Jian Lian]

Hermann? Dude is a legit SF, PF at most.

[FNQ]

Well, there could be some protection involved... top 5 or something. But the risk is just as prevalent for the W's - the team has to fit together, we share the same injury risks... I did that deal based off what I saw on the trade board.

Honestly I only made it 09/10 because I didnt want to make it obvious that I wanted the 2010 pick... reason being I cant see McGrady being as effective as his athleticism begins to fade, and Jax will be pushing 34 in 2010.... the deal could be tweaked a little so long as the base (Jax - Battier) is the same.

As for the POB aspect of the trade, it was brought up in the trade board... my guess is that POB would have to be on board with the Rockets and be a crucial part of making the trade happen. If that doesn't work, the Rockets could always just take him out, and the W's could take Bobby Jax with their TE. I just left POB in there for the benefit of Rox's fans (even though loserX, a Jazz fan, was the one who posted it )

[Abyss Impact]

Sigh... Well our bench is TERRIBLE, I expect us to be in the Lottery next season

[GSW2K4]

We become a little guard heavy offensively but I'm ok with that until Love acclimates himself to the NBA... we'd finally be giving Wright and Biedrins offensive touches as well. We'd be handing the keys over to Monta completely, but I believe that to be an important part of next season - to quickly establish that he's our PG going forward and getting our backup (plan?) ready in Chalmers.

Of course it could never happen - this would involve a committment to defense and winning w/o gimmicks, and thats frowned upon in GS. But that's a really hard nosed defensive team with some offensive potential, and somewhat reminiscent of how the Pistons put their team together.

I think that's a great trade plan. One of those deals where everybody seems to benefit.

We are a little guard heavy, 3 are unproven, 1 is injury prone, and 1 is a slow defensive liability. So having options help. Someone should be in d-league...

That's also a versatile set of bigs (you cut Kosta, for Forbes...not convinced the FO would ). Also we have lineups where we could surround Monta with passers (Rush, Battier, Love) and that's what I really want. If we could move Al for a backup center, that would be helpful, though unlikely.

It just seems like a lot of solid no non-sense players...and Wally Szczerbiak (his game 7 non-effort was ridiculous). In that sense it is definitely a Pistons like plan...

Wait, are you trying to compare yourself to Dumars?

[FNQ]

Somewhat

Substitute flash and flare for substance... might not be the most exciting team anymore but they would play tough D and if the offense responds decently enough (which I believe it could) then we'd have the beginnings of a contender...

[Mylie10]

Not bad Reggae, but wishful thinking as far as all of those deals happening. Especially the Houston one.

I like your 3 team with Clev, and the Clips, but I can't stand Wally and would rather have crummy old Damon Jones. Wally sucks and I don't want to have to root for him.

We differ on the Baron point, and I feel your heart won't accept the facts. Baron's here this next year. The money is to steep and the Dubs (Mullin) will want equal value coming back. A trade could happen, but for it to be more valuable to the Warriors, it would need to be at the deadline, or just letting him expire. Based on the last 2 years, the letting him expire angle seems to be the most likely.

Honestly I don't see us moving Al either, unless someone knocks our socks off.

This offseason roster filling will be done with draft picks and veteran signings. That's it.

Al is the most likely scenario of someone being dealt and that's a slim one.

[GswStorm3]

I just hope we find a legitimate backup PG through free agency or trade. The rest of the roster shouldn't be too hard to fill out cheaply.

[LA Warrior]

Anybody hear any news on how much Monta is getting this offseason? I hope his deal doesnt become a cap buster. I'm surprised the Knicks aren't trying to get him. On a side note i think Wright has a break out season next year... He did get his braces off right??

[Mylie10]

Monta will command anywhere from 8-11 mil per from the Dubs and probably 5-6years on his deal.

[LA Warrior]

Monta will command anywhere from 8-11 mil per from the Dubs and probably 5-6years on his deal.

Hopefully your right. Sounds fair to me. I'm still not sold on him running the point. I think he'll be a SG the rest of his career (not saying this is a bad thing). Props to you Mylie yours posts always make me feel alil smarter. You should apply for Mullins job.

[giberish]

Anybody hear any news on how much Monta is getting this offseason? I hope his deal doesnt become a cap buster. I'm surprised the Knicks aren't trying to get him. On a side note i think Wright has a break out season next year... He did get his braces off right??

The Knicks aren't a threat - they can only offer the MLE. And while Newsday thinks differently GS would gladly match any MLE offer for Monta.

The only teams that could offer Monta a 1st year salary of $10M or more (the level it would take to cause problems for GS) are Memphis (near where he grew up, but they've got a ton of young guards already and cheap ownership), Philly (but they really like Miller at PG, and view Williams as their Monta who they can resign cheaper), Washington (only if Arenas and Jamison leave - and where would they go?) and LAC (only if Brand leaves).

For better or worse Monta and Andris will be limited to negotiation with GS only.

[giberish]

so if we are planning on rounding out our roster the cheap way, which we've been doing the past couple of years, it would look like you all are looking in the wrong places for talent. The Warriors like to pick up cheap talent from that little league called the D-League!!

Adding a 12th/13th/14th man or two from the D-league isn't a bad idea. Find a 23-27 year old guy who didn't stick in the NBA at 20-22, then spent the last 2-4 years working on their game and getting better and you've got a useful bench player (at least better than Troy Hudson) on the cheap.

The catch is that this is more likely to find useful reserve perimeter players, as post players with any hope rarely fall out of the NBA for long.

[FNQ]

There's only one fact Mylie:

The W's have little incentive to give Baron an extension, as demonstrated by the rumors and Ramasar's initial (and comedic) reaction to the 1st set of meetings.

That means Baron's either played his last game as a Warrior or is playing for his Warrior life. I like either scenario, but saying he's definitely going to be here or definitely not is way too early, especially since technically he's not even picked up his option yet.

The HOU pick swap doesn't have to happen - I posted it in the trade board w/o it - and I still think its a great deal for us... get a premiere defender who can hit outside shots... while Jax scored more, Battier scored more efficiently. A .540 eFG for Battier, compared to the .482 of Jax... another point of note is that Battier's extremely efficient with the ball.

As for Wally, he'd be our 13m expiring / entertainment. I say we embarass the guy out of town... dress him up in streets everynight and play clown music everytime the Jumbotron catches a glimpse of him.

"He's not built for a bunch of clowns like they've got out at Golden State," Timberwolves guard Wally Szczerbiak said.

[LA Warrior]

There's only one fact Mylie:

The W's have little incentive to give Baron an extension, as demonstrated by the rumors and Ramasar's initial (and comedic) reaction to the 1st set of meetings.

That means Baron's either played his last game as a Warrior or is playing for his Warrior life. I like either scenario, but saying he's definitely going to be here or definitely not is way too early, especially since technically he's not even picked up his option yet.

The HOU pick swap doesn't have to happen - I posted it in the trade board w/o it - and I still think its a great deal for us... get a premiere defender who can hit outside shots... while Jax scored more, Battier scored more efficiently. A .540 eFG for Battier, compared to the .482 of Jax... another point of note is that Battier's extremely efficient with the ball.

As for Wally, he'd be our 13m expiring / entertainment. I say we embarass the guy out of town... dress him up in streets everynight and play clown music everytime the Jumbotron catches a glimpse of him.

"He's not built for a bunch of clowns like they've got out at Golden State," Timberwolves guard Wally Szczerbiak said.

Its sad cuz its true...

[Mylie10]

There's only one fact Mylie:

The W's have little incentive to give Baron an extension, as demonstrated by the rumors and Ramasar's initial (and comedic) reaction to the 1st set of meetings.

That means Baron's either played his last game as a Warrior or is playing for his Warrior life. I like either scenario, but saying he's definitely going to be here or definitely not is way too early, especially since technically he's not even picked up his option yet.

The HOU pick swap doesn't have to happen - I posted it in the trade board w/o it - and I still think its a great deal for us... get a premiere defender who can hit outside shots... while Jax scored more, Battier scored more efficiently. A .540 eFG for Battier, compared to the .482 of Jax... another point of note is that Battier's extremely efficient with the ball.

As for Wally, he'd be our 13m expiring / entertainment. I say we embarass the guy out of town... dress him up in streets everynight and play clown music everytime the Jumbotron catches a glimpse of him.

"He's not built for a bunch of clowns like they've got out at Golden State," Timberwolves guard Wally Szczerbiak said.

We differ on the Baron point, and I feel your heart won't accept the facts. Baron's here this next year. The money is to steep and the Dubs (Mullin) will want equal value coming back. A trade could happen, but for it to be more valuable to the Warriors, it would need to be at the deadline, or just letting him expire. Based on the last 2 years, the letting him expire angle seems to be the most likely.

Again Reggae, Baron's here next year barring an unforseen trade. Not likely.

so what I'd like to hear from you is a REALISTIC set of trades and or picks that MIGHT actually come to fruition. We all like to throw stuff out there and you are among the more drastic of posters when it comes to going in a certain direction.

Based on our current ownership and based on our money situation and the tendancies of our front office, please come up with another REALISTIC APPROACH.

I'm not harping on you because I truly would like to hear.

I always get leary when I here the 4 and 5 team trades from guys like DOM. So your 3 team deal is a possibility, but unlikely based on all of the hoops that would need to be jumped through.

Gimme something that may happen.