MIN/NYK/SEA Mayo AND Lopez

[shrink]

MIN GIVES: Walker + 2009 BOS 1st
MIN GETS: Curry + #4

NYK GIVES: Curry + #6
NYK GETS: Walker

SEA GIVES: #4
SEA GETS: #6 + 2009 BOS 1st

WHY FOR MIN? They don't make a wrong choice between Mayo and Lopez by getting both. They have to eat the NYK contract (and I'd prefer they find another home for either Curry or Zach), but to get Lopez, it would probably be worth it. With #3, #4, MIN also has more than enough to move up to #2.

WHY FOR NYK? As they said, this clears a ton of salary, particularly valuable since they are over the lux and it erases money they can use to try to sign LeBron.

http://www.realgm.com/src_wiretap_archi ... ed_salary/

WHY FOR SEA? It's a free asset, and the salary is defered. They'd pick Bayless if Mayo is gone at #4 anyway, and he'll be there (and slightly cheaper per year) at #6

1. CHI - Rose
2. MIA - Beasley
3. MIN - Mayo
4. MIN - Lopez
5. MEM - ???, but certainly not Bayless .. another PG!
6. SEA - Bayless

[wolves_fan_82au]

SEA GIVES: #4 + 2009 BOS 1st
SEA GETS: #6

is that right?

[theGreatRC]

I don't know Shrink..Usually I like you trade ideas, but I just don't know.

Giving up Walker and receiving the 6th pick would be too good to be true, and Seattle willingly moving down two spots and getting nothing in return besides some saved money..

I just want to see what else you have to say to defend your trade, but right now, it just seems too much of a video game deal rather than a real one.

[D1SGRUNTL3D]

LOL wishful thinkin, btw Minny would get 4th, not 6th.

[cpfsf]

Seattle does not have the rights to Boston's 2009 draft pick, Minnesota does. Plus, other teams would be willing to offer so much more. Boston gave up Ray Allen for the 2007 5th pick Jeff Green. NY could easily get a solid veteran for a 6th pick instead of just an expiring contract.

[shrink]

Well, the Knicks deal is based on the statements of their new GM, that they are looking to use the pick to get an expiring for either Zach Randolph or Eddy Curry. They want to clear enough salary to offer LeBron a max deal in 2010. You can read the article - I linked it.

As for SEA .. why not? At #4 they would take Bayless. If they had the #6, Bayless is still there -- neither MIN or MEM is going to pick Bayless in front of them. I suppose they could go to MEM and say "what do you offer for a pick swap?" but they would prefer not adding the salary of a pick this year, and MEM traded their pick (protected) for Navarro. What's better? Bayless or Bayless + 2009 BOS pick?

[shrink]

Seattle does not have the rights to Boston's 2009 draft pick, Minnesota does. Plus, other teams would be willing to offer so much more. Boston gave up Ray Allen for the 2007 5th pick Jeff Green. NY could easily get a solid veteran for a 6th pick instead of just an expiring contract.

Thanks - I fixed the trade.

SEA has a young team in a "win-later" mode, so why would they want to add a vet .. particularly since they would be expensive? SEA posters seem to be moving the other way, some looking to find a way to turn Wilcox into another mid 1st pick. SEA board seems to be debating between Mayo and Bayless .. I don't remember them seriously looking to trade for a vet.

[TheProdigy]

This does seem alot like a video game trade, so for the sake of simplicity, just take Seattle out of it.

MIN gives Walker, 2009 Boston 1st
MIN gets Curry, NYK #6

NYK gives Curry, NYK #6
NYK gets Walker, 2009 Boston 1st

We'd make out like bandits in this trade IMO.

[D1SGRUNTL3D]

Thatd be awesome.

[TrentTuckerForever]

We'd make out like bandits in this trade IMO.

I think it makes sense to include Seattle (otherwise we wouldn't have a shot at both Mayo and Lopez), but in both Shrink's trade and DaKid's trade I think NY would want something more back. How about this expansion:

NYK gives - #6, Curry, Malik Rose

gets - Antonie Walker, Greg Buckner, Rashad McCants, Mark Madsen

MN gives - Antonie Walker, Greg Buckner, Rashad McCants, Mark Madsen

gets - #4, Curry, Rose

SEA gives - #4

gets - #6, 2009 BOS 1st

WHY - for MN and SEA, same reasons Shrink cites. For New York, this is a salary match shell game - Walker is a free agent after next year (and would probably be bought out before the season began. There's a club option on Buckner after next year, and Madsen expires after 2009.

The key for NY, though, is McCants. He'd bring D'Antoni another shooter (and he's really only got Quentin Richardson and maybe Nate Robinson in that department right now.) Between McCants' fighting with T-Wolves coaches, the fact that we're doing this deal to bring in a guy who plays McCants' position, and the Wolves' other guys who need minutes at the swing positions (Snyder, Brewer, Mayo, Jaric... and last year's starter, Gomes) I say McCants is expendable. Lineup after this trade:

Jaric/Snyder
Jefferson/Gomes/Smith
Curry/Lopez/Rose
Mayo/Brewer
Foye/Telfair

[shrink]

I think NYK might be limited in the teams that can offer expirings for Zach or Eddy.

First, who has that much expirings to begin with? Some could offer some two year deals that still get NYK money for the LeBron sweepstakes, but all that money still has to get paid.

Next, who can absorb those contracts for next year, without going over the lux? Eating one of these contracts is bad enough -- paying part of it double would be extremely distasteful.

Finally, NYK would get a little extra benefit by sending the #6 to a Western Conference team, right? It gets more talent out of the East, and if the #6 blew up, the fans don't get reminded of it so often.

[prefuse73]

Its unlikely, but I like the original deal.

Lopez / Curry / Richard
Jefferson / Lopez / Gomes
Brewer / Gomes / Jaric
Mayo / McCants / Jaric
Foye / Mayo / Jaric

That would be a pretty sweet and young 8 man rotation, with Curry, Gomes and McCants as the main trio off the bench.

[PeeDee]

I don't think Seattle would want to help us. Especially considering we jumped ahead of them in the lottery. It'd have to be just Minny and NY imo.

[shrink]

I don't think Seattle would want to help us. Especially considering we jumped ahead of them in the lottery. It'd have to be just Minny and NY imo.

You might be right, but for them:

Bayless + 2009 BOS 1st > Bayless

... right? Would they give up a late 1st round pick just to see that Lopez went to MEM and the #6 (Jordan?) went to MIN, and not vice versa?


I've given it some more thought, and the problem to me isn't that SEA wouldn't do it, but they'd take the deal straight to MEM and say "beat MIN's offer, and you can have Lopez"

Grizz could offer the LAL #28, but supposedly they don't want to add salary this year before the move, and they already have four picks in the second round. It would have to be part of some more complicated talent-for-talent-plus-pick-swap deal.

If I'm McHale, I line up the Curry-for-#6-plus-expirings deal afead of time.

1. I don't tell anyone who I'm picking third, and decline any SEA offers to trade down.

2. If Rose and Beasley are gone, I pick Mayo at #3.

3. Now, with SEA on the clock for #4, I make my #6-plus-BOS-pick-for-#4 offer. Memphis shouldn't have a deal ready .. why would they when they know SEA can't pick Lopez having used high picks on project centers again and again?

SEA has been planning on walking to the stage to pick Beasley -- now they do it with a little extra perk.

[the_bruce]

Solid.

The only problem I see is the NYK fans think they are immune to lux tax, and I gues sthey have been but thats not the point as I think the changing of the guard so to say may want to be fiscally more conservative.

They also counter with the argument that they should aquire young talent now to have the parts to support LBJ in the future and trading the #6 doesnt accomplish that.

But what I'm saying is NYK could ditch Randolph and Curry using Lee + the 6th pick. Then with a portion of the savings...say 9-12m? Buy some lotto picks? With the money they would save in year 2 26.5m they could go out and buy up whatever they want more or less. They need to start getting these assets asap, and I think Quanity + cheap > quality + expensive from that one article on 82games the most value obtained from draft picks is in the teens. Send it all out this year get as much cheap talent to develop in the system for the next 2 years then see what can be done from there. The team has enough assets to do a rapid rebuild if they are willing to really suck for a year.

[big3_8_19_21]

maybe...I bet it would get done if our outgoing 1st was Miami's instead of Boston's and we added in Buckner and took Randolph instead. Yeah, it would be repetitive having Randolph and Jefferson, but Curry would **** up our rotation and playing style so bad it's not even funny. Curry can't rebound, his contract is uninsured, he's so ridiculously fat and can't leave 3 feet from the basket. Randolph has a decent jump shot, so he wouldn't have to be parked down low all the time, plus he can actually rebound pretty well. However it would be difficult to find any time for Craig Smith and Ryan Gomes with Jefferson, Lopez and Randolph.

The only reason to take Curry would be his smaller salary and we could bench him for 3 years eating his still-quite-substantial salary...so yeah, I guess taking Curry makes some sense too. What a useless post I just made.

[Yoshi2kx]

wishful thinking, no way you get the 4th, let alone another lottery pick just by giving up walker and a really, really late 1st

[shrink]

Walsh will try to package the pick with either Zach Randolph or Eddy Curry, which would create cap space for the summer of 2010 when LeBron James and Dwyane Wade become free agents

[deeney0]

wishful thinking, no way you get the 4th, let alone another lottery pick just by giving up walker and a really, really late 1st

Boston, 2006 draft. They traded their lotto pick (#7) for Sebastian Telfair (circa late 1st) and cutting a year off Raef Lafrentz. And that turned out pretty good for Boston. The idea is that New York may try for the same sort of thing.

[theGreatRC]

Could we use Curry off the bench?

No way in hell do I want him starting at Center, he is such a black hole. We need a defensive minded and a willing rebounder at center.

I've always loved Tyson Chandler's game, i'm so glad he blossomed in New Orleans, we need someone like him.