Would you trade expiring contracts to Knicks for pick #6?

[DowJones]

Something like...

Cleveland Trades
-Eric Snow
-Damon Jones
-Ben Wallace
-Sasha Pavlovic
-#19


New York Trades
-Zach Randolph
-Jerome James
-Jarred Jeffries
-Quentin Richardson
-#6 pick in the NBA Draft


I would do this if I'm the Cavs and I can see why New York does this deal. This deal also allows us to keep Wally and Joe Smith for a SG like Michael Redd. The biggest part of this trade would be to add that #6 pick. We really need young talent, and we could get a potential All-Star at the #6 pick. I think a player like Bayless could easily drop to us.

PG: Delonte West
SG: Jarred Bayless
SF: LeBron James
PF: Zach Randolph
C: Zydrunas Ilgauskas

Bench
-Richardson
-Boobie
-Wally
-Jeffries
-Smith
-Varejao

We could still look to trade some combination of Andy, Joe Smith, and Wally for someone near the trade deadline. Hell, we could even look to trade the #6 pick to a team like Golden State to get Baron Davis or maybe even to the Clippers for Elton Brand.

[JDaWg1000]

NO KNICKS!

if you didn't already know this board has a policy that there be no cle/nyk trade porposals because we do not want any other their players on the cavs (the don't fit our team expecially zach), and some members here don't want to give any expirings to ny so they can have more money to throw at lebron

[DowJones]

I don't really bother myself with a stupid "no Knick" policy because it is not something that any NBA franchise would do. You have to do what is best for your team.

The one way we can guarantee to keep LeBron is by building a winner. It doesn't matter of the Knicks or the Nets have cap-space.....LeBron is playing in Cleveland if the Cavs are in a better position. Adding young talent is the best way to do it, and IMO this is a damn good deal for Cleveland. We essentially trade 3 guys that had NOTHING to do with our 2008 season (Sasha, Snow, Jones) and a guy who can't play offense at all (Wallace) for 3 guys that can at least contribute (Randolph, Richardson, and Jeffries) and the #6 pick in the NBA Draft.

The contracts, yes, they suck. And adding Zach is a risk. But IMO it is worth it to get that #6 pick. Assuming the contracts are equal....

-Jeffries>Jones
-Richardson>Pavlovic
-Randolph>Wallace
-James=Snow

So the Knicks are compensating us for their bad contracts with a really high draft pick.

[B Mac]

Have you even looked at the contracts on all of those guys?

Randolph - 3 more years at 14.6, 16, 17.3
Richardson - 2 more years at 8.8, PO 9.4
James - 2 more years at 6.2, PO 6.6
Jeffries - 3 more years at 6, 6.5, PO 6.9

That is flat out ridiculous for those guys. How the hell Jerome James still has two more years on any contract let alone a MLE type one is unbelievable. You've got to assume that all 3 of the guys with player options pick them up, as all of them are waaaay overpaid and would be idiots not to.

This move effectively kills our team, financially. And as the Knicks have proven over and over again, spending doesnt always mean getting better.

Sure the #6 pick looks tempting, but sure as hell not for that price, regardless of who it is WE are giving up.

[SHAQFORMVP]

[DowJones]

Can you please explain to me how this kills our team financially? If you mean it literally costs too much money, I can fully understand why Gilbert wouldn't do it. It isn't like I am writing the checks for these guys. But as far as cap-space and actual basketball related moves....it really doesn't hurt all that much. We have no cap-space regardless and the only 2 expiring contracts that we trade are Snow and Jones. We still have Wally, Smith, and our trade exemption.

[SHAQFORMVP]

Again for the last freaking time NO KNICKS!!! But if they were willing to give us the 6 pick I might be tempted to think about it. I'd only do this trade with them if u swap Jeffries, Richardson, and James and plug in Crawford instead. If Mayo or Bayless fall to 6th then you gotta take em. Could you imagine OJ Mayo with Lebron James So now u have a starting lineup of...

Delonte/Gibson
Mayo/Crawford
LeBron/Wally
Randolph/Smith
Big Z/Andy

Who would stop us!

[DariusRickyMilesDavis]

I don't think Mayo is a fit. Way too much of an attitude and way too little of a developed game. I'd prefer a guy like Eric Gordon who has similar athletic ability, more skill offensively, and a better attitude to boot. And he is going to be there at 6. I don't know if the first deal is worth it---but I would be very tempted to jump up and grab Gordon is we could. We still would have 19 to take a developmental big and we would have another offseason to incorporate Delonte in to the offense and find a better role for Boobie.

[heathmalc]

If the Knicks want to trade... here is one I am willing to do:

Damon Jones
Wally Szczerbiak
2009 1st round pick

for

Eddie Curry
Jamal Crawford
#6 (2008 first round pick)

[INKtastic]

we can do better with our expiring contracts than to take on the Knicks overpaid players. The fact that their players are generally WAY overpaid is one reason for the no knicks policy on this board.

Who would you really rather have? Mike Miller and Elton Brand or Jamal Crawford and Eddie Curry?

[Niko23]

^

What he said

[HandDownManDown]

I do this trade if we can also swing a trade with Wally's contract for Michael Redd. I know it screws our cap, but who cares. If LeBron might bolt, we should just go for broke. We got 2 years to win a championship. 2 years. Let friggin do it. If we win a championship, LeBron probably won't bolt. So go for it, if we don't, then he's probably gone.

[DariusRickyMilesDavis]

lj...

While everyone would choose Elton Brand and Mike Miller--actually acquiring them is nothing short of unrealistic and borders on a pipe dream. The only thing we have in these deals is contract leverage and Memphis has already shown that they are not willing to move Mike Miller for expirings. People bring and discuss NY because it is a realistic, fair possibility where we can move players who didn't contribute much and acquire an explosive young scorer from the draft.

[DowJones]

we can do better with our expiring contracts than to take on the Knicks overpaid players. The fact that their players are generally WAY overpaid is one reason for the no knicks policy on this board.

Who would you really rather have? Mike Miller and Elton Brand or Jamal Crawford and Eddie Curry?

Stop with this Elton Brand crap. The Clippers have no interest in trading Brand for expiring contracts and a late pick. Elton Brand himself is an expiring contract, so what is the point of dealing him for a less-talented expiring if you are not going to get a high-pick back? Get over the Elton Brand fantasy.

And this isn't about players the Knicks currently have...it is about their draft pick. I would MUCH rather have the 6th pick in the draft than Mike Miller. We need young talent.

[SportsBoy]

The Rule is, "NO KNICKS"...

but just for grins & giggles:

Wally, DJ (16 Mill in expirings)
#2009 Pick (Top 5 Protected)

for

Crawford,Richardson
#6 Pick

[TheOUTLAW]

That deal absolutely stinks for the Cavs. we end up with way too many truly awful deals in the process. For that matter there is no guarantee that one of the marquee players in this draft will even be available at 6.

[Buckeye-NBAFan]

Something like...

Cleveland Trades
-Eric Snow
-Damon Jones
-Ben Wallace
-Sasha Pavlovic
-#19


New York Trades
-Zach Randolph
-Jerome James
-Jarred Jeffries
-Quentin Richardson
-#6 pick in the NBA Draft


I would do this if I'm the Cavs and I can see why New York does this deal. This deal also allows us to keep Wally and Joe Smith for a SG like Michael Redd. The biggest part of this trade would be to add that #6 pick. We really need young talent, and we could get a potential All-Star at the #6 pick. I think a player like Bayless could easily drop to us.

PG: Delonte West
SG: Jarred Bayless
SF: LeBron James
PF: Zach Randolph
C: Zydrunas Ilgauskas

Bench
-Richardson
-Boobie
-Wally
-Jeffries
-Smith
-Varejao

We could still look to trade some combination of Andy, Joe Smith, and Wally for someone near the trade deadline. Hell, we could even look to trade the #6 pick to a team like Golden State to get Baron Davis or maybe even to the Clippers for Elton Brand.

Rofl. So this trade means what, the Cavs pay $100 million dollars for the #6 pick?

[Smooth32]

If it means getting OJ Mayo at the #6 pick, then I'd throw in anything to the deal... Maybe even Daniel Gibson...

I'd take OJ Mayo, pretty much over anybody that we could realistically trade for: Michael Redd, Corey Maggette, Josh Howard, Mike Miller; no questions asked....

I think something like this would be fair:

Anderson Varejao
Wally Szcerbiak
#19 pick

for

Eddy Curry
Quentin Richardson
#6 pick

Then you have a lineup like:

Delonte West / Boobie Gibson / Damon Jones
OJ Mayo / Quentin Richardson
LeBron James / FA???
Ben Wallace / Joe Smith
Zydrunas Ilgauskas / Eddy Curry

Heck yeah!

[TheOUTLAW]

If I knew we could get Mayo, sure it might make sense although not with the crap we were getting with the first deal. Of course the above deal is far more palatable (although moving Varejao makes the Cavs seriously need a defensive PF).

[Benedict_Boozer]

Man I really just don't like Eddy Curry....I'm just not a fan of his game at all. It would be painful rooting for him..

Also it's wishful thinking assuming Mayo is still there at 6, Twolves/Sea/Memphis could all EASILY take him.