SendEm's Sixers Offseason Moves. Monta and J Chill

[SendEm]

The master stroke move of the off season would be signing Monta Ellis to a free agent offer sheet. I would extend to him the same sort of contract that Iguodala was offered last season and turned down. I have been reading about the numbers that Monta will supposedly be offered and to my surprise they are never anymore than like $9 million per season average. I don't know what Golden State's cap situation is right now, they traded away J Rich to make room for Monta's contract. I would push them to their financial limits with our entire cap room this offseason placed on the table for Monta if necessary. A front loaded contract would be the best way like Kirk Hinrich's contract.

I would do the Miller to Portland trade that has been talked about on here for Frye, Jack, and whatever else is necessary.

Draft a PF or C with the 16th pick. They all are developmental. I haven't seen any of them play. McGee definitely has the most basketball skills out of all of the highlight reels that I have seen of the PF/C that might still be on the board. With that said I haven't a clue who is the best fit in the NBA. Speights is a popular name around here lately.

The last complicated move is one that I haven't fully developed but it involves trading away Iguodala for something and signing Josh Childress to an offer sheet. Atlanta is having cap difficulties with J. Smith being a free agent. People have been placing J. Chill and MLE in the same sentence. I'll leave it up to you all to create a trade scenario for Iggy but I want him gone for the best deal possible, Thad inserted as the SF for the rest of his career and J Chill as the 6th man.

PG Lou Williams and Jack battle for starting PG
SG Monta Ellis, Josh Childress, Carney
SF Thad, Josh Childress, Carney
PF Channing Frye, R. Evans, Jason Smith, 16th pick
C Dalembert, Jason Smith, 16th pick

That's the basis of the team without what Iguodala will potentially bring back. Willie Green will also hopefully be traded away in the Miller or Iggy deal. With all of the money saved by trading Miller's $10 million and hopefully acquiring players that will amount in much less money than what Iguodala is looking to receive. We should still be UNDER the cap at the beginning of the season and also have money AGAIN next summer with Channing Frye being in the same cap hold position that Iggy is right now.

Sixers roster last season:

PG Miller, Lou Williams, Ollie
SG Willie Green, Carney
SF Iggy, Thad
PF Thad, Reggie Evans, Jason Smith
C Dalembert, Evans, Jason Smith

We no longer have a true PG but I think that our team would be better than what Atlanta was this season while still being able to play at the same frenetic pace we won games with but with better shot makers.

[Wilfried]

I would do the Miller to Portland trade that has been talked about on here for Frye, Jack, and whatever else is necessary.

PG Lou Williams and Jack battle for starting PG
SG Monta Ellis, Josh Childress, Carney
SF Thad, Josh Childress, Carney
PF Channing Frye, R. Evans, Jason Smith, 16th pick
C Dalembert, Jason Smith, 16th pick

Crazy move for Miller. He's a top 10 pg in the NBA and everyone's wanting him because he makes everyone arounds him better and his contract is ending, and you're going to deal him for Jack (terrible season) and Frye (terrible player)?

I like the move for Monta, that's the only thing I like

[corwin]

GS hopes to keep both Ellis & Biedrins but their owner does not want to go over the luxury threshold. I'm not sure I'd pick Ellis over Biedrins as the target though, if Biedrins could play PF. Ellis is a combo guard but taller than Williams. I don't think he's known for defense. If he's brought in as the SG then Iguodala definitely has to go. In your scenario that would leave the team needing a future PG, a PF & a back-up big. Iguodala should be able to bring in one of those pieces, #16 should bring in another (probably the back-up center). It would be fun to see Williams & Ellis on the floor at the same time.

[is1531]

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Crazy move for Miller. He's a top 10 pg in the NBA and everyone's wanting him because he makes everyone arounds him better and his contract is ending, and you're going to deal him for Jack (terrible season) and Frye (terrible player)?

I like the move for Monta, that's the only thing I like

Monte Ellis is a great player and a crowd pleaser. Everything on offense he does has people jumping. Childress does a little bit of everything well. He is a consistent role player. Channing Frye is not a PF and plays a very soft game of basketball. He takes shots way at the edge of the baseline. I do not want that from my PF. Evans, who I do not like, is much tougher than him.

The Miller trade makes no sense. If the 76ers are not going to get fair value for Miller, then hold on to miller letting the contract expire, which in that case, we will have money under the cap in the 2009-2010 season.

If the 76ers have 1 pick, then it should be Speights or Thompson. If the 76ers acquire another ist round pick, I would take McGee. then I would buy an early 2nd round pick and draft Shane Foster.

[is1531]

GS hopes to keep both Ellis & Biedrins but their owner does not want to go over the luxury threshold. I'm not sure I'd pick Ellis over Biedrins as the target though, if Biedrins could play PF. Ellis is a combo guard but taller than Williams. I don't think he's known for defense. If he's brought in as the SG then Iguodala definitely has to go. In your scenario that would leave the team needing a future PG, a PF & a back-up big. Iguodala should be able to bring in one of those pieces, #16 should bring in another (probably the back-up center). It would be fun to see Williams & Ellis on the floor at the same time.

You can not have Monte and Lou on the floor at the same time. Monte can make steals just like Lou Williams. Both will get clobbered in the half court defense. I do not want a defense like Milwaukee or Denver. Biderins can play PF at 6ft 11". In the years at Golden State he never had help on the boards. He has very good hands. He is not a good foul shooter.

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My initial question is:

What do you think AI2 would bring back?

[SendEm]

This is how the team will work.
Monta's scoring average will increase due to having an expanded role in this offense he shoots over .500%. He will provide the penetration that this team needs.
Frye will get open jump shots all day, which he thrives on and knocks down with insane regularity. He will get the same looks in Cheeks offense that Sammy, Jason Smith, and Evans couldn't knock down last season.
Thad will be the go to post up player he will be kicking the ball out to players like Frye, Childress and Monta for open jump shots. Set offensive Plays WILL be called for Thad regularly. Monta and Thad will have the offense run through them. Thad should be able to score on SF's in the post regularly.
Childress off the bench will be a slashing finisher, cutting without the ball looking for garbage baskets and wide open 3's. He handles the ball well and can break down his opponent off of the dribble.
The Sixers could have as many as 5 players shooting over or close to .500% Monta, Thad, Childress, Frye, and Dalembert. This team could be a better version of last years team being strong at the 2 point basket and weak with the 3 point basket.

My initial question is:

What do you think AI2 would bring back?

It seems like Iguodala is worth as high as the 4th pick in the draft. Rose, Beasley, and Mayo have more value right now. I would target Mayo as the PG of the future in an Iggy trade and even dangle Lou Williams in the trade if it is Minnesota at the 3rd pick that we are dealing with who are looking to take OJ. If it's Seattle it may only take Iggy to get it done. From what I've read the trade would have to take place in mid July after the draft due to Iggy's restricted free agent status so we may be in a position of power if Mayo drops for some reason.

PG Mayo, Lou Williams, Jack
SG Monta Ellis, Josh Childress, Carney
SF Thad, Josh Childress, Carney
PF Channing Frye, R. Evans, Jason Smith, 16th pick
C Dalembert, Jason Smith, 16th pick

If we are able to keep Lou after the Iggy trade then him Carney and Jason Smith might be able to fetch something good in a trade down the line.

[is1531]

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All good stuff except Frye. Frye is a 6ft 11" spunge player. This guy is as non-physical as it gets. I do not want this average player on my team. He is not a PF . In addition, if the 76ers deal Iggy, Lou Williams will not be in a deal to get Mayo. I would love to have Mayo, but if we do not get a PF, it means we have to wait for next years draft to make a big improvement.

The biggest question facing the 76ers is, what will they do if Speights is gone at 16? Do they draft Thompson, McGee, Arthur(pass) or somebody else. On paper it's going to take a few years to straighten out this mess, unless Spotlight Ed plays the part of Harry Houdini.

[SendEm]

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You can not have Monte and Lou on the floor at the same time. Monte can make steals just like Lou Williams. Both will get clobbered in the half court defense. I do not want a defense like Milwaukee or Denver. Biderins can play PF at 6ft 11". In the years at Golden State he never had help on the boards. He has very good hands. He is not a good foul shooter.

As far as Technique goes Lou Williams is the weaker defender, he gives his all for the Sixers because that is what is coached here. Monta has defensive ability it's just that Nellie couldn't care less about coaching defense even if he focused all of his energy upon doing so. The defense will not be amongst the worst in the league like Denver and GS because defense and hard work are what the coaching staff here specializes in. Also it's short sighted for a sub .500 team not want Monta Ellis because at the present time we have Lou Williams potentially starting at PG. Monta is a great player who is a major improvement over both Willie Green and Iguodala in the area that we need most, half court scoring.

Monta Ellis is a KEEPER. Lou Williams is expendable and no decisions should be made on who is NOT ADDED to this team just because Lou Williams is already here. All focus is upon moving forward. I would want to move forward with Monta Ellis as the SG. Lou Williams is just in the mix at PG until we can do better or he improves to the point that he also becomes a keeper. I have already brought OJ Mayo into the conversation in the Iggy trade in a post above. Mayo 6'4" and Ellis has grown an inch to 6'4". Thad 6'8", Childress 6'8", Carney 6'7", Dalembert 6'11, Frye 6'11. There's some length there in that top 7 for Cheeks defense.

[SendEm]

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All good stuff except Frye. Frye is a 6ft 11" spunge player. This guy is as non-physical as it gets. I do not want this average player on my team. He is not a PF . In addition, if the 76ers deal Iggy, Lou Williams will not be in a deal to get Mayo. I would love to have Mayo, but if we do not get a PF, it means we have to wait for next years draft to make a big improvement.

The biggest question facing the 76ers is, what will they do if Speights is gone at 16? Do they draft Thompson, McGee, Arthur(pass) or somebody else. On paper it's going to take a few years to straighten out this mess, unless Spotlight Ed plays the part of Harry Houdini.

I think that you are over doing the Frye soft thing a tad bit. He is a good young still developing NBA PF who has skills he could be the next PJ Brown. He's just not the hyped back to the basket center prospect that Larry Brown and the Knicks hyped him to be. He's a PF who has played a great deal of center in his career. He is a perfect fit with Thad and Monta ON PAPER. Thad will pass the ball to him out of the low post for jump shots and Monta will kick the ball out to him off of the penetration for the same. He will be able to play to his strengths. He's not a shot blocker but we already have Dalembert on the roster.

Childress, Monta, Thad, and Lou Williams will focus upon getting the close baskets while Frye can exist on the perimeter. Frye does have a back to the basket game he's just not the go to center prospect he was initially hyped to be, but he is a good young NBA player at a position of need for the Sixers. Don't lose sight of the fact that Miller is in the last year of his contract and we could likely end up with NOTHING for him after he was acquired in the Iverson trade who is STILL a NBA All Star. Too many people are acting as if all big NBA expiring contracts turn into Pau Gasol so we should wait until someone offers us an ALL STAR player for Miller's expiring contract. Sorry it doesn't work that way.

[is1531]

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As far as Technique goes Lou Williams is the weaker defender, he gives his all for the Sixers because that is what is coached here. Monta has defensive ability it's just that Nellie couldn't care less about coaching defense even if he focused all of his energy upon doing so. The defense will not be amongst the worst in the league like Denver and GS because defense and hard work are what the coaching staff here specializes in. Also it's short sighted for a sub .500 team not want Monta Ellis because at the present time we have Lou Williams potentially starting at PG. Monta is a great player who is a major improvement over both Willie Green and Iguodala in the area that we need most, half court scoring.


Monta Ellis is a KEEPER. Lou Williams is expendable and no decisions should be made on who is NOT ADDED to this team just because Lou Williams is already here. All focus is upon moving forward. I would want to move forward with Monta Ellis as the SG. Lou Williams is just in the mix at PG until we can do better or he improves to the point that he also becomes a keeper. I have already brought OJ Mayo into the conversation in the Iggy trade in a post above. Mayo 6'4" and Ellis has grown an inch to 6'4". Thad 6'8", Childress 6'8", Carney 6'7", Dalembert 6'11, Frye 6'11. There's some length there in that top 7 for Cheeks defense.

This is coming from a guy who watches most GS games and all 76ers games. Monte is a great player, whose defense would not suffer as much as Williams( if Lou was traded to GS) because Dalembert would be back their to protect him. GS has no protection to help Monte.

Monte is one of the best finishes on the break in the NBA. He can score 4-5 baskets in 3 minutes. He is clearly a crowd pleaser. Would more fans at the Wachovia want to see Iggy on Monte Ellis? I live in Philadelphia, so the answer is Monte Ellis. The crowd will put down the free popcorn, soda and Hotdogs when Monte has the ball. He clearly is electricity unlimited.

Here is what Chris Mullen said before the start of the 2007-2008 season: He stated we will not be outbidded for Andres Bierdins. If that is the case, then how much money is he willing to pay Monte Ellis. Keep in mind Golden State has the largest base of season ticket holders in the NBA. How are the fans going to react losing Monte? If the fans turn on Golden State, they might have to trade for Ben Gordon the next day,lol

Childress is only underated because he plays in Atlanta and does not start. He is not flashy, but he is just a smart player, who can tip in a shot, plays well on the break, finishes well driving to the hoop and makes a good pass. He is a very good foul shooter. He also plays tough defense.

[SendEm]

I'm banking on Monta, Childress, Thad, and Frye to increase their production by being given a larger role and also having another year of NBA experience under their belt. I see Monta being the next Michael Redd sort of player that everyone is aware is very talented but no one foreseen that he could average 25+ppg once he became "The Man" on a team. He's still only 22 years of age. averaging 20.2ppg 5rbd 3.9ass on .531% shooting. I would overpay to sign him away from GS.

All of these moves were designed not to sign Iguodala to anything more than the qualifying offer. If no one wants to trade for him and ink him to a deal then we'll keep him for the season and allow Iggy to walk afterwards.

[SouthJersey]

Ellis would be a great fit on this team. We need a scorer in the worst way and he'll definetly give us 20-25 ppg as the main option. Childress I have always been high on, and the only reason he isnt a starter because of Atlantas drafting style. We sign those 2 players, and trade Iguodala for Mayo, and this team is stacked for the future. I dont see Lou fitting on this team tho if we sign Ellis, too similar, and do we really need to take that cap space hit in the future? Sign and trade him for a first.

I dont know much about Frye. He's in Portland, so I've probably seen Koby Karl play more. His offnse wouldnt hurt in that lineup bc he would be good as a 5th option. I think we could get him for Miller and a first. Take Iguodala and the 2 firsts (still leaving us with one), and I'm sure that could land us a top 5 pick.

[corwin]

Just looked at the GS payroll. It's estimated to be about $47 million w/o Ellis or Biedrins for just 8 guys. Their fans are hoping that 1st year salaries for the 2 guys go for a combined $16 - $18 million which gets them pretty close to the luxury threshold. Ed could go hard for either player with front-loaded contracts & either sign/trade Iguodala or sign them outright. Maybe GS will even send the #14 pick for the Utah pick if Philly leaves them alone. Food for thought. Get it done Ed.

[is1531]

I'm banking on Monta, Childress, Thad, and Frye to increase their production by being given a larger role and also having another year of NBA experience under their belt. I see Monta being the next Michael Redd sort of player that everyone is aware is very talented but no one foreseen that he could average 25+ppg once he became "The Man" on a team. He's still only 22 years of age. averaging 20.2ppg 5rbd 3.9ass on .531% shooting. I would overpay to sign him away from GS.

All of these moves were designed not to sign Iguodala to anything more than the qualifying offer. If no one wants to trade for him and ink him to a deal then we'll keep him for the season and allow Iggy to walk afterwards.

If their is any chance of getting Monte Ellis, you have to do it. This guy is the host with the most. He fits Philadelphia perefectly. Philadelphia is a city that loves electric players, just look at the history and you will will see that is a fact.


Can Monte Ellis be the number 1 lethal weapon in Philadelphia? The answer is a simple yes. He has a way of leaving defenders biting the dust. He is not a good 3 point shooter, but the 76ers can pick up a early 2nd round pick and draft Shan Foster, which would take care of that problem.


One other thing; Childress scores over 11 points a game, but it is very misleading in a very positive way. He does so many things well. You tend not to look at his scoring average. Childress makes an impact in the game when he is on the court. He is the all purpose man. I still hope Speights is there at 16, but I doubt it. Sacramento has me worried at 12.

[is1531]

Ellis would be a great fit on this team. We need a scorer in the worst way and he'll definetly give us 20-25 ppg as the main option. Childress I have always been high on, and the only reason he isnt a starter because of Atlantas drafting style. We sign those 2 players, and trade Iguodala for Mayo, and this team is stacked for the future. I dont see Lou fitting on this team tho if we sign Ellis, too similar, and do we really need to take that cap space hit in the future? Sign and trade him for a first.

I dont know much about Frye. He's in Portland, so I've probably seen Koby Karl play more. His offnse wouldnt hurt in that lineup bc he would be good as a 5th option. I think we could get him for Miller and a first. Take Iguodala and the 2 firsts (still leaving us with one), and I'm sure that could land us a top 5 pick.

Well stated

[is1531]

Just looked at the GS payroll. It's estimated to be about $47 million w/o Ellis or Biedrins for just 8 guys. Their fans are hoping that 1st year salaries for the 2 guys go for a combined $16 - $18 million which gets them pretty close to the luxury threshold. Ed could go hard for either player with front-loaded contracts & either sign/trade Iguodala or sign them outright. Maybe GS will even send the #14 pick for the Utah pick if Philly leaves them alone. Food for thought. Get it done Ed.

GS has their back to the wall and they did not make the playoffs. They may have to dump the Baron and his 16-17 milliom contract, if they find a taker. The 76ers must bring out all guns blazing for Monte Ellis.. Ellis has a killer game. I think He would help us immensely against Detriot and everybody else.

[SouthJersey]

Didnt see this already posted, but I agree that Iggy to te Wolves for the 3rd is a good trade. One Mchale may bite on.

[is1531]

Would Minnesota take Iggy for the 3rd pck? McHale has had a history of making suspect trades, and theoretically, Iggy could play SG for them. I know Minnesota wants a center, but there should be some available at 16 if the sixers gave the wolves their 1st. There it is. How can Minnesota urn that down?

He might have to ask brother Danny Ainge first. Afterall, they both colluded together to help get Boston back to the top. Right now, Boston is on their way to a title.

I think Iggy by himself is worth the 3rd or 4th pick. How many players in this draft can put up numbers that Iggy just put up. Minnesota is going back to the lottery in 2009 barring a miracle.

[SendEm]

As far as Childress scoring is concerned, if Andre Iguodala averaged 19.9ppg in the NBA then Childress can do the same. In addition to Childress doing everything on offense better than Iggy the fact is that he averaged 11.8ppg in 29.9 minutes off of the bench, last season 13ppg in 36.8 minutes off of the bench. All the while he was never any higher than the 3rd option. Iguodala as the second option with Iverson here was in that 13-15ppg range but the MAJOR difference is that Childress is a much better shooter and finisher who isn't just a fastbreak freak, pull up jump shooter, and would be "playmaker" like Iggy..