Who would you keep, who would you trade:

[MrDollarBills]

I once saw Boone shoot a jumper and the whole first row had to duck for cover

[Serpo]

He even hit some of the few jumpers he took . His shot isn't looking bad with some work on he should be able to hit them with regularity .

[S.I.C. GM]

I once saw Boone shoot a jumper and the whole first row had to duck for cover

People dont remember that look he would get when he is open by the free throw line.

He would look around and think to himself --" You guys better come and help. I cant hit these shots."

[lurkingobeiscity]

I don't especially get why everyone thinks S.Will has so much more potential then Boone.

Contrary to popular myth on this board, Sean cannot shoot worth a lick, cannot defend anyone man to man, has about as much handle as Adonal Foyle, has the footwork of a toddler, has close to no post game, doesn't have great hands and he is more akward then Napolean Dynamite at prom.


What he can do is block a ton of shots on the helpside, rebound quite well, even though he doesn't get very good positioning, finishes in the lane with authority, and has very above average passing skills for a big man.

To those who say he may wake up one morning at the 3, you sound like a delisional Knicks fan.

If Boone could learn how to consistantly finish at the rim, and just develop around 2 to 3 basic, but effective and consistant low post moves and a jumper out to about 10 feet he would be on a completely different level compared to a lot of the league, let alone Sean.


He could probrably throw on about 15 pounds without negatively effecting any area of his game as well, while Sean is a toothpick.

Sean can't shoot a lick yet he shot a higher percentage of jumpers than Josh Boone and shot a better eFG% on jumpers.

And if Sean has no post game, what does Boone have? Neither of them were asked to create offense last year, but in the rare cases in which they tried, Sean showed much more skill in a getting a good shot off. As far as handle, Sean showed in the rookie game that he actually can dribble the ball very well.

Why is it that Boone can gain weight but Sean can't?

Sean has a lot more potential because he is more athletic and shows some proficiency scoring down low against defenders due to his length.

[NjNeTs1029]

josh boone at the free throw line makes my head hurt.

[MrDollarBills]

Looks like he makes the rim hurt too

[Preludepunk27]

No offense if Thorn wanted to package S-Will for Charlie V, I'd give the green light if the draft panned out to how I wanted. I of course would try to package #40 with S-Will first. Then offer Dallas' 2010 pick before I eventually offered #21 if I had to. If we got a deal that kept our #21, we could get Rush or that crazy kid from France whose name is escaping me right now and be happy with our draft.

Charlie V would provide length and athleticism and the ability to play the 3 and 4. This of course would be what I would do if Randolph fell to us. I personally think Randolph has a much better upside than S-Will. If Randolph doesn't fall to us, I would pass.

As for Boone, he fills a more important role on our team right now. We don't have a low post defensive banger as of today but he is clearly are best on our roster right now. He's got a high basketball IQ and knows how to finish around the hoop. The kid is still young, he can develop his 10-15' jumper and foul shooting over time...just like S-Will can learn that he needs more than athleticism to make it in the NBA. I'm just saying, if we got Randolph, and I had to choose S-Will or Boone, I'd personally pack Williams bags. Problem is, too many people in this world choose Athleticism over fundamentals which isn't my cup of tea.

I'm just saying if the Draft well the way I wanted it to, I would value Boone on our roster over Williams.

And honestly, until he starts showing development on a consistant basis, Williams is basically a younger Stromile Swift to me.

[S.I.C. GM]

And honestly, until he starts showing development on a consistant basis, Williams is basically a younger Stromile Swift to me.

You do remember this was his Rookie year.

IMO he has shown us more versatility in his rookie year then Boone has. Yeah Boone is our new banger since Twin is gone, but if thorn gives Diop some $$$$ then there goes your argument.

As far as finish around the basket, yeah boone is good with that. The problme with that is if he isnt part of a pick and roll or getting garbage points, ne has no offensive game. Yeah he can develop a jump shot, but S.Will already has it. S.Will needs some development too, but when all is said and done, S.Will will have a better career. Unless he gets pulled over for possession of weed.

[TheGrowth]

Boone

[Preludepunk27]

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You do remember this was his Rookie year.

IMO he has shown us more versatility in his rookie year then Boone has. Yeah Boone is our new banger since Twin is gone, but if thorn gives Diop some $$$$ then there goes your argument.

As far as finish around the basket, yeah boone is good with that. The problme with that is if he isnt part of a pick and roll or getting garbage points, ne has no offensive game. Yeah he can develop a jump shot, but S.Will already has it. S.Will needs some development too, but when all is said and done, S.Will will have a better career. Unless he gets pulled over for possession of weed.

Well if S-Will turns into Stro, your argument is pretty gone as well. Plus Diop didn't really cut into Boone's playing time a whole lot after the trade. I doubt Diop will be a Net next year, but even if he does, it doesn't really bode well for S-Will either in terms of getting on the court too.

You guys also do remember Boone hasn't played a full season yet. He's had surgeries before his rookie campaign and last offseason and I feel he acclimated himself in our offense even in his rookie season (remember he was getting solid minutes towards the end of the season his rookie year) while S-Will started hot then teams got used to his playing style and his low bball IQ made him a non-factor. I know Frank has something to do with it as well but I'm just saying this guy was touted as an athletic freak as much as Stro was coming out of college. Regardless of his rookie campaign, if I had to pick a player that could contribute NOW, Boone is on my roster over Williams every day of the week.

If we had a few years to wait for him, I'm fine keeping him on the bench and developing. On the other hand, if we're truly rebuilding on the fly and making a push for the playoffs now just like Thorn has been saying, Boone gets the spot. Garbage points or not, he finishes around the basket. That's his job. He's the #5 scoring option on the floor whenever he's on the floor. Not many teams in the league have a roster like the suns where everyone on the floor can hit a 15' jumper. As long as we have shooters on the floor and him underneath grabbing rebounds, the fact he doesn't have a shot outside of 10' really is a moot point when he does everything else on offense and defense (sans shot blocking even though he's not too shabby) better than S-Will. All Boone needs to do is learn how to shoot 65% from the foul line and S-Will gets shipped out to any team that wants him that can give us something of value.

[lurkingobeiscity]

If we had a few years to wait for him, I'm fine keeping him on the bench and developing. On the other hand, if we're truly rebuilding on the fly and making a push for the playoffs now just like Thorn has been saying, Boone gets the spot. Garbage points or not, he finishes around the basket. That's his job. He's the #5 scoring option on the floor whenever he's on the floor. Not many teams in the league have a roster like the suns where everyone on the floor can hit a 15' jumper. As long as we have shooters on the floor and him underneath grabbing rebounds, the fact he doesn't have a shot outside of 10' really is a moot point when he does everything else on offense and defense (sans shot blocking even though he's not too shabby) better than S-Will. All Boone needs to do is learn how to shoot 65% from the foul line and S-Will gets shipped out to any team that wants him that can give us something of value.

Boone will never be more than a rotational big man. Sean may not amount to more than that either but he has a chance. I don't understand why people would want to ship Sean out at all. Even if we draft a PF early this year I would keep him as part of the rotation.

There is no reason why we can't keep both guys. I wouldn't trade either for Charlie V straight up. Why not let both guys develop? They're on rookie contracts and already play roles on this team.

[Serpo]

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There is no reason why we can't keep both guys. I wouldn't trade either for Charlie V straight up. Why not let both guys develop? They're on rookie contracts and already play roles on this team.

QFT .

And btw we pick a PF not because the managment doesn't like Josh and Sean but because Diop will be gone , Swift is useless and you just don't know what's going to happen with Nenad .

[S.I.C. GM]

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Well if S-Will turns into Stro, your argument is pretty gone as well. Plus Diop didn't really cut into Boone's playing time a whole lot after the trade. I doubt Diop will be a Net next year, but even if he does, it doesn't really bode well for S-Will either in terms of getting on the court too.

Comparing S.Will to Stro is waste of time. Stro was the #2 pick. The expectations for him far outweight those of S.Will. If we keep Diop, I am not worried about S.Will's time because he is more of an athletic big.

If we had a few years to wait for him, I'm fine keeping him on the bench and developing. On the other hand, if we're truly rebuilding on the fly and making a push for the playoffs now just like Thorn has been saying, Boone gets the spot. Garbage points or not, he finishes around the basket. That's his job. He's the #5 scoring option on the floor whenever he's on the floor. Not many teams in the league have a roster like the suns where everyone on the floor can hit a 15' jumper. As long as we have shooters on the floor and him underneath grabbing rebounds, the fact he doesn't have a shot outside of 10' really is a moot point when he does everything else on offense and defense (sans shot blocking even though he's not too shabby) better than S-Will. All Boone needs to do is learn how to shoot 65% from the foul line and S-Will gets shipped out to any team that wants him that can give us something of value.

Actually we do have a few years, 2010.

Not having a jump shot isnt a moot point. It is fundamentals. As far as Boone is better that is your opinion. If both are there next year, we shall see. Boone has been with the team for two years. I hope S.Will gets a second year to prove he is better.

[Preludepunk27]

I'm cool with our difference in opinion. I still do value S-Will as a player and a project. The question is that I interpretted the beginning of the thread as if you had to keep one now, who would help us out more now than later. I'm the kind of guy who chooses fundamentals over athleticism every day of the week (which is odd that I had the Spurs) so Boone gets my vote.

In terms of who will help us out the greatest over the majority of both of their careers, you can't deny that S-Will is tempting as all hell. He would be our version of Andrey Blatche I guess if we were willing to take all the time in the world to see what he's got.

And with the Stro/S-Will comparison, you forget that a) that draft Stro came out was horrible that's why he went that high and b) all critics said if it wasn't for S-Will's troubles, no doubt he would have gone some where in the top 10. They're similar players: All the athleticism in the world but low IQ. Williams definitely has shown he's a little smarter. Let's just hope he continues to develop or hope that Thorn/Kiki ship him out when they think his value is at his highest before he turns into Stro.

[EFF]

Sean hands down. I'm all about potential and athleticism in this league.
Boone's not getting that much better. His D is soft as is his overall play. His hands are weak. I've never seen him grab a tough rebound.

We can pick up a role player like him anywhere so I think taking the risk on Sean is worth it whether it's a success or not.

[MrDollarBills]

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Actually we do have a few years, 2010.

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What happens in 2010? Besides the pipe dream of Lebron James playing in a Nets uniform being shattered into a million pieces?

[Preludepunk27]

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What happens in 2010? Besides the pipe dream of Lebron James playing in a Nets uniform being shattered into a million pieces?

We're gonna pass on Lebron and try to resurrect Darius Miles' career in 2010

[Serpo]

We're going to sign Andrea Bargnani to a max contract to help us win a championship with his 40% Shooting and 4 rebounds per game ...

[S.I.C. GM]

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What happens in 2010? Besides the pipe dream of Lebron James playing in a Nets uniform being shattered into a million pieces?

We have a party for VC's contract expiring.

[mack69]

Can anyone explain to me the fascination with Charlie V. Although, Im in Boone's favor no way in the world im moving Swill for this guy.