WCF: LA Lakers vs. San Antonio - Series LAL wins (4-1)

[eatyourchildren]

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well I realize that..but I figure you guys know more about Odom and Gasol's defense than I do..would Gasol be quick enough to give Garnett any trouble on the mid-range? would Odom be strong enough to handle him when he goes into the post?..

If past games are any indication, Odom really lights up when he goes up against KG for some reason. I've seen them trade buckets on more than a few occasions. But no, I don't think Odom will be much of a KG-stopper, but he will be able to deter KG just on the basis of his length and quickness. Odom is at his worst when he is chasing a dribble drive, but KG hardly ever does that.

[magicfan4life05]

If the Lakers win the championship this year... I can see a Jordan-like run over the next 3-5 years... Next year I think will be complete domination by the Lakers on the way to the title... We're something like 33-6 with Pau Gasol in the lineup and the last 14 games have been against playoff teams/50 win teams... And next season adding Bynum to the mix? who was averaging 17, 11, 3 on 64% over his last month... I think the Lakers have a legitimate shot at 70 wins next season.. And I think Kobe will have around 6 rings when its all said and done

I agree, barring injury, it's going to be scary

Broussard puts it best

Vahe (Glendale): Should the Lakers try and trade Bynum for a top 2 pick? How about Rose alongside Kobe?

SportsNation Chris Broussard: (2:45 PM ET ) The Lakers shouldn't do a darn thing, except wait for Big Bynum to heal up. Why would you want to mess with what they've got right now? They could win a title this year, and then with Bynum, they'll be much, much better. They'll be both a finesse team AND a power team! They're going to be unstoppable.

[Kobay]

Spurs FT shooting was lights out, it was as if they knew they were gonna get to the line and practiced....jk

Lakers hustled on the boards which is a rarety and won it because of that. I think TImmy should just shoot the mid range and stop trying to draw fouls in the post and just go straight up. No ones trying to foul him. Sometimes kobe does it to, but all he should od is just go straight up and shoot it. I guess great players think alike.

[semi-sentient]

Chris Broussard hit the nail on the head.

We have all the components needed to dominate the hell out of the league, so no changes need to be made. Personally, I would bring Bynum in behind Pau so that we can give our bigs more of a rest, not to mention having him on the 2nd unit means he will tear opposing centers a new a-hole. On the other hand, having him play next to Pau has certain benefits as well.

Whatever the case, Bynum is a keeper. The only problem that this team really has is that we have a log jam at certain spots, most notably SF. With Radman and Walton under contract for the next 50 years, they aren't going anywhere. However, we still have Trevor Ariza, who I'd like to see getting the remaining playing time behind Radman (assuming he doesn't start), which means we'd have Walton riding pine while getting paid more than he's worth. I suppose it's a good problem to have.

[ChampionRed]

It's just so obvious, and you can see it in Kobe's eyes, that losing is not an option for him and he really believes that this is their year. Every time Kobe touches the ball it seems like he makes the big basket. I know thats an obvious statement to make but I know personally, I feel the Lakers can not be stopped this year.

[CITYOFANGELSX3]

They still got 5 wins to go, far from over.

[Tesla]

I'll tell you two things:

- Manu is terrible, and has cost SA this series.
- Duncan is petrified of Gasol inside. Pau has him on lock.

Whaaaat?

[JDawg]

HUGE shout out to Spurs fans, particularly

HarlemHeat

and

Magz50

Extremely classy of you guys to admit what happened last game was not a rob by the lakers. They did really deserve to win.

Also, Harlem, BRO, your words were music to my ears. I have been waiting for someone who plays for hte opposition, someone impartial to finally say what Ive been saying.

That Gasol and Odom, while good players are NOT NEARLY what the media is making them out to be. Kobe and PJ make these guys look like all world man.

I mean Harlem, honestly, who scares you more going into a game: David West OR Lamar Odom.

I mean jeesh. imagine the open shots Odom was getting and doenst take cause he has no shot going to a guy like David West. WOW.

And Gasol???? Bro, a healthy Bynum over him IN a heartbeat. BAsically, Pau has scored on Duncan in a one on one situation about 5 times ALL SERIES. Duncan has LITERALLY AND FIGURATIVELY shut him down on offense, defense AND rebounding. AT least Bynum would have held his own on D and boards.

GAsol could be replaced by any able bodied NBA Power Forward man. Elton Brand. JO. Rasheed. CRap, I mean what exactly has the man done.

Put up 10 and 7 and 10 and 10 in consecutive games. He's a great passer. Wow. That outta be do it.

I mean here's the thing. You can replace Odom and GAsol with about 30 other players league wide and this team is right where its at AND MORE.

Imagine Duncan in place of Gasol. OR KG in place of Gasol. ETc. Imagine other thrid options instead of Odom.

BUT, how many guys can you HONESTLY replace Kobe with and say, they'd be up 3-1 against the Spurs. Lebron maybe??? Except the problem there is he cant shoot jumpers and the Spurs are the masters of basically making you a one dimensional. The only difference is Kobe is shooting like 55% for the series while commanding soft doubles and getting to his spots that Im not sure evne Lebron could have the Lakers in this position.

So who exactly replaces Kobe on this team and has them where they are???

[JDawg]

J23F you have LOST it in your desire to minimize Kobe.

LOL. Duncan afraid of GAsol.

Imagien this team:

Duncan
Odom
Vlad
Kobe
Fisher

vs.

Gasol
Oberto
Bowen
Manu
Parker

Can someone tell me how freaking BADLY we would creamate the crap out of them????

To even INSINUATE that Duncan and Gasol are on the same level shows just how much you DESPISE Kobe and will minimize his accomplishments in order to exalt his teammates.

I'll tell you this.

If you replaced Kobe and Jordan, the Lakers wouldnt be up 3-1 bro. They just wouldnt. I dont care HOW MUCH you love Jordan. HIs temas were STACKED defensively AND on the boards.

He wouldnt have shot well enough vs. this Spurs defense with the amount of ZERO FT Attempts Kobe has gotten to get the job done bro.

You dont like to hear that about your hero, but its true.

Im convinced now more than ever. IF the laker WIN the title this yera with THIS TEAM, Kobe could have replaced Jordan in ANY YEAR that Jordan won the title and not only have also won with the Bulls, but might have done so even more convincingly.

Lets not forget who was on those teams pal.

Odom aint no Pippen
Gasol aint no Rodman

We dont ahve a Luc Longely OR a Toni Kukoc.

Dont kid yourself pal. There aint enough D on this laker team to make it happen. But if they somehow STILL get it done, that tells me all I need to know about just what a legend Kobe really is.

[TommyTheCat]

J23F you have LOST it in your desire to minimize Kobe.

LOL. Duncan afraid of GAsol.

Imagien this team:

Duncan
Odom
Vlad
Kobe
Fisher

vs.

Gasol
Oberto
Bowen
Manu
Parker

Can someone tell me how freaking BADLY we would creamate the crap out of them????

To even INSINUATE that Duncan and Gasol are on the same level shows just how much you DESPISE Kobe and will minimize his accomplishments in order to exalt his teammates.

I'll tell you this.

If you replaced Kobe and Jordan, the Lakers wouldnt be up 3-1 bro. They just wouldnt. I dont care HOW MUCH you love Jordan. HIs temas were STACKED defensively AND on the boards.

He wouldnt have shot well enough vs. this Spurs defense with the amount of ZERO FT Attempts Kobe has gotten to get the job done bro.

You dont like to hear that about your hero, but its true.

Im convinced now more than ever. IF the laker WIN the title this yera with THIS TEAM, Kobe could have replaced Jordan in ANY YEAR that Jordan won the title and not only have also won with the Bulls, but might have done so even more convincingly.

Lets not forget who was on those teams pal.

Odom aint no Pippen
Gasol aint no Rodman

We dont ahve a Luc Longely OR a Toni Kukoc.

Dont kid yourself pal. There aint enough D on this laker team to make it happen. But if they somehow STILL get it done, that tells me all I need to know about just what a legend Kobe really is.

please don't pull out a comparison of kobe and jordan. there are way too many threads already about those two and who can pee up the wall further.

[JordansBulls]

J23F you have LOST it in your desire to minimize Kobe.

LOL. Duncan afraid of GAsol.

Imagien this team:

Duncan
Odom
Vlad
Kobe
Fisher

vs.

Gasol
Oberto
Bowen
Manu
Parker

Can someone tell me how freaking BADLY we would creamate the crap out of them????

To even INSINUATE that Duncan and Gasol are on the same level shows just how much you DESPISE Kobe and will minimize his accomplishments in order to exalt his teammates.

I'll tell you this.

If you replaced Kobe and Jordan, the Lakers wouldnt be up 3-1 bro. They just wouldnt. I dont care HOW MUCH you love Jordan. HIs temas were STACKED defensively AND on the boards.

He wouldnt have shot well enough vs. this Spurs defense with the amount of ZERO FT Attempts Kobe has gotten to get the job done bro.

You dont like to hear that about your hero, but its true.

Im convinced now more than ever. IF the laker WIN the title this yera with THIS TEAM, Kobe could have replaced Jordan in ANY YEAR that Jordan won the title and not only have also won with the Bulls, but might have done so even more convincingly.

Lets not forget who was on those teams pal.

Odom aint no Pippen
Gasol aint no Rodman

We dont ahve a Luc Longely OR a Toni Kukoc.

Dont kid yourself pal. There aint enough D on this laker team to make it happen. But if they somehow STILL get it done, that tells me all I need to know about just what a legend Kobe really is.

Really!!

Kobe this year in the playoffs is finally getting what Jordan averaged for his career in the playoffs. Also Kobe lost with HC Advantage to a team that didn't even have a star in Detroit where they were heavily favorite.

Jordan never lost with HC Advantage, Kobe has.

If you replace Kobe with Wade the Lakers win 4-5 titles in row. Afterall he won with a Shaq past his prime and dominated the finals, which is something Kobe has yet to do.

[Original Baller]

I'll tell you two things:

- Manu is terrible, and has cost SA this series.
- Duncan is petrified of Gasol inside. Pau has him on lock.

LOL

I was wondering how you were going to minimize Kobe's impact in this series. You once again prove your Kobe hating prowess.

I just have one question for you Jordan worshipper.

How does it feel to know Kobe Bryant is most likely on his way to his 4th nba title at the tender age of 29. And next year will get a beast in Bynum back?

I'm putting the over and under on 4 titles for Kobe over the next 6 years.

Which will you take?

[BallAboveAll]

Wow. Gasol and Odom are both very vital pieces to our team. Gasol may be soft but so what. He makes up for it. There's a reason why we have a really good record with him because he blends in with the offense. You could not put 30 other guys in his position and expect the same results.

Although he may not be the most physically imposing and quickest big man, he has a great basketball IQ and really is unselfish.

Say what you want about Odom but he gives a great defensive effort and has adjusted his game. To me he could put up so much more offensively but it's really not his agenda. To say you can plug any guy in for what Odom does is an insult.

[Original Baller]

Really!!

Kobe this year in the playoffs is finally getting what Jordan averaged for his career in the playoffs. Also Kobe lost with HC Advantage to a team that didn't even have a star in Detroit where they were heavily favorite.

Jordan never lost with HC Advantage, Kobe has.

Why are you and Jordan23forever always in Lakers/Kobe related threads?

I've just always wondered that. I would assume as Jordan worshipers you guys would be Bulls fans.....Maybe?

Anyways I wanna know how does it feel as a well known Kobe hater/Jordan lover to know that Kobe Bryant is most likely on his way to his 4th nba title at the tender age of 29. And next year with Bynum back, he set to go on a Jordan-esque run over the next 5-6 years winning maybe 3 or 4 more titles?

How does it feel knowing that Kobe is well on the path toward challenging Jordan as the GOAT?

[JordansBulls]

LOL

I was wondering how you were going to minimize Kobe's impact in this series. You once again prove your Kobe hating prowess.

I just have one question for you Jordan worshipper.

How does it feel to know Kobe Bryant is most likely on his way to his 4th nba title at the tender age of 29. And next year will get a beast in Bynum back?

I'm putting the over and under on 4 titles for Kobe over the next 6 years.

Which will you take?

Tony Parker has 3 rings at 25 and a Finals MVP, so what, he still has a chance to win 3+ more rings.

[Chubby Chaser]

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Just like how wade led his team to the lottery this season IN THE EAST. While Kobe led a lesser with Smush Parker at point, Luke Walton at SF and KWAME FREAAKIN BOWN and Center to the 7th seed in the west and pushed the Suns to a 7 game series. Get out of here with that crap.

All these jordan fans are nervous now that kobe finally has a legit squad around him and is going to threaten now for GOAT. He's 4 rings away from doing it. Which is reachable IMO.

[JordansBulls]

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Why are you and Jordan23forever always in Lakers/Kobe related threads?

I've just always wondered that. I would assume as Jordan worshipers you guys would be Bulls fans.....Maybe?

Anyways I wanna know how does it feel as a well known Kobe hater/Jordan lover to know that Kobe Bryant is most likely on his way to his 4th nba title at the tender age of 29. And next year with Bynum back, he set to go on a Jordan-esque run over the next 5-6 years winning maybe 3 or 4 more titles?

How does it feel knowing that Kobe is well on the path toward challenging Jordan as the GOAT?

Actually go back to the beginning of this thread and see how I responded and then look at the last 2 pages and see how I responded to Jdawg. You will see who provoked whom and why I answered the way I did. I have nothing against Kobe, but don't me crap about how all of a sudden Kobe would win easily with the Bulls in the 90's when he still hasn't won as the best on his team and when his best playoff is as good as MJ's career average playoff.

[JordansBulls]

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Just like how wade led his team to the lottery this season IN THE EAST. While Kobe led a lesser with Smush Parker at point, Luke Walton at SF and KWAME FREAAKIN BOWN and Center to the 7th seed in the west and pushed the Suns to a 7 game series. Get out of here with that crap.

All we know is that Wade won the title as the best player on the team and carried his team to the title putting up a historic finals.

also you are not pushing a team to 7 games, when you are up 3-1. It is basically considered choking.

[Original Baller]

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Actually go back to the beginning of this thread and see how I responded and then look at the last 2 pages and see how I responded to Jdawg. You will see who provoked whom and why I answered the way I did. I have nothing against Kobe, but don't me crap about how all of a sudden Kobe would win easily with the Bulls in the 90's when he still hasn't won as the best on his team and when his best playoff is as good as MJ's career average playoff.

Kobe makin u mad right now eh?

real talk though

Will you give Kobe credit if he wins a title THIS YEAR with THIS TEAM as "the guy"?

[astrallite]

Lol Jordan is considered the best because he lead his team to 6 titles...just like Duncan's pedigree as the greatest PF ever comes from leading his team to 4 titles...

Better is a subjective term...better in what way...they are the biggest winners...

This isn't about who would win in a 1 on 1 shootout in streetball or who would win in a isolation contest...you could probably find players that would beat Jordan or Duncan 10/10 times in street ball...hell when did Jordan stop Penny Hardaway? When did Duncan ever stop Shaq?

Jordan is a bigger winner than Kobe right now...simple as that...Kobe can match that if he wins a few titles as the leader of his team...its that simple too...

As far as team composition, both teams were completely different...Kobe has a better offensive team...guys are more versatile...Jordan was on a team that often struggled offensively but their defense and rebounding was unrivaled. The teams were constructed with different philosophies in mind. Who would do better in either situation is a wild guess.