Time to trade Marvin NOW!!!!!

[tontoz]

Tontoz- I just didn't realize you were arguing over semantics. I at least thought you were trying to make an argument about basketball. So sorry- my bad. Next time you have an issue with my semantics I will happily let you think whatever you like.

I made it very clear what i was aruing about Mr Strawman.

Since you seem to be unable to make a coherent argument allow me to assist you.

Your initial response to LL should have been something like "Marvin has been in the league 3 years and has done nothing to suggest it is likely, let alone a sure thing, that he will become a dangerous 3 pt shooter."

See how easy it is to make a strawfree argument?

Since you want to talk basketball i have a question for you. Are there any players on the Hawks you actually like? If there are you have done a very good job keeping it a secret.

[bisonbluu]

Dont understand all the hate for Marvin. He just completed his 1st full season and had a big game in the playoffs. He certainly needs alot of work, but again, how many other guys are better after Year 1?

And dont compare Horford to Marvin. Horford benefits from playing center. He's under the basket where his strength and athleticism benefit him the most. If he played PF, his random jumper and raw moves would be exposed.

Marvin's footwork and handle are suspect, but are things that he can improve upon. You cant teach 6'9, 240 capable of playing 2,3,4. Thats the vision for Marvin. So he's not there yet, and after only one year of college as a Sixth Man did you really expect him to be that much further along?

Maybe a little but again, he missed most of season one and most of season two, so he doesnt have the big games under his belt.

The biggest problem here is we will never get equal value and to trade him off so soon is only benefitting other organizations with the patience to develop him properly.

Right now we are all a bit dissapointed in Marvin, but you cant trade him for Beasley or Rose straight up, and he's better than all the rest so send him to one of those combine schools and make him do drills all summer.

[Fast_Feets]

Its funny looking at this thread. The raps fans think Marvin is the answer and are arguing to trade either tj or jose for marvin. You guys are saying hes mediocre and average and you should ship him out for his potential and see if someone bites.

Definately worth a laugh in my books.

[raleigh]

Its funny looking at this thread. The raps fans think Marvin is the answer and are arguing to trade either tj or jose for marvin. You guys are saying hes mediocre and average and you should ship him out for his potential and see if someone bites.

Definately worth a laugh in my books.

Jose>Marvin>Ford

To me, that's the current "value chain."

[raferfenix]

bucks fan here----I really like the idea of a bibby/marvin package for Redd, and I can see the bucks including more to do it. would us adding in CV or maybe even a pick swap convince you to pull the trigger/

[raleigh]

Taking Claxton would be the one thing that would make that deal palatable to the Hawks' bottom line, IMHO.

[tontoz]

Taking Claxton would be the one thing that would make that deal palatable to the Hawks' bottom line, IMHO.

Bibby and Marvin make about $20 million combined. They Bucks would have to add another contract to make that deal work. I can't see Speedy being part of the deal.

[killbuckner]

I don't particularly see why the Hawks would care about getting rid of Claxton at this point. Its highly likely that he will be off of the cap by next offseason and the Hawks aren't going to have any room this offseason regardless.

[killbuckner]

And Tontoz- thank you for your suggestion on semantics.

[tontoz]

And Tontoz- thank you for your suggestion on semantics.

Any time Strawmeister. It is nice to see you actually know the word semantics. It has a full 3 syllables. Congrats.

Funny you decided not to try and name any players on the Hawks you actually like. You seem to consider yourself an impartial observer but impartial observers generally have positive and negative things to say.

condescending trolls just like to post negative things.

[raleigh]

I don't particularly see why the Hawks would care about getting rid of Claxton at this point. Its highly likely that he will be off of the cap by next offseason and the Hawks aren't going to have any room this offseason regardless.

Claxton is reportedly making yet another comeback, according to the AJC blog.

Methinks that $5M would make it a lot easier to swallow Redd's deal next year.

Bibby/Marvin/Claxton -for- Redd/Mason/Villanueva is a better deal from the Hawks' financial perspective, something that is often overlooked here.

[killbuckner]

Either Claxton plays a signficant number of games this year and then he isn't dead money anymore or he is completely off the cap. He is far more of a risk to every team other than the Hawks- if he retires then his new team wouldn't get any cap relief