Rebounding = Overrated!

[PPAW4Life]

We out rebounded them by nearly 2 times as much and we win by 4 points?

Turnovers = Underrated!

Our FIVE huge 4th quarter turnovers killed our 15 point lead.

[TommyPoints]

It isn't overrated, but yeah if you turn the ball over it doesn't do a whole lot of good. Pistons hit some big shots.

[triplet1984]

Um those rebounds were a huge reason why you were able to jump out to the lead in the first place.

[Datruth345]

i dont think its a relevation that total rebounds are less a factor than a bunch of turnovers in the fourth quarter

[sully00]

Couldn't you have made these points in one thread?

Beyond that rebounding is not overrated, it just isn't greater than shaky offense, bad defense, terrible refs, and great 3pt shooting.

[Fencer reregistered]

I don't think the refs were that bad. They were ghastly in one early stretch, to the Cs' great disadvantage, but even to mildly favorable toward the Cs -- and generally better -- most of the rest of the game.

[sully00]

I thought they were awful, both ways I guess, but awful. I can handle calling it tight or letting them play but the crazy flagrant call on PJ Brown a series of three non contact fouls on the C's. Then Hunter is out there playing Georgetown defense and he doesn't even pick up a foul until the second half. The two techs on Sheed and Perk were crap. I just hate NBA refs right now, because we have to talk about them. Stern needs to have a "you ain't the show" meeting with these clowns before the **** up a great postseason. Just call the game don't impact it.

[tlee324]

I thought the rebounding was what won us the game, ultimately. We had more attempts and more FG's made, which means we had more possessions, and that's primarily due to having the ball more..... from rebounding well.

The rebounding and having more possessions overcame the FT advantage and the 3-pt advantage of the pistons.

[Al-Haqq]

I've always thought the 3 biggest things are:

FT's, rebounding and turnovers.

[BigHands]

Rebounding by itself is just a stat, but is a critical component of controlling the paint....and that is what wins titles...always has.

Rebounding covers mistakes. Turnovers and bad shooting can be mitigated by controlling the boards as it limits other teams shots and allows your team to take more shots.

High rebound totals also usually mean tough position inside which leads to free throws and foul trouble for the other team.

Sorry for the formatting but below is the box score for one of the biggest games in Celtics history.

Game 4 of the 1984 finals when the Green, lucky to be down just 2-1, took back home court advantage and quenched the Laker's fire....the game where McHale clothes-lined Rambus

The Lakers shot 59% from the floor and lost the game because Boston took 26 more shots.

Check out the offensive rebounds. Bird shot like Antoine Walker that game but he killed the Lakers on the boards and that helped get him to the FT line.

Rebounds alone win nothing but very rarely does a team win without winning the boards.

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BOSTON     MN FG-FGA FT-FTA 0R DR RB AS PF ST TO BL PTS
Maxwell   40  3-6    5-7    1  2  3  4  3  2  2  0  11
Bird       49  9-24  10-10   9 12 21  2  4  3  3  0  29
Parish      37 11-23   3-3    6  6 12  2  6  3  2  2  25
D. Johnson   50  9-23   4-4    2  0  2 14  4  0  2  0  22
Henderson   25  5-10   3-5    1  1  2  3  1  4  2  0  13
McHale       34  3-13   3-4    5  3  8  2  4  0  2  1   9
Ainge       10  4-7    1-2    0  0  0  0  3  2  0  0   9
Buckner        3  0-0    0-0    0  0  0  0  1  0  0  0   0
Wedman      14  2-2    0-0    2  1  3  3  1  0  1  0   5
Kite          4  1-2    0-0    0  0  0  0  2  0  0  1   2
Carr         3  2-3    2-2    1  0  1  0  1  1  0  0   6
Team   
TOTALS      48-111 31-37  26 25 61 29 29 14 14  4 129
3-PT: Bird 1-3, Wedman 1-1
   
L.A.         MN FG-FGA FT-FTA 0R DR RB AS PF ST TO BL PTS
Rambis        25  4-5    1-4    2  4  6  0  2  0  1  1   9
Worthy        48 14-17   2-2    2  3  5  2  3  1  3  0  30
A-Jabbar    37 12-25   8-11   2  6  8  6  6  4  3  2  32
Cooper       47  4-8    2-4    0  1  1  6  3  0  0  0  10
E. Johnson   49  8-12   4-7    1 10 11 17  5  2  7  0  20
Scott          11  1-3    0-0    1  0  1  0  1  1  1  0   2
McAdoo      27  5-10   3-4    1  5  6  0  5  0  5  1  13
Nater      15  1-4    5-6    3  4  7  0  1  0  0  1   7
Wilkes      6  1-1    0-0    0  1  1  0  1  0  0  0   2
Team   
TOTALS      50-85  25-38  12 34 56 31 27  8 20  5 125
3-PT:  None   
   
Boston   32 26 30 25 16  129
Los Angeles 33 35 22 23 12  125
A-    17,505   






[Ant]

Offensive Rebounding = Underrrated.

Check the stats. It's not regular rebounds that kill a team. It's second chances that kill teams. OFFENSIVE REBOUNDS are ETHER.

[BigHands]

Offensive Rebounding = Underrrated.

Check the stats. It's not regular rebounds that kill a team. It's second chances that kill teams. OFFENSIVE REBOUNDS are ETHER.

True......but of course every defensive rebound a team gets is an offensive rebound denied to the the other team.

Rebounds are an important part of the big picture but almost no statistic stands alone.

[sully00]

The thing with stats is that it is key to not to get to wrapped up on the relevance of the stat to the winning or losing. Each thing tells you how a team is playing. Rebounds and FT's usually describe a team playing physical, assists show a team moving the ball on offense, steals show a team being active on defense. At the same time there can plenty of false positives, the Knicks are a roster full of them.

James Posey on nightly basis has shows us that stats don't tell the story. Sometimes you look at his box and he hasn't done a thing and he is a -14 and he did nothing but ball.