retooled: We got Beasley, we got Chalmers. What now?

[Flash3]

Continued from here.

[Flash3]

I still don't see a reason to trade for Boozer or Amare right now, when we have a chance to land them (with the right moves made) the following season, and still have a solid youngster in place to slot alongside Boozer or Amare, or another FA addition.

[GameTime_3]

I think it all depends on who we get in the draft. We get Beasley then Boozer is not needed but if Rose is the pick then we should consider trading Marion for boozer or going after him in 2009. Damn bulls!

[Iputsomepantson]

You don't see a reason to trade for Amare? Are you kidding me? If we can have Amare why would anyone pass up on that deal? The guy would dominate alongside Wade.

[heat4life]

I would be very curious to see if Amare's numbers would be the same in a team without a true PG like Nash. I mean Wade can get the ball to him but Wade's court vision is nowhere near Nash (not that many have it). Can Amare be a consistent post up threat?

[MartyConlonJr]

In all honesty I think Riley will wait till the trade deadline to make a decision on Marion unless he opts out or demands a trade.

1) If we are lighting the league on fire, Riley can keep him and take us to the playoffs with no problem, he can leave in the offseason or re-sign at a fair price (hardly any teams will have good money, and those teams will be as unwilling as us to offer big money)

2) If we are a borderline playoff team Riley can pull us into tanking mode with a Marion and Blount/Banks for Marbury/Lafrentz type of junk trade (or remove Blount/Banks and gain a draft pick) and try to shoot for the 10th pick or better, keeping the pick away from Minnesota and adding us another long term asset on the cheap.

3) If we are a borderline playoff team move Marion for a franchise type player (there will always be the inevitable disgruntled player like Garnett/Gasol/Iverson/Baron Davis etc etc) to make a final push for the playoff run, perhaps taking on additional years and setting the team up for the future

4) If we suck we can do as mentioned in #2, and go for broke on the tank job.

There will be the inevitable player trade rumblings, as well as teams that thought they could get it done and couldn't, going into a rebuild that want to dump good, but not great players, at the trade deadline.

[GameTime_3]

Draft-Beasley
Trade Marion,Banks For Marbury-2009 2round
Send (MLE) to Childress and see if he signs, If not then send a 4 year 16 million to Micheal Petrius.
We would be fighting for the playoffs and still have cap space.

C-Blount-Zo-Sasha Kaun(R)
PF-Haslem-Beasley(6th Man of the year)
SF-Dorrel-Petrius or Childress-Dorrel
SG-Wade-Cook
PG-Marbs-Quin

That backcourt would give up alot of points but also be nigtmare on offense. Marbs would spread the floor for wade and Beasley coming off the bench would let us us him at 3/4 depending the match. Also depending on how we are doing we could dangle Halsme/Blount at the deadline.

[CRHeel94]

Heck no on Marbury. Keep him far, far away from Wade.

[Heat11114]

I like the idea of Brand or Boozer more than Amare. Brand would be perfect next to Wade (and Beasley/Rose?).

Just some ideas...

1) Marion+Brand both opt out this year, we sign Brand with cap space this year. (ideal+unlikely option)

2) Marion+Brand both take their player options we let Marion go and sign Brand with cap space in 2009. (allows us to hold on to #2 pick, but we wait a year, risk Clippers offering extension)

3) Marion+#2 for Brand+#7 (+Future 1st? Maybe get rid of Banks contract? We could probably make something work)

[unowen85]

I would think the number two by itself should land the Heat Brand and the number seven, and I don't think Banks' contract is that much of a liability, so I'd probably have to ask the Clippers for their first rounder next season, top five protected, and either this year's second rounder, or that first round pick that Minnesota owes them that is top ten protected for a few years.

2 for Brand plus 7.
Marion for 1st rounder next season, and Minnesota's future first rounder. Probably try and use the Minnesota pick to get rid of Blount's contract.

Banks
Wade
Randolph
Brand
Anthony

and then next season

Banks
Wade
Randolph
Brand
Thabeet

Dynasty.

[Heat11114]

I would think the number two by itself should land the Heat Brand and the number seven, and I don't think Banks' contract is that much of a liability, so I'd probably have to ask the Clippers for their first rounder next season, top five protected, and either this year's second rounder, or that first round pick that Minnesota owes them that is top ten protected for a few years.

2 for Brand plus 7.
Marion for 1st rounder next season, and Minnesota's future first rounder. Probably try and use the Minnesota pick to get rid of Blount's contract.

Banks
Wade
Randolph
Brand
Anthony

and then next season

Banks
Wade
Randolph
Brand
Thabeet

Dynasty.

It would have to include Marion to make the numbers work. I don't see the Clippers giving up 2 #'s to complete the deal. If we could get one out of them relatively unprotected (outside of top 6-8-10ish maybe) i'd be estatic.

[heat4life]

Why wouldn't they?
They get a HUGE expiring deal which happens to be a very good player as well plus the #2 pick in the draft and the chance to draft the best player in college this season.

In return we are getting a PF who is coming back from a season ending knee surgery (Culpepper?) and a #7 pick. I believe more is needed from the Clippers. Another pick would be good and I would make them take Mark Blount for an expiring deal as well.

Do not underestimate the value of our biggest assets (Marion and #2)

[Heat11114]

Why wouldn't they?
They get a HUGE expiring deal which happens to be a very good player as well plus the #2 pick in the draft and the chance to draft the best player in college this season.

In return we are getting a PF who is coming back from a season ending knee surgery (Culpepper?) and a #7 pick. I believe more is needed from the Clippers. Another pick would be good and I would make them take Mark Blount for an expiring deal as well.

Do not underestimate the value of our biggest assets (Marion and #2)

1) Brand is expiring too
2) Brand had an achilles problem, not a knee problem
3) He played pretty well the last 10 games of the season and his work ethic is off the charts. He played big minutes too (35+).

[heat4life]

You are right, I was thinking of Amare's knee problem got confused.
Anyway, I am not saying that Brand is a bad player or anything to that extend, just mentioning that we could get more as a package from our two best assets hence why I am ok with 2nd 1st round pick and dumping Blount on them.

Obviously if this trade was to happen, it would initiated by the Clippers interest in Beasley. I feel the demands for compensation on this trade are not excessive. Remember that at least one GM out there feels that the #2 pick on this year's draft should fetch an all star AND a steady contributor at the very least. Then consider we are adding Marion to that deal which requires compensation as well.

[CaliHeat]

My only thing with going after a Brand/or Boozer, is that they play the exact same position as Beasley. (IF we end up with Beasley.)

I think a frontcourt of Beasley-Brand or Beasley-Boozer is undersized and not great defensively.

If we end up with Rose, I think Brand is the perfect PF for this team though.

[CoolD]

I don't think I would go for Boozer and Brand, if Chicago drafts Rose, and we have the next second best option, to draft Beasley.

Beasley hopefully is not a tweener in the NBA. And would come much cheaper than this guys that are a bit overrated in the Heat board.

I would think of trading Marion though, if Beasley came aboard.

But if we were to trade Beasley, I hope we do dump Blount along the way. That would be the best chance to dump some bad contracts.

[Mourning_Heat_33]

Draft Rose, trade Banks, sign Wade and Bosh, add one other g/f and a c

2010 team
Rose 38 mins a night...Quinn
Wade 38...Cook 20 mins
Marion...Wright...or the g/f
Haslem 35...Bosh 13
Bosh 25...c 23



or something like that. maybe not Marion come to think of it.

[BBallFreak]

It would have to include Marion to make the numbers work.

Incorrect. Banks, Blount, and Johnson works in terms of numbers, too.

But you're missing the value. According to Kevin Pritchard, the Blazers GM and former Heat guard, a pick in the top two this year is going to get offers of an All-Star and another contributor. Even if you argue that Brand is an uber-All-star of sorts (hard to do considering he is coming off a major injury), it's going to be impossible to argue that the difference is Shawn Marion. Now, in terms of the number 7, it's nice and all, but I'd rather give them our crap, keep Marion, and forgo that pick.

Blount/Banks/Johnson/#2 for Elton Brand. That's a deal I do...

[HeatInOhio]

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Blount/Banks/Johnson/#2 for Elton Brand. That's a deal I do...

I disagree w/ ya on that. Brand will turn 30 during the season and is coming off a major injury. He's a career 20/10 player and is a very good player but he's reaching the back end of his prime. I'd rather roll the dice w/ Beasley, assume that he'll become at least a similar player to Brand, have him on the rookie scale for the next several years, and get him for his entire prime. jmo!

[BBallFreak]

I disagree w/ ya on that. Brand will turn 30 during the season and is coming off a major injury. He's a career 20/10 player and is a very good player but he's reaching the back end of his prime. I'd rather roll the dice w/ Beasley, assume that he'll become at least a similar player to Brand, have him on the rookie scale for the next several years, and get him for his entire prime. jmo!

You're welcome to your opinion, but their is one major difference between Brand and Beasley - DEFENSE!