Not to be selfish...

hiphop1 · Post #1 » by **hiphop1** » Thu May 29, 2008 10:46 am

But seeing that Avery is probably going to get the Bulls job, I am selfishly glad Thibs will be staying. He deserves a head coaching position but he is a key component to our coaching staff.

DieselCeltic · Post #2 » by **DieselCeltic** » Thu May 29, 2008 10:59 am

How do you know Tom will be staying with us next year ? Just because Avery is going to the Bulls doesn't mean nobody won't take Thib.

If we don't win it all I say, part ways with Doc, and let Thib take over the coaching duties.

hiphop1 · Post #3 » by **hiphop1** » Thu May 29, 2008 11:04 am

DieselCeltic wrote:How do you know Tom will be staying with us next year ? Just because Avery is going to the Bulls doesn't mean nobody won't take Thib.

If we don't win it all I say, part ways with Doc, and let Thib take over the coaching duties.

Why would he leave our team just to be an assistant on another?

DieselCeltic · Post #4 » by **DieselCeltic** » Thu May 29, 2008 11:08 am

hiphop1 wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

Why would he leave our team just to be an assistant on another?

Bro, the last time I checked head coaching position pays more and I wouldn't blame him if he wants more money. I don't think he is interested very much in being an assistant coach. He is a defensive guru and deserves to get a head coaching job. I wouldn't mind him being our head coach.

There is plenty of other teams that will get tweaked during this off-season. Many of them will need a new head coach.

hiphop1 · Post #5 » by **hiphop1** » Thu May 29, 2008 11:24 am

DieselCeltic wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

Bro, the last time I checked head coaching position pays more and I wouldn't blame him if he wants more money. I don't think he is interested very much in being an assistant coach. He is a defensive guru and deserves to get a head coaching job. I wouldn't mind him being our head coach.

There is plenty of other teams that will get tweaked during this off-season. Many of them will need a new head coach.

I dont see many coaching vacancies. Pre Draft camps are starting soon and teams usually want there head coaches in place by then and we will still be in the playoffs(hopefully).

DieselCeltic · Post #6 » by **DieselCeltic** » Thu May 29, 2008 11:35 am

hiphop1 wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

I dont see many coaching vacancies. Pre Draft camps are starting soon and teams usually want there head coaches in place by then and we will still be in the playoffs(hopefully).

I hope to god you are right brother. We need this man in our team period.

As for Doc, I could care less.

MyInsatiableOne · Post #7 » by **MyInsatiableOne** » Thu May 29, 2008 6:57 pm

Just heard Doug Collins will be returning to the Bulls as coach...

And **** NO to Avery here...last thing we need is a screechy-voiced control-freak coach. Keep Doc. Obviously the results speak for themselves...

tombattor · Post #8 » by **tombattor** » Thu May 29, 2008 7:05 pm

MyInsatiableOne wrote:Just heard Doug Collins will be returning to the Bulls as coach...

And **** NO to Avery here...last thing we need is a screechy-voiced control-freak coach. Keep Doc. Obviously the results speak for themselves...

Maybe, but Avery wouldn't let Sam dictate his playing time like Doc does. I guess it's because his co-analysts are idiots, but Avery sounds like he knows what he's talking about on ESPN...

Datruth345 · Post #9 » by **Datruth345** » Thu May 29, 2008 7:18 pm

i ike avery johson as a coach and wouldnt mind him patrolling our sidelines at some point

celticfan42487 · Post #10 » by **celticfan42487** » Thu May 29, 2008 7:37 pm

I like Avery, he's tiny and with that voice... idk what kind of animal he reminds me of but it's one of them.

I don't know his style of coaching though. he's not a control freak like Carsiel but he's not a let them play no matter what guy like Doc.

I think he's a mix of that and that's the kind of coach we should of had this year, but as long as we keep Tibs and the SYSTEM more and more execution will get better and better and we'll want a guy like Doc to just call a play with 3 options and have the players play the game as they see it.

Zin5 · Post #11 » by **Zin5** » Thu May 29, 2008 8:14 pm

I'm probably in a very small minority on the board with this issue, but I would much rather have Doc as the head coach instead of Thibedeau. The Celtics are a championship calibur team right now and don't have the longest window to win. I don't want to risk that with any rookie head coach, regardless of how good of an assistant he is. We have no idea how good he would be at keeping players in line as the head of the team, how well he would manage them, and how the players would perceive him. Personally, I have a feeling he would be a Rick Carlisle type of head coach, as someone who could overachieve on a decent team, but would probably wear out his welcome quickly on a championship calibur team filled with great, experienced players.

As for Doc, we know what we have and what we're getting. He's more of a player's coach and keeping him would continue the growth of our team's chemistry, which is crucial. There's no telling what a disruptance like replacing him would do to shake up the mentality of the team. Yeah, he hasn't been a great playoff coach, but to his credit, this is the first time he's had a team that could get him far in the playoffs and I feel he's learned a lot from it. He's shown that he now knows you can't adjust completely from what gave you wins in the regular season, as he's been trying to get House and Allen into the games more. He also probably realizes now that you can't sit a player for two series and then bring them in randomly.

Unless a coach with championship experience comes available, I'd like to keep Doc as the head coach (I'd probably rather keep him even if one did come along). I'd also love to see Thibedeau staying as an assistant, so don't get me wrong, I'm not bashing his ability as an assistant.

celticfan42487 · Post #12 » by **celticfan42487** » Thu May 29, 2008 9:27 pm

^ I think that's everyone's ideal. Doc as head and Thibs returns as Associate head coach [he's not an assistant because of the higher amount of managment he is doing and that's apart of the agreement he has with the organization]

Consistency with Head Coaches is key.

But what most people are arguing with is if Thibs decided he needs to be a head coach and we have to choose between promoting him and firing Doc or having Doc run his defense as well as his offense... well I'll take one Master D and Average O coach over a Good D and Good O coach.

That's where the debate is, a hypothesis of course but that's what these boards are for. Honestly if Thib was head coach I'm certain instead of playing Posey at the 4 and KG at the 5 last night we would of had either Powe/PJ or Perkins against small DET [a rebounder to seal the possesion on a miss.. a defensive minded sub instead of an offensive one]... probuly PJ to get that range shot and still have a rebounder.

ermocrate · Post #13 » by **ermocrate** » Thu May 29, 2008 9:38 pm

If Tib can ALSO teach offense he can be an head coach, if not, he's a defensive coordinator.

Zin5 · Post #14 » by **Zin5** » Fri May 30, 2008 12:31 am

celticfan42487 wrote:^ I think that's everyone's ideal. Doc as head and Thibs returns as Associate head coach [he's not an assistant because of the higher amount of managment he is doing and that's apart of the agreement he has with the organization]

Consistency with Head Coaches is key.

But what most people are arguing with is if Thibs decided he needs to be a head coach and we have to choose between promoting him and firing Doc or having Doc run his defense as well as his offense... well I'll take one Master D and Average O coach over a Good D and Good O coach.

That's where the debate is, a hypothesis of course but that's what these boards are for. Honestly if Thib was head coach I'm certain instead of playing Posey at the 4 and KG at the 5 last night we would of had either Powe/PJ or Perkins against small DET [a rebounder to seal the possesion on a miss.. a defensive minded sub instead of an offensive one]... probuly PJ to get that range shot and still have a rebounder.

If it were Doc or Thibedeau only, I would still rather keep Doc and lose Thibedeau. The last thing this team needs is a major shake up. There's also not much more the players can learn from Thibedeau anyways. We've been teaching team defense for years and this year it finally became productive. Personally, I credit that much more and our overall defensive success and intensity to KG rather than Thibedeau. Our defense would be fine. The Celtics need a coach that can keep the players in line, manage them, and help grow chemistry and consistency, and that's what Doc gives.

Also, you can't make that assumption with Thibedeau, because like I said, we just wouldn't know what we'd get and that is the last thing you want when you know your players are good enough to give you a championship. Personally, I think the Doc hate is excessive on this board and is biased due to his past record.