Malinhion wrote:Okay, stop calling me ignorant. I'm making better arguments than you, and they're substantiated by solid points. I don't care if your opinion is supported by homerism, don't say my stances are ignorant. Especially when you aren't doing much to prove otherwise.
Ok, so the games "sell out" like sporting events often do without being full. If you look at the seats, they're often half-full in the playoffs. I have seen this in the past several years with my own two eyes.
I realize your arena is crap and its miles from civilization, but that's just another reason that nobody cares! Everyone in Jersey is a Knicks or Sixers fan. Why drive into the industrial sector to see a team that doesn't perform that well? Especially when they're going to leave town in a few years anyhow. It's not like you're gonna get a better situation. The lease will expire and the Nets will move to Brooklyn. Those seem like good reasons for a fanbase to stop caring.
1.I didnt mean to offend you or to call you generally ignorant, I called you ignorant on this certain subject which is the Nets.
2.The thing is as someone that lives in NJ I can tell you that people here care about the Nets and again low attendance falls soley on the crappy arena I can gaurantee you that just like the Devils if the Nets moved to the Newark arena attendance would have exploded.
Malinhion wrote:There have already been murmurs out of Jersey about moving Vince, ever since Kidd got moved. Try reading a hoops rumors site sometime. If Vince goes nowhere, its because of his age combined with the years on his contract. I personally don't think his deal is that bad, but you might count me in the minority.
Ive read those rumors and the only one that had some credibility to it was Vince for JO the other's were utter BS, all of these rumors happened back at the trade deadline, eventually Thorn and Kiki decided that they're gonna stick with Carter and either way there is no chance in hell Ranther will allow them to trade him.
Malinhion wrote:Okay, haha, no. You can try and talk yourself into this all you want, but you're not convincing me. When you toss out Kidd, you don't make up for it by adding a young defensive point guard. Do you realize that Kidd led your team in rebounds the past three seasons?
1.A young defensive PG?
Sorry but again you show your ignorance on the subject, Harris was playing with a hurt ankle and his defence showed it, his offense however was just flowing in NJ, a full training camp and time to adjust to the system and there is a great chance he can turn into a 20,8 guy.
2.Again as I said Kidd's rebounding ability is special, his APG and PPG stat's however are either a result of the fact that the Nets were built around him or unimpresive.
3.The fact that Kidd lead the Nets in rebounding really wasnt as impressive as you make it oiut to be seeing how only this year the team has found a solid front court and if Nenad can get back healthy I can see them making up in the RPG stat after the loss of Kidd.
Malinhion wrote:No kidding. Of course he was declining. Of course the team was build around him. But aren't those just good reasons to hang onto a player? There wasn't that mucn time left on his deal but I guess dumping one of the league's biggest contracts is always a bonus.
Those are good reasons but the fact that he was clearly declining and the fact that he was going on strikes to demand an extension outweight those reasons.
4)"...in case there were still any doubts that you're a complete homer.
Harris'stats didn't really go up in Jersey. He scored one more point per game but his FG% dropped a dramatic .045. He had one more assist per game, but its not like 6.5 is elite for a PG, especially when its with 2.7 turnovers. It's not like he racks up defensive statsm either. He just plays solid man D. And the quick PGs that he was so great at guarding are more in the Western Conference. The East tends to play slower, especially in the playoffs. For the entire season his PER was 15.66, which means he was an average NBA player. You are massively overrating him.
Harris isnt a player that's about stats, Billups doesnt exactly fill the stat sheet yet no one can argue that he's a top 5 PG.
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Dallas has been a consistent contender. They haven't won fewer than 50 games since then, and they have an owner willing to spend money to keep winning. They barely made the playoffs because they had roster turnover and the coach couldn't adapt to the new point guard midseason. It was possibly the hardest conference in the history of the NBA. Now they arguably have one of the best/deepest coaching staffs in the association. And their franchise player, Dirk, is right in his prime.
No they barely made the play-offs because they're an old team and a coaching change wont change the fact that they made a terrible trade that has been bashed nation wide for an old PG that's desperate for a ring.
If you think that Kidd will be able to play at high level in 2010 youre delusional.
No, I'm saying that they will keep their cap flexibility in place (by acquiring players like Devin Harris and draft picks) so that they can make big moves when they go to Brookyln. They could give a damn about rushing to make a contender, because they have a pathetically small fanbase that they're about to alienate anyhow.
Bah again your throwing around false information if they're looking for cap flexibility than why would they be chasing a max contract player like Carmelo and a big contract player in Camby?
And again you have no idea how big their userbase is, the day Vince came to town their fanbase grew by a landslide, the second they move to a half decent arena they will sell out just about every worthwhile game.
But seriously, the Nets have been in the playoffs for 7 straight seasons before this one and had the best point guard in the game on their team for a long time. How the hell were they irrelevant? Unless they're talking strictly about after the trade which basically took them off the map for this season. Then I would have to agree.
