Sixers looking to drafting a Shooter now??...

[SendEm]

You asked

how many players selected 16th or below come in and make an immediate impact

I responded with

Gilbert Arenas

You didn't ask "how many players get drafted after 16 and make an impact with the 3 point shot?" My WHOLE ENTIRE premise has been:

Drafting a NBA quality shooter straight out of the draft is the hardest thing to do because it takes many years to develop a NBA jumpshot. Many people who were once thought to be NBA quality shooters as prospects never developed the consistency necessary to be a factor.

Like 99.999% of NBA teams acquire sharpshooters through free agency or trades after those players have PROVEN that they can hit shots on the big NBA stage under pressure like Kyle Korver who was once a 2nd round pick and Jason Kapono who was the 31st pick overall. Drafting a sharpshooter high like the 16th pick is a waste because you can ALWAYS acquire a 29 year old free agent or a guy from overseas like Anthony Parker to fill that role. If you are drafting a sharpshooter with the 16 pick it better be a Dirk, Peja, or Hedo who can fall back on other big time skills.

Then you lie and state that my standard of good shooting is STRICTLY the 3 point shot. You accomplished this by ONLY posting the 3 point percentage that Arenas had in his first 2 NBA seasons and IGNORING his overall FG%

Were you trying to say he stepped right in as an impact player/shooter? If so, by your standards of what a good shooter is, you are mistaken.

Year 1 from 3 - 34.5%
Year 2 from 3 - 34.8%

I have been saying all thread long that Green shot 41.8% from the field and 34.5% from the 3 and you know that. You just lost the debate in front of everyone because you LOVE Green for something that he can not do, and that is shoot the ball. You suggested drafting him as the sharpshooter and that is something he is NOT. So now you are attempting to skew the points that WE have made which are in clear writing within this thread for EVERYONE to read. Gilbert Arenas was a terrific shooter his freshman year in college he shot 45.3% from the field. Green shot 41.8%...

You ask, Why can't Green make the HUGE improvement that Arenas made in his 3 point shooting from his freshman season to sophomore season? Probably because Green just flat out can't make a basket. Arenas did what you call "extended his range." Green has to actually "learn how to shoot." There's a big difference...

[Stanford]

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Are you serious? That was the joke...

My god, where are all the posters who would have got that?

[The Sixer Fixer]

You suggested drafting him as the sharpshooter and that is something he is NOT. So now you are attempting to skew the points that WE have made which are in clear writing within this thread for EVERYONE to read. Gilbert Arenas was a terrific shooter his freshman year in college he shot 45.3% from the field. Green shot 41.8%...

You ask, Why can't Green make the HUGE improvement that Arenas made in his 3 point shooting from his freshman season to sophomore season? Probably because Green just flat out can't make a basket. Arenas did what you call "extended his range." Green has to actually "learn how to shoot." There's a big difference...

Dude, this has to stop. Talk about spinning the topic. NEVER ONCE did I suggest JUST taking Green as just a sharpshooter. I suggested that he is likely to be one of the best players, who can provide shooting, available at 16, HOWEVER, I said we should consider him because he has more talent/upside/versatility than the other "shooters" like Budinger and others. I don't see Greene as soley a "shooter" in the NBA. I did say it will be a weapon for him in the NBA though.

AGAIN, I did point out that Green shot 47% (edit: he actually shot over 49%) on non-3pt shots so he CAN make other shots. His overall FG% is lower than some other guys because he shoots way more 3's (which I agree is not ideal). If Arenas shot the same % of 3's that Greene did, he would have shot a lower overall % than Greene. Greene needs to change his offensive game, no question, but the talent is there so I see no reason why he can't improve.

Consider this my last post to you on this topic since this is a complete waste of my time. You spin debates to whatever fits your arguement and ignore the words I posted originally regarding Greene. You made the whole debate about him being drafted simply as a "shooter" which I never suggested. I showed that Greene's 2 pt FG% isn't crazy low for a college Frehsman, but you ignored that. I'm done!

Oh yea, Roger Mason? LMAO

[Mik317]

i think the thing some of us are forgetting is the fact that most freshmen can get better.................in fact i think that shooting is the easiest thing to get better at.

[SendEm]

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He's an excellent shooter.

his 3pt shooting will be a dangerous weapon in the NBA.

I see him making the transition to the deeper 3pt line way easier than most of the other "shooters" in this draft.

With your quotes above you clearly painted him as a great shooter until I proved otherwise. Again this is a player that shot 34.5% from the 19.9 foot college 3point line and you are predicting that it will be a "dangerous weapon in the NBA" where the 3pt line is 23.9 feet. This is a man that shot 41.8% from the field and you call him an "excellent shooter?"

You also called Green a sharpshooter IN THIS THREAD ON THE FIRST PAGE

The 1st rd talent "sharpshooters" in this draft are Mayo, Bayless, Gordon, Budinger, Augustine (stay far away from him), Greene, Rush (personally I hate him) and Chalmers (bigtime sleeper IMO).

But then you JUST denied that you called Green a sharpshooter a few posts ago?

Talk about spinning the topic. NEVER ONCE did I suggest JUST taking Green as just a sharpshooter.

But on the first page you said this

As far as the shooters go that might be there at 16, if we go that route, I would take Greene.

You keep switching up. You lost this little debate a loooooooooooooong time ago. You have called Green an excellent shooter and sharp shooter PLENTY OF TIMES IN THIS THREAD. You are WRONG about his skills and began to LIE about what you didn't say about his skills when you were called to the table for it. There's nothing wrong with being a Green FAN. Just don't past your fandom off as anything BUT the cheerleading that it is...

[The Sixer Fixer]

Oh man, this is just too easy. I could not resist posting again, lmao..

First off, you seemed to have ignored the key words that I clearly capitalized and decided to take my quotes out of context just so that you can paint the picture you want the rest of the board to see (since that's cleary what you keep trying to do by claiming I am lying). I'm not lying about anything, I don't love Greene, I never said I did. I suggested IN THIS THREAD at the beginning that I would take a big at 16. I suggested if we don't go that route, that I favor Greene over guys like Budinger, Douglas-Roberts, Rush, etc. I suggested that Greene is more than just a shooter (read the original post again...practice those reading skills), but if I call him a shooter or sharpshooter or whatever, you seem to interpret that as that's all I claim he does.

Second off, his named is GREENE, not Green. You have spelled it wrong in every freakin post in this thread. A word of advice, if you are going to claim to know so much about a player, please make us believe you by at least knowing how to spell his name.

[noone]

TSF - I think everyone else picked it up the first time around. Don't waste your time.

[SendEm]

Second off, his named is GREENE, not Green. You have spelled it wrong in every freakin post in this thread. A word of advice, if you are going to claim to know so much about a player, please make us believe you by at least knowing how to spell his name.

For everyone reading this post that I am making, it is VERY common for the LOSER in an internet debate to become pedantic out of desperation when they no longer have a leg to stand on to support their FAILING argument. You've lost. Game over. Green can't shoot and you have called him an "excellent shooter." Green is about as much an "excellent shooter" as Kyle Korver is an excellent dunker. LMAOOOOOOOOOooooo. Again, 41.8% FG percentage.
He's a sharpshooter alright.

Roger Mason shot 44.3%fg, 39.8%3pt, 130 made 3 pointers in 21.4 minutes per night. Compared to Kyle Korver who played 21.5 minutes, 38.8%3pt, 111 made 3 pointers. Roger Mason Jr. is a sharpshooter, now you know and knowing is half the battle.

[Mik317]

dear gawd we get it, you have a stiffy for Mason jr. shut the **** up about it.

[freshie2]

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There's nothing wrong with being a Green FAN. Just don't past your fandom off as anything BUT the cheerleading that it is...

Take his word for it...life goes on as a green fan. Just don't go on another team's board and display your shades of green and subjectivity in a similar manner...cheerleading in that fashion gives all of the Sixers fans a bad rap.

[Skates]

Getting Budinger at 16 would be great IMO. He is more Mike Miller than Kyle Korver. A more athletic version of Korver which will allow him to play up tempo and have more of a chance to develop into a good defensive player (his defensive reputation right now is nothing to cheer about), while still providing long distance shooting and at a rookie salary price that won't diminish our cap-space this year. It would also give us flexibility/leverage in dealing with Iggy and possibly moving Green and/or Carney.

Everyone acts like we can easily solve our need for a high-end starting PF at 16. It's not impossible, after all Boozer was a second rounder, but it's not likely. At 16 you have to go BPA since there is usually one or two players on your Board who have slipped lower than you expected. Don't draft positionally if there is a higher rated player available, especially when your team is far from a finished product. By pointing out at least 3-4 areas of need for this team (C, PF, shooter on the wing, PG) it appeared that Stefanski was saying BPA is the way to go.

[ZigZag]

Oh man, this is just too easy. I could not resist posting again, lmao..

First off, you seemed to have ignored the key words that I clearly capitalized and decided to take my quotes out of context just so that you can paint the picture you want the rest of the board to see (since that's cleary what you keep trying to do by claiming I am lying). I'm not lying about anything, I don't love Greene, I never said I did. I suggested IN THIS THREAD at the beginning that I would take a big at 16. I suggested if we don't go that route, that I favor Greene over guys like Budinger, Douglas-Roberts, Rush, etc. I suggested that Greene is more than just a shooter (read the original post again...practice those reading skills), but if I call him a shooter or sharpshooter or whatever, you seem to interpret that as that's all I claim he does.

Second off, his named is GREENE, not Green. You have spelled it wrong in every freakin post in this thread. A word of advice, if you are going to claim to know so much about a player, please make us believe you by at least knowing how to spell his name.

lol. dont waste ur breath on sendem. I had a similar arguement with him about donte greene a month ago on this board. He is just hell bent on thinking you can get a superb allstar at 16 in the draft.