Doug "Insidious" Collins new Bulls head coach

[TheSecretWeapon]

TSW, Doug's balls were in a vice as a Wizards coach.

MJ, Kwame, bad health, toxic roster. The first year MJ runs off Rip Hamilton and Courtney Alexander. Those guys and Nesby had just come off a 19-win season. Chris Whitney and Jahidi were the ironmen. MJ brought his guys like Popeye Jones and Tyronn Lue. Wizards actually doubled their wins with a talent-poor grough.

Second year he had plenty to bitch about.

Jeffries and Dixon were the draft picks. The roster REALY got toxic with the additions of Stackhouse and Oakley and Larry Hughes. The youth of the team: Brown, Dixon, Haywood, and Etan, all had to take a backseat to Christian Laettner, Charles Oakley, and Byron Russell. MJ played but was grouchy, old, hurting, but still full of ego. NO WONDER Collins was on edge! That was a disgusting assemblage of bad karma on one team. What a rotten group to coach! Old whiners past their prime and young guys not as good as they thought they were. Yuk!

I say Doug's bound to do way better at least the first few months of the season in Chicago because that team will be much better next year.

I think Rose will be better for them to draft. I expect Deng and Hinrich will have bounce back years.

The player who told me about Doug's excessive carping played for him in Detroit. (And no, it wasn't Stackhouse, who played for Collins both in Detroit and in DC.)

And I'm not saying Collins is a bad coach. Just that he grates on his players after awhile.

[NbdyBeatsTheWiz]

I think Rose will be better for them to draft. I expect Deng and Hinrich will have bounce back years.

Yeah, Rose is far from Chris Paul, but he seems like the kind of guy who will make the players around him better. He impressed me the way he made himself fit in with CDR, Anderson, Dozier, and Dorsey, and with time he'll have an even better feel of when to distribute and when to take over.
I'm more than convinced Deng would have a breakout year next season with or withour Rose, I wouldn't mind buying low on the guy but we prolly don't have the pieces without tampering with the big 3.

[C3]

Reading through this forum. It seems, you were not all that impressed with Doug as your coach.

This is the first place I came looking for an accurate opinion. I figure you guys would know best.

I missed out on His time with the Bulls, and don't know much about him.

I'm just wondering what your opinion is. If we do sign him up, does he have any good traits as a coach? What is he best at, or worst at?

Every Coach has good traits, and bad ones.

I would like to hear an accurate opinion (Both the good, and Bad) from the fan base who would know Collins the best.

Feel free to be honest, after all Its your board. If other Bulls fans come here and decide to pick fights about what is said...... Just Ban them.

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

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The player who told me about Doug's excessive carping played for him in Detroit. (And no, it wasn't Stackhouse, who played for Collins both in Detroit and in DC.)

And I'm not saying Collins is a bad coach. Just that he grates on his players after awhile.

I believe you're right, and that the Bulls knowingly made the hire thinking 2-3 years of Doug Collins to get the team ready for the next coach.

[WizStorm]

Reading through this forum. It seems, you were not all that impressed with Doug as your coach.

This is the first place I came looking for an accurate opinion. I figure you guys would know best.

I missed out on His time with the Bulls, and don't know much about him.

I'm just wondering what your opinion is. If we do sign him up, does he have any good traits as a coach? What is he best at, or worst at?

Every Coach has good traits, and bad ones.

I would like to hear an accurate opinion (Both the good, and Bad) from the fan base who would know Collins the best.

Feel free to be honest, after all Its your board. If other Bulls fans come here and decide to pick fights about what is said...... Just Ban them.

The one thing that really irritated me with Collins was his horrible use of timeouts. He always seemed to let the team completely fall apart and let the momentum completely swing to other team before he would call a timeout.

Also, i'm not sure if it was a product of MJ or not, but he really relied too much on veterans and never to seem to give any youngsters on the roster a chance.

As far as good traits go, I think Collins is as good as they come from a X's and O's perspective. I recall some pretty inventive plays coming down the stretch of games and always seemed to have the right person in the right place taking a shot.

[DigitalBullets]

This had me scratching my head.

He's similar to Skiles in coaching style and we all know how that experience turned out up here. Ben Wallace practically ran his own coach out of town.

I do think Collins is a good coach, though. It really depends on the maturity of the players, which unfortunately for the Bulls, I don't think they're on that level just yet (eg. Noah, Thomas and Duhon)

[doclinkin]

I bet Rudy Tomjanovich is the mystery veteran coach that Paxon wants to talk with.

Actually he'd be a pretty good fit with that roster, good at developing young talent, but with a gravitas that admits little frippery-- you know he's got a solid presence about him.

Now Rudy T is a damn good coach.

Research... interesting. Recent article.

Seems wistful even if he claims he's happy where he is.

[miller31time]

The one thing that really irritated me with Collins was his horrible use of timeouts. He always seemed to let the team completely fall apart and let the momentum completely swing to other team before he would call a timeout.

Also, i'm not sure if it was a product of MJ or not, but he really relied too much on veterans and never to seem to give any youngsters on the roster a chance.

As far as good traits go, I think Collins is as good as they come from a X's and O's perspective. I recall some pretty inventive plays coming down the stretch of games and always seemed to have the right person in the right place taking a shot.

Good post, WizStorm.

I do think, however, that relying on veterans was directly a result of the MJ-factor. That team had no intentions of building for the future and every intention of winning now, and winning at all costs.

Regarding the timeout issue, there are many coaches who take the same road and have it pay off tremendously, both in terms of that individual game and the team's mentality overall when faced with an opposing team's run. Phil Jackson, namely.

[WizStorm]

New Bulls Coach:
Vinny Del Negro

Positive:
NC State Alum!!!

Negative:
Experience


WOW! I do have admit that I admire Paxson for taking such a huge risk. Although, only time will tell if it was too big a risk and Vinny will be in over his head. Really interesting to see how the Bulls respond to a rookie head coach after basically tuning out Skiles. Really interesting as the team is set to add yet another youngster that will be counted on to make big contributions.

[fishercob]

New Bulls Coach:
Vinny Del Negro

Positive:
NC State Alum!!!

Negative:
Experience


WOW! I do have admit that I admire Paxson for taking such a huge risk. Although, only time will tell if it was too big a risk and Vinny will be in over his head. Really interesting to see how the Bulls respond to a rookie head coach after basically tuning out Skiles. Really interesting as the team is set to add yet another youngster that will be counted on to make big contributions.

I don't think this is about Pax taking a risk. it's about Reinsdorf (rightly or wrongly) not wanting to pony up for an established coach. All of the guys they were talking to would have been first time hires and this much cheaper than Collins, Flip, Avery, etc.

[WizStorm]

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I don't think this is about Pax taking a risk. it's about Reinsdorf (rightly or wrongly) not wanting to pony up for an established coach. All of the guys they were talking to would have been first time hires and this much cheaper than Collins, Flip, Avery, etc.

Certainly may be some truth there given the history. Still, Del Negro seems like a pretty out in left field choice among minimum salary choices (assuming that is the deal Del Negro signed).

[NbdyBeatsTheWiz]

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I don't think this is about Pax taking a risk. it's about Reinsdorf (rightly or wrongly) not wanting to pony up for an established coach. All of the guys they were talking to would have been first time hires and this much cheaper than Collins, Flip, Avery, etc.

With this having very little stake in the future of our Wiz, I like it. As a fan I like new blood in the NBA, whether its new coaches instead of another Larry Brown/Flip Saunders/Doug Collins/etc. hiring, or it's a team like New Orleans taking over the Southwest division and shaking things up in the West. So with Del Negro not able to directly ruin our franchise's chances, I'm glad he was hired.

If he's half as classy as his former college coach Jimmy V, I'm sure he'll do well for himself.

[lupin]

wow, is there anyone left for Thibodeau's services after the playoffs conclude? maybe a stealth bid from Ernie?

[NbdyBeatsTheWiz]

^ I've kept that in mind and wonder if that's what teams like Phoenix are waiting for. Because if Boston wins that means there's about zero chance of Doc getting axed and TThib gettin promoted any time soon. So his best chance would be elsewhere to set it off. Only one problem though- we already got a coach.

[lupin]

minor issue.

Anyways, vacancy count? I think they've all been filled now.

Phoenix - Porter
Detroit - Curry
Chicago - Del Negro
NY - D'antoni
Dallas - ???

Maybe that one is still free. My memory is poor. I don't know if Thibs would fit in there. Wouldn't his defensive rep be along the same veign as Avery's?

Any others?

[NbdyBeatsTheWiz]

Carlisle in Dallas. Apparently I missed the Porter hire, I'm pretty sure he blew big time with the Bucks too...