Here's my proposal/hope/theory:
Seattle Times - May 21, 2008
Sonics Thinking About Moving the 4th Pick?
http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/s...oni21.html
The Seattle Supersonics are already a very young team. They may want to trade the pick for a veteran to help Kevin Durant to develop and generally help the team.
The playoffs this year have been filled with spectacular point guard play. It is believed that a great, young point guard is the way to build teams in today's league. As evidenced by Derrick Rose likely becoming the #1 pick in this year's draft over the 6'9 PF Michael Beasley. Beasley is a scoring phenom as well as a rebounding monster. He had averages of 26 pts 12 rbs as a PF. How does a point guard that had averages of 15 pts 5 asts 5 rebs go over a BIG with mind-boggling averages? They say the league is gravitating towards great point guards.
The Houston Rockets have one glaring weakness compared to other championship caliber teams in the West. They are weak at the PG position.
My proposal is any combination of Shane Battier and picks for Seattle's 4th pick. Only, and I mean ONLY, if O.J. Mayo is still on the board. I know Mayo's stock has fallen since the controversy surrounding the sports agency, but we can use this to our advantage to get a guy that could definitely be a star in the league at the PG position.
Believe me, I know what Shane has brought to the team. However, read the scouting report on O.J. Mayo and tell me this isn't what we need for the Rockets: Averages: 21 pts 5 rebs 4 asts per game:
[size=75]Strengths: Extremely talented lead guard who routinely makes highlight plays
Seattle Shopping 4th Pick?
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Thing is,Seattle needs a PG too. The ones they have they are not happy w/. Further,I rather doubt that they really want to add another SF to a roster that has Durant-who should be a SF,Green and Wilkins.
Finally which player would Seattle try to unload.
IMHO there is going to be a ton of teams talking what if? to each other,but not doing anything until the draft itself as nobody knows who's going to be available where.
Finally which player would Seattle try to unload.
IMHO there is going to be a ton of teams talking what if? to each other,but not doing anything until the draft itself as nobody knows who's going to be available where.
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Seattle doesn't even consider this , They don't need Battier they have Green and Durant at his position.
And what with all the stupid GM's wanting to trade their lottery picks for veterans?
They are not good enough even if they get a really good veteran they won't make the playoffs , draft more talent and when your young talent matures then trade some of it for veterans to get you over the hump.
And what with all the stupid GM's wanting to trade their lottery picks for veterans?
They are not good enough even if they get a really good veteran they won't make the playoffs , draft more talent and when your young talent matures then trade some of it for veterans to get you over the hump.
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I think what we're seeing is partly a draft filled w/decent players,but outside the top 2 no sure-thing stars,so teams aren't too thrilled about paying several million a year for a player who might not be any better than one they could have gotten for less than a million a yr in the lowest rds.
And partly it's a reaction to Atl,Chi,Boston teams that were filled w/youths,that kept adding youth and kept on losing until they started trading away their kids. Last yr Minn w/Boston's kids and Seattle w/their own floundered and Portland had a pretty poor record if you remove their streak(I know,it counted,but they faded pretty fast). So some of the young teams are looking for vets who can still play meaningful,quality minutes who can mentor their younger players. Teach them how to be professionals,how to keep in shape,why eating right and getting rest is important. Coaches can talk all day long,but it's the example of their teammates who makes the biggest impression. They are not looking at the vets as guys who will put them over the top,as teams used to,but more to be the guys who groom the team's kids so that in a couple of yrs the kids will be ready to take over and dominate.
Best analogy I can make is think of Martial Arts movies. Typically a talented youngster gets beat down by a more skilled opponent,finds an old master who teaches him and then the youngster w/the wisdom gained,goes out and destroys the villain. Young teams aren't looking to add another unskilled,talented youth,they want a vet to show the way for the players they have,so that in the future they can go out and kick a**.
And partly it's writers having to fill up columns
I think what we're seeing is partly a draft filled w/decent players,but outside the top 2 no sure-thing stars,so teams aren't too thrilled about paying several million a year for a player who might not be any better than one they could have gotten for less than a million a yr in the lowest rds.
And partly it's a reaction to Atl,Chi,Boston teams that were filled w/youths,that kept adding youth and kept on losing until they started trading away their kids. Last yr Minn w/Boston's kids and Seattle w/their own floundered and Portland had a pretty poor record if you remove their streak(I know,it counted,but they faded pretty fast). So some of the young teams are looking for vets who can still play meaningful,quality minutes who can mentor their younger players. Teach them how to be professionals,how to keep in shape,why eating right and getting rest is important. Coaches can talk all day long,but it's the example of their teammates who makes the biggest impression. They are not looking at the vets as guys who will put them over the top,as teams used to,but more to be the guys who groom the team's kids so that in a couple of yrs the kids will be ready to take over and dominate.
Best analogy I can make is think of Martial Arts movies. Typically a talented youngster gets beat down by a more skilled opponent,finds an old master who teaches him and then the youngster w/the wisdom gained,goes out and destroys the villain. Young teams aren't looking to add another unskilled,talented youth,they want a vet to show the way for the players they have,so that in the future they can go out and kick a**.
And partly it's writers having to fill up columns
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tisbee wrote:Shabi_5
I think what we're seeing is partly a draft filled w/decent players,but outside the top 2 no sure-thing stars,so teams aren't too thrilled about paying several million a year for a player who might not be any better than one they could have gotten for less than a million a yr in the lowest rds.
And partly it's a reaction to Atl,Chi,Boston teams that were filled w/youths,that kept adding youth and kept on losing until they started trading away their kids. Last yr Minn w/Boston's kids and Seattle w/their own floundered and Portland had a pretty poor record if you remove their streak(I know,it counted,but they faded pretty fast). So some of the young teams are looking for vets who can still play meaningful,quality minutes who can mentor their younger players. Teach them how to be professionals,how to keep in shape,why eating right and getting rest is important. Coaches can talk all day long,but it's the example of their teammates who makes the biggest impression. They are not looking at the vets as guys who will put them over the top,as teams used to,but more to be the guys who groom the team's kids so that in a couple of yrs the kids will be ready to take over and dominate.
Best analogy I can make is think of Martial Arts movies. Typically a talented youngster gets beat down by a more skilled opponent,finds an old master who teaches him and then the youngster w/the wisdom gained,goes out and destroys the villain. Young teams aren't looking to add another unskilled,talented youth,they want a vet to show the way for the players they have,so that in the future they can go out and kick a**.
And partly it's writers having to fill up columns
Very good points and I hear what you are saying.
But imo if you want to trade for vets do it with some of the young talent you already have and know won't develop to something special , the lottery picks who can be something special you keep.
Just my opinion
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There is zero chance of this trade happening. Even if Seattle were shopping the forth pick they could get a better deal than a 30 year old SF on the decline. Jeff Green out performed Battier with fewer minutes and Green is only 21. The last month of the year Green averaged 16 ppg and 6 rebs.
Many teams have offered multiple picks and star players for #4. They aren't going to get it, either. As for offering extra picks, Seattle already has 6 firsts in the next three years and four seconds this year. Like Portland they are going to soon have too much young talent but this is not the time to weed it out. They also have cap space. If they want a veteran they will wait for next years FA class and take their pick. Few teams will have the cap space Seattle will next year.
Many teams have offered multiple picks and star players for #4. They aren't going to get it, either. As for offering extra picks, Seattle already has 6 firsts in the next three years and four seconds this year. Like Portland they are going to soon have too much young talent but this is not the time to weed it out. They also have cap space. If they want a veteran they will wait for next years FA class and take their pick. Few teams will have the cap space Seattle will next year.