Let's hear it for Stern!

[Iggyemu]

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All of that makes sense. All of that I pretty much agree with. But you are missing the point I tried to explain. For 3 NBA playoff series Kobe has been on Jordan's level of greatness as compared to any of Jordan's championship runs. We are not talking awards and season accomplishments. We are talking playoffs and specially...championship runs. For these 3 playoff series Kobe has played every bit as well as Jordan has in any 3 playoff series in the Bull's championship runs.

Thats it. I am not saying anything other than that. Just take off the blinders or the hater shades or whatever. Watch a few playoff games of the Bull's (they are always on Classic) and then watch Kobe this playoffs. You'll see what I mean. Everything Jordan did in those games Kobe has done in these playoffs. No more...no less.

[Alex_De_Large]

Jordan was better in every aspect of the game anyway, the best game Kobe ever had in this playoffs, Jordan did better.

[TMU]

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For 3 NBA playoff series Kobe has been on Jordan's level of greatness as compared to any of Jordan's championship runs. For these 3 playoff series Kobe has played every bit as well as Jordan has in any 3 playoff series in the Bull's championship runs.

If you are comparing Kobe to Jordan of the later 3-peat Bulls, it's arguable.
However, Prime Jordan (AKA Jordan of the first 3-peat Bulls) was significantly better than Kobe in almost all aspects. Not even close.

[hackle]

guys this thread is not about kobe and jordan, it's about David Stern manipulating the games! He is making the games non-games, because he take away the unpredictabilities! Soon NBA will become nothing but a well-directed show! like a movie! and THAT WILL KILL THE GAME! So let's curse David Stern to hell though we are not possiblity going to save the game, at least we can condemn the non-games!

[tmac4mvp2006]

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All of that makes sense. All of that I pretty much agree with. But you are missing the point I tried to explain. For 3 NBA playoff series Kobe has been on Jordan's level of greatness as compared to any of Jordan's championship runs. We are not talking awards and season accomplishments. We are talking playoffs and specially...championship runs. For these 3 playoff series Kobe has played every bit as well as Jordan has in any 3 playoff series in the Bull's championship runs.

Thats it. I am not saying anything other than that. Just take off the blinders or the hater shades or whatever. Watch a few playoff games of the Bull's (they are always on Classic) and then watch Kobe this playoffs. You'll see what I mean. Everything Jordan did in those games Kobe has done in these playoffs. No more...no less.

Kobe is playing at a high level and there's no denying that he is definitely the best player in the game, but you should watch the bulls-suns finals from '93. Hopefully some of those games will be on espn classic before the finals starts. Kobe is nowhere near jordan's level during the first three peat. It's also worth remembering that the NBA has almost become a guard's league in the last few years in the sense that none of the things defenders got away with in the '90s would be allowed today.

[PocketRockets]

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Kobe is playing at a high level and there's no denying that he is definitely the best player in the game, but you should watch the bulls-suns finals from '93. Hopefully some of those games will be on espn classic before the finals starts. Kobe is nowhere near jordan's level during the first three peat. It's also worth remembering that the NBA has almost become a guard's league in the last few years in the sense that none of the things defenders got away with in the '90s would be allowed today.

Exactly, Stern has eliminated the "hand check" in order to increase scores and push guards onto a pedestal. As much as he hates seeing tons of crossover dribbling and horrible (time-wise) jumpshots, when the shot goes in, the fans love it. The true OG, classic fans of basketball prefers passing, high shooting percentages and good defense, but those attributes are "boring" in today's fans' eyes. Don't get me wrong, I hate the Spurs b/c I think they are a dirty team, but the way they play/execute is beautiful. Detroit used to play good "old-school" ball in 04-05 and Houston played it in our 22 win streak. Good basketball in today's generation isn't exciting so the League has to manipulate matchups much like WWE to draw in more money. They also have to extend series that shouldn't last more than 4 games to 7 to make that revenue.

They don't make money, the players can't get paid. No players, no NBA. Another example of the MAN trying to keep his cash cow alive.

NBA = WWE

hahaha

[tha_rock220]

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Who is to say he won't accomplish those things by the time he is retired? Kobe is already on track. Kobe is a more skilled player while Jordan is a smarter player. But I think people over hype how good Jordan was b/c he was Jordan. What Kobe is doing in these playoffs is on par with anything Jordan has done in any of his championship runs. The way he is able to involve his teammates. Then take over when they need it. The way he can do involve his teammates and still make the first jump shot he takes when its time to take over. His defense has been great. The way he finishes game. The way he is able to take his killer instinct and channel to the rest of his inexperienced teammates.

He is not better than Jordan but the what he is doing in these playoffs IMO puts him on Jordan's level even if its for this seasons playoffs and no more. This is just in play. Not in accomplishments. Jordan never played better than Kobe is playing right now and visa versa.

Is this a joke??? Did you see Michael Jordan play from roughly 1988 to 1993???? Even if your argument is valid(It's not), and Kobe has as good as Jordan ever played these playoffs(He hasn't), it doesn't mean anything. Hakeem in the 95 playoffs as good as anyone ever has, but it doesn't mean Hakeem is standing there next to Jordan. Jordan maintained that level of play for a large part of his career.

Anyway, I don't want Jordan fans coming in here with their long ass essays about Jordan's greatness so let's leave the Jordan-Kobe threads for player comparisons.

It's obvious the NBA wanted a Lakers-Celtics finals. The simple fact that they admitted there was a foul in game 4 of the WCF but they did nothing about it is evidence. Some of the stupidest most lopsided trades were allowed. Anyone could have seen it from the get-go. I'm a basketball fan so I hate to say this, but I really hope this backfires on the NBA, they lose a **** of money, and Stern winds up having to resign.

[Iggyemu]

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Is this a joke??? Did you see Michael Jordan play from roughly 1988 to 1993???? Even if your argument is valid(It's not), and Kobe has as good as Jordan ever played these playoffs(He hasn't), it doesn't mean anything. Hakeem in the 95 playoffs as good as anyone ever has, but it doesn't mean Hakeem is standing there next to Jordan. Jordan maintained that level of play for a large part of his career.

Anyway, I don't want Jordan fans coming in here with their long ass essays about Jordan's greatness so let's leave the Jordan-Kobe threads for player comparisons.

It's obvious the NBA wanted a Lakers-Celtics finals. The simple fact that they admitted there was a foul in game 4 of the WCF but they did nothing about it is evidence. Some of the stupidest most lopsided trades were allowed. Anyone could have seen it from the get-go. I'm a basketball fan so I hate to say this, but I really hope this backfires on the NBA, they lose a **** of money, and Stern winds up having to resign.

Again more people that completely miss the point. The only person in this thread that gets what I am trying to say is tmac4mvp and he actually came back with an argument of his own telling me that Jordan in the 93 Finals was greater than anything Kobe has done in these playoffs or anybody for that matter. Thats fine. I personally don't agree with him mainly b/c those Suns where not nearly as good as the Spurs who got ousted in 5 while Kobe averaged 30+ points on 51% shooting. Against that defensive team. Against the greatest PF of all time and one of the best defenders our league has ever seen....Kobe put on a great performance for 5 games.

Jordan won titles in 1991,92 and 93 in the first 3 peat. 1988-1990 does not count b/c I said championship runs. And rock dude quite honestly you are a known Kobe-hater as we have all seen you post on the general board....so I take your arguments in regards to Kobe with a grain of salt.

And Hakeem is a big man and I really don't think I have to mention this but I guess some people still don't get that you compare perimeter players to perimeter players and you compare post players to post players. I am sure during Hakeem's title runs he was compared to the greatest post players ever. Kobe has to do it for a longer time to be as good as Jordan in the history of basketball or even better. But I am not talking long term. I am talking in a single playoff year. For one playoff season Kobe has been every bit as good as Jordan.