kirk hinrich?

[Ewingfan]

all this kirk hinrich talk is killin me. are you guys on drugs or what. the guy is shooting under 42% from the field for his career plus he is not a pure point guard and he doesn't play defense. i guess he'll fit right in

[yunggunz]

doesnt play defense? LMAO

[RRFB]

I'll take Hinrich, his 42% shooting, and his "bad" defense over Anthony Carter any day.

[airchibundo507]

all this kirk hinrich talk is killin me. are you guys on drugs or what. the guy is shooting under 42% from the field for his career plus he is not a pure point guard and he doesn't play defense. i guess he'll fit right in

he's a great defensive guard at the point who can guard opposing shooting guards without becoming a defensive liability. he guarded 2-guards with gordon on the floor and would do as well in the same situation with iverson. think of him as a rich man's steve blake.

regardless of his FG%...he is a sharpshooter. we really don't need him to score on his own; he'd be perfect playing off the attention that melo and AI get. I could see him playing a derek fischer type role in this offense...except with more responsibility in the aspect of setting up his teammates and directing ball movement.

in my perfect world...AI leaves after next year and we build a franchise placing an unselfish playmaker like hinrich (or augustine) around finishers like melo, jr, and nene.

[EMB6903]

I'll take Hinrich, his 42% shooting, and his "bad" defense over Anthony Carter any day.

ya but take a look at that contract of his.

[Varsity878]

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ya but take a look at that contract of his.

Its pricey but, the positive is it de-escalates every year. It could be worse, it could be Nene's or KMarts.

[SnakefromHell]

He got an early season slump and it snowballed from there... the pressure to score for the team got to him. He's never been a scoring player... he's there to do the job as a PG.

Unlike what people say about him, I think getting Hinrich would be great for us... the fact that he had a down year and he can be had for cheap is an opportunity to get a potential All-NBA guard now... Guard that plays defense... hmmm

[stefano2006]

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he's a great defensive guard at the point who can guard opposing shooting guards without becoming a defensive liability. he guarded 2-guards with gordon on the floor and would do as well in the same situation with iverson. think of him as a rich man's steve blake.

regardless of his FG%...he is a sharpshooter. we really don't need him to score on his own; he'd be perfect playing off the attention that melo and AI get. I could see him playing a derek fischer type role in this offense...except with more responsibility in the aspect of setting up his teammates and directing ball movement.

in my perfect world...AI leaves after next year and we build a franchise placing an unselfish playmaker like hinrich (or augustine) around finishers like melo, jr, and nene.

LOL.....Then I believe in your perfect you ll never seen a ring, neiher a conference final....
As soon as AI go, one between melo or JR will go....plus denver have melo and JR before AI, they also had blake....They were even more horrible than they are right now....
Denver fans might be they only one in the league dreaming to get Hinrich...what the H....

[The Rebel]

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LOL.....Then I believe in your perfect you ll never seen a ring, neiher a conference final....
As soon as AI go, one between melo or JR will go....plus denver have melo and JR before AI, they also had blake....They were even more horrible than they are right now....
Denver fans might be they only one in the league dreaming to get Hinrich...what the H....

I love this crap, Denver had Jr for two months before they got AI, and they got Blake a month after getting AI. The least you could do when posting is have some semblance of honesty and knowledge about what you are talking about, as this proves you have neither. Even with Boykins as a backup Pg, and JR just being brought in the Nuggets had a 60% winning percentage before the trade, with two eastern conference road trips already out of the way. To put it into perspective the Nuggets last year with the season and playoffs put together a 58% winning percentage, so I would say it was hard to say that the team was worse then they are now.

AS for JR and/ or Melo leaving I would love to hear the reasoning behind that one. I keep seeing AI fans say that but there is no basis to that and most knowledgeable fans realize that. I would actually bet that Jr would actually be more likely to resign knowing that the starting job is his if AI is gone.

[noone]

Even with Boykins as a backup Pg, and JR just being brought in the Nuggets had a 60% winning percentage before the trade, with two eastern conference road trips already out of the way. To put it into perspective the Nuggets last year with the season and playoffs put together a 58% winning percentage, so I would say it was hard to say that the team was worse then they are now.

Aside from 22 games being a very small sample size, the Nuggets actually had a 59% winning percentage (in an easier conference) which wouldn't have gotten them into the playoffs this past season (much tougher conference).

[el loco]

Even with Boykins as a backup Pg, and JR just being brought in the Nuggets had a 60% winning percentage before the trade, with two eastern conference road trips already out of the way. To put it into perspective the Nuggets last year with the season and playoffs put together a 58% winning percentage, so I would say it was hard to say that the team was worse then they are now.

Aside from 22 games being a very small sample size, the Nuggets actually had a 59% winning percentage (in an easier conference) which wouldn't have gotten them into the playoffs this past season (much tougher conference).

The AI trade is one of the factors that made the conference tougher. Since this trade, the wolves traded Garnett and have gone in the other direction, The Suns trade Marion for Shaq to give them a final push. The Lakers steal Gasol from Memphis, Dallas unloaded a great deal of its team for an aging Kidd and a shot at improving, The Jazz made a trade to get Korver, The Spurs went out and got Kurt Thomas, The Rockets and Hornets made a little deal. Everyone in the division has made a deal to combat the AI trade Denver made last season or so it seems.

[noone]

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The AI trade is one of the factors that made the conference tougher. Since this trade, the wolves traded Garnett and have gone in the other direction, The Suns trade Marion for Shaq to give them a final push. The Lakers steal Gasol from Memphis, Dallas unloaded a great deal of its team for an aging Kidd and a shot at improving, The Jazz made a trade to get Korver, The Spurs went out and got Kurt Thomas, The Rockets and Hornets made a little deal. Everyone in the division has made a deal to combat the AI trade Denver made last season or so it seems.

To start, the Wolves hadn't made the playoffs since 03-04. How good any other team in the West was or what trades they made hardly would have affected their decisions going forward. But most importantly, what was happening in the West had absolutely no bearing on the Celtics offering what they did for Garnett. Iverson traded to Denver or not, the trade would have happened.

The moves the Spurs and Jazz did were small moves to better their teams. Like the Boston trade, those moves would have happened regardless. Same goes for the Rockets and Hornets.

The Lakers made a no-brainer move for Gasol. Like the Spurs, Jazz, Rockets, and Hornets, they made a no-risk move. However, if anything, I think the Lakers move gave both the Suns and Dallas that final push to make huge, team-changing trades. Also keep in mind that at the time of those two moves, not only had 1+ years passed since the Iverson trade, but Denver was playing for their playoff lives. It seems a stretch to imagine anything Denver did or was doing had any bearing on other teams' moves.

All in all, the Iverson trade was merely the first of many big trades that occurred in the West, not the cause of those big trades.

[Nutty Nats Fan]

Even with Boykins as a backup Pg, and JR just being brought in the Nuggets had a 60% winning percentage before the trade, with two eastern conference road trips already out of the way. To put it into perspective the Nuggets last year with the season and playoffs put together a 58% winning percentage, so I would say it was hard to say that the team was worse then they are now.

Aside from 22 games being a very small sample size, the Nuggets actually had a 59% winning percentage (in an easier conference) which wouldn't have gotten them into the playoffs this past season (much tougher conference).

It is a smal sample size, but do you remember the situation?

Nuggets lost Kmart after the 1st two games. Nene wasn't back to 100%, only had limited minutes, and didn't play in 12 of the next games before the NY incident.

That meant a starting line up of Najera/Melo/Camby/JR/Miller played 20 games together. They went 13-7 which is 65%. 9 of those wins came without Nene or Kmart playing a single minute.

20 games is a small sample size, but better then the team managed after AI arrived with a healthy Nene (feb on 23-16, 59%). And this year with a healthy Kmart.

[noone]

They were actually 13-9 up to the NY game.

And none of the situations matter. Sure they were playing pretty well, but you still can't take much from 22 games.

The Rockets won 21 or 22 games in a row, but look at their final record.

The Blazers won 17 out of 18 games, yet they missed the playoffs only managing a .500 record.

At the end of the day, regardless of it being a small sample size, using winning percentages to compare a team in 2 vastly different seasons (due to all the big trades/acquisitions) is one of the worst ways to do it.

[The Rebel]

Even with Boykins as a backup Pg, and JR just being brought in the Nuggets had a 60% winning percentage before the trade, with two eastern conference road trips already out of the way. To put it into perspective the Nuggets last year with the season and playoffs put together a 58% winning percentage, so I would say it was hard to say that the team was worse then they are now.

Aside from 22 games being a very small sample size, the Nuggets actually had a 59% winning percentage (in an easier conference) which wouldn't have gotten them into the playoffs this past season (much tougher conference).

The actual winning percentage from the 23 games they played prior to the AI trade they were on a 60.8% pace, or 49.856 games, this year they won 60.9% of the regular season games, or 50 games, and while you may be right that over a 1/4 of the season is hard to judge how a team does throughout the season it is enough to see that the regular season winning percentage of 57.8% since the trade is not an improvement. Especially since they had the great greg Buckner, Dermarr Johnson, and Eddie Najera starting over 27 games during the 06 season and still put up a 44 win season. As for the overall improvement that the division has made, that may be somewhat true, however many AI fans love to discount the improvement of the players that has occurred, and would have occurred regardless of AI being on the team. On top of that while the West may have become a little more top heavy this year, reality is that overall the western teams combined to win exactly one more game this year then they did last. So it is another assumption people are making that is not based on reality.

They were actually 13-9 up to the NY game.

The trade was made after the Wizards game where the Nuggets beat them 117-108 on Dec 18th, the Ai was announced the next day.

At the end of the day, regardless of it being a small sample size, using winning percentages to compare a team in 2 vastly different seasons (due to all the big trades/acquisitions) is one of the worst ways to do it.

right because we should all just make a guess based on how we feel about the team. Why use actual winning percentage that is based on how many games the team actually won versus how many the lost, considering wins and losses are the bottom line after all.

[noone]

right because we should all just make a guess based on how we feel about the team. Why use actual winning percentage that is based on how many games the team actually won versus how many the lost, considering wins and losses are the bottom line after all.

Win percentage again doesn't take into consideration the strength of the conference in the respective years. And despite the West only winning 1 more game this season, it isn't even close. For example, you can expect to beat all the lower tier teams (aside from the 5-6 games every team loses), only this year those lower tier teams were a little worse. So the chances of beating them goes from say 80% to 90% (still an easy win). The upper echelon teams it's more or less 50-50 whether you win the games or not. But because they were so much better this season, those percentages get worse. Point being, normally there are around 7 teams in your conference where you can expect to win the games against. This season there were closer to 5. And that's huge when you play each team 3-4 times a year.

Numbers such as point differential are a much better indicator of how good the team actually is/was than wins and losses. There's a reason why historically the teams with the best point differential end up having the most success in the post season (top 2 teams in P.D. from each conference are in the finals this season). That said, even then, you can only rely on them so much when comparing two teams from two vastly different seasons. However, they are a much indicator of success than win percentage.

The trade was made after the Wizards game where the Nuggets beat them 117-108 on Dec 18th, the Ai was announced the next day.

I stand corrected, but really, that only helps make my point. One extra win (half a game) changed the win percentage of the team by almost 2%. That's a pretty big indicator that the sample size you're using is too small.

[Princerod]

I'd love Hinrich here next year: A backcourt AI/Hinrich/Smith, that's nearly perfect for me. With a healthy Nene... that smells the revivals of hope.

[Tommy Udo 6]

He got an early season slump and it snowballed from there... the pressure to score for the team got to him. He's never been a scoring player... he's there to do the job as a PG.

Unlike what people say about him, I think getting Hinrich would be great for us... the fact that he had a down year and he can be had for cheap is an opportunity to get a potential All-NBA guard now... Guard that plays defense... hmmm

Kirk got married in off-season

Bulls fans blame his slump on that. Even the female posters seemed to agree with that.

[BuLLzDoMaIn]

for one Kirk made 2nd all Team defense the season b4. almost made 1st team but they gave it to kobe instead


Kirks contract is front loaded
every year it gets smaller,

For kirk not being a pure PG he still got 6 apg With a team that missed alot of shots and everyone haven a bad year


Soooo i would say hes a great player, Im sure anyteam in need of a PG will go after Kirk

[girlygirl]

all this kirk hinrich talk is killin me. are you guys on drugs or what. the guy is shooting under 42% from the field for his career plus he is not a pure point guard and he doesn't play defense. i guess he'll fit right in

Hinrich is one of the best defensive guards in the league. He made 2nd team All-Defense two years ago and usually has to guard the opponent's best perimeter player.

He's not a great shooter overall, but he's a career 38% shooter from behind the arc and 82% from the FT line.

And while he's not a pure PG, he's still at 6.4 APG for his career, which isn't horrid (especially since he hasn't had a true low-post threat to play with other than Eddy Curry)