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Post#21 » by Rich Rane » Sat May 31, 2008 4:07 pm

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I'm personally not touching the lux tax with a 50' pole until we move to Brooklyn unless we can land a guy who will at least make us a top 5 team in the NBA. I don't see that happening this offseason though. We can make some moves to become very competitive without pushing the lux tax, but I don't see anything on the horizon that is gonna bring us a ring at least in terms of next season.


This is pretty much the basis of my feelings on why this team should rebuild. Yes, with a few moves we could become competitive. Yes, those moves are possible. But when it comes down to it, we can be competitive, but by no means can we become contenders, not even in the East.
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Post#22 » by mack69 » Mon Jun 2, 2008 3:21 am

You know I thought a lot about this since our last thread discussion. I am opposed to an all out rebuild project. I believe in fact I know that this organization can still compete.

If neccesary use this draft to get young players for development hopefully at SG or SF positions. Set yourself up to get LB when the time comes. The examples of rebuilding within the modern day has come back at least with inclusive results to put it mildly.

The thoughts of the LTT and not going into this area is a irrevelant point. Since taking over ownership Ratner has not allow Nets managers to venture into this area where he is clearly going lose money so the question is how is these guys are going to make changes whether it is to sign players or trade players without going into this area.

If you recall there were only two drafts that started the sucess of this first part of this decade the K-mart pick and the RJ, Collins draft. With the trading for Kidd spawned a very good run.

I'm looking for Thorn and Kiki to do the same thing continue to tweak whether it is aggressive or subtle changes.

I am not as talented with the salary cap like Rich, Deviljet or Gump. But if was up to me here is my blueprint.

Try to get Beasley if not use the 10th Pick on Deandre Jordan or Marresse Speights

The 21st Pick on Walker, Buddinger or Forbes

40th Pick J Giddens

Do not resign Diop and Boki.

Resign Nenad, use the following players for trade bait Swift, Hassel, KVH, MWill, RJ & Swill.

Same objective get a PF for a two year stint like JO or wait a year for Brand.

Trade for Mike Miller

possible FA Keyon Dooling, Mikael Pietrus.
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Post#23 » by Rich Rane » Mon Jun 2, 2008 6:02 am

mack69 wrote:You know I thought a lot about this since our last thread discussion. I am opposed to an all out rebuild project. I believe in fact I know that this organization can still compete.


Sure, but we aren't contenders.

If neccesary use this draft to get young players for development hopefully at SG or SF positions. Set yourself up to get LB when the time comes. The examples of rebuilding within the modern day has come back at least with inclusive results to put it mildly.


Yes, but retooling and making the trade for the purpose of making a trade has come up with results like the Knicks, Nuggets, and T-Wolves pre-KG trade.

The thoughts of the LTT and not going into this area is a irrevelant point. Since taking over ownership Ratner has not allow Nets managers to venture into this area where he is clearly going lose money so the question is how is these guys are going to make changes whether it is to sign players or trade players without going into this area.


If we were flat out contending, I'm talking division leader (Especially with how powerful Boston is), LTT should not be a problem for any team. But put yourself in Ratner's shoes and just think of how badly the team played post-Kidd and ask yourself if he should be paying over-the-cap money on this team, which has a great chance of bringing back the same core. With the move to Brooklyn coming soon, it only puts more pressure on his shoulder to look more into rebuilding.

If you recall there were only two drafts that started the sucess of this first part of this decade the K-mart pick and the RJ, Collins draft. With the trading for Kidd spawned a very good run.

I'm looking for Thorn and Kiki to do the same thing continue to tweak whether it is aggressive or subtle changes.


K-Mart, a nunmber 1 pick, and RJ traded for Eddie Griffin, a high draft pick. Thank rebuilding for these picks.

I am not as talented with the salary cap like Rich, Deviljet or Gump. But if was up to me here is my blueprint.

Try to get Beasley if not use the 10th Pick on Deandre Jordan or Marresse Speights

The 21st Pick on Walker, Buddinger or Forbes

40th Pick J Giddens

Do not resign Diop and Boki.


Whether we pick Beasly, Rose, or whomever is number 60 on any mock draft, this team isn't going to have any direction. Pick Beasly or Rose, we'd have to give up someone big in return. Use the 10, we're still nowhere near contending.

Resign Nenad, use the following players for trade bait Swift, Hassel, KVH, MWill, RJ & Swill.

Same objective get a PF for a two year stint like JO or wait a year for Brand.


This was the plan for getting KG, Gasol, etc.

Trade for Mike Miller


He's got a big contract. If we'd trade for JO, it would be hard to cover Miller's salary in a trade.

possible FA Keyon Dooling, Mikael Pietrus.


Unless we somehow follow that blueprint above, these guys would have already decided which team to go to before the season starts, which wouldn't be here. It's a great blueprint and this whole thing or something similar to it (Big man + shooter) has been discussed here to kingdom come with many of the posters yelling for the same thing. You got to understand though that 99% of the trades on the entire RealGM Forum don't happen. So for just a few minutes, just think what would happen if Thorn and Kiki use the current picks and don't make any trades?
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Post#24 » by kamaze » Tue Jun 3, 2008 12:53 am

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Then you are right. Amazing we're paying over the cap money for a team that still might not make playoffs next year. I don't count on us signing Pietrus when other teams that are better or have a better location that are over the cap could just sign him outright to their MLE.


That's where the genius of Thorn comes into play. I expect some changes to be made.

Marcus Williams at the least will be traded.
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Post#25 » by Rich Rane » Tue Jun 3, 2008 5:44 am

kamaze wrote:Marcus Williams at the least will be traded.


This doesn't decide the direction of the team...at all. Big contracts need to be moved whether for expirings, picks, and young talent or stars for this team to actually have a purpose this season.
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Post#26 » by kamaze » Tue Jun 3, 2008 10:35 am

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This doesn't decide the direction of the team...at all. Big contracts need to be moved whether for expirings, picks, and young talent or stars for this team to actually have a purpose this season.


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Post#27 » by Rich Rane » Tue Jun 3, 2008 2:45 pm

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*Scratches head
I din't say it did???


Yes, but I want every poster thinking which trade gets us where instead of just throwing blueprints and trade ideas everywhere. You mention Macrus Williams...for whom? Then what?
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Post#28 » by Preludepunk27 » Tue Jun 3, 2008 2:58 pm

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Yes, but I want every poster thinking which trade gets us where instead of just throwing blueprints and trade ideas everywhere. You mention Macrus Williams...for whom? Then what?


I always personally thought Marcus would be solid on the bucks backing up Mo Williams. I did read a week or two ago the Bucks were shopping Redd for an above average swing man because Mason and Simmons weren't cutting it. RJ/Stro/Marcus/#21/2010 1st Lottery Protected for Redd/Charlie V/2008 2nd Rounder works.

Only way I see us JUST moving Marcus is if we're packaging Marcus & #10 to move up. If that's not how he's being moved, he's just being thrown into a deal shipping RJ or Stro out of town.
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Post#29 » by mack69 » Tue Jun 3, 2008 7:27 pm

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This doesn't decide the direction of the team...at all. Big contracts need to be moved whether for expirings, picks, and young talent or stars for this team to actually have a purpose this season.


You know since Enetric stop posting. These threads has been less than spectacular.

But when you have differences of opinions it truly makes things interesting.

one way or another it will be good to know what direction the team is going.
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Post#30 » by Preludepunk27 » Tue Jun 3, 2008 7:31 pm

I agree Enetric made this board so much more enjoyable. Whether he was educating someone on how the NBA or Nets organization works. With him on these boards, half the garbage on here wouldn't even be discussed. I think we were very intellectual when he was around because you HAD to be to hang with Enetric.
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Post#31 » by kamaze » Tue Jun 3, 2008 8:33 pm

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Yes, but I want every poster thinking which trade gets us where instead of just throwing blueprints and trade ideas everywhere. You mention Macrus Williams...for whom? Then what?


And I want to be cock deisel & 5 years younger it'll never happen.

You know since Enetric stop posting. These threads has been less than spectacular.


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Post#32 » by mack69 » Tue Jun 3, 2008 9:00 pm

Rich,

Will you be comfortable if the organization still believes they can compete? Are you okay if they decide to do a Boston thing and say for the next two years this is our core and we are going to build around these players?
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Post#33 » by Preludepunk27 » Tue Jun 3, 2008 9:21 pm

mack69 wrote:Rich,

Will you be comfortable if the organization still believes they can compete? Are you okay if they decide to do a Boston thing and say for the next two years this is our core and we are going to build around these players?


Isn't that what we did when we got Vince? We used to be referred to as the Big 3 before Boston. If we go get JO that is clearly our plan. If we can somehow work an S&T for Brand that is different because that'd give us a 4-5 year window with Brand/Vince/Harris probably in that situation. We gotta wait to see the teams first move before we can figure out which is their plan.
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Post#34 » by Rich Rane » Tue Jun 3, 2008 11:00 pm

mack69 wrote:Rich,

Will you be comfortable if the organization still believes they can compete? Are you okay if they decide to do a Boston thing and say for the next two years this is our core and we are going to build around these players?


Boston was more of an accident with their injury list. I would be happy if Thorn or Kiki or even Ratner acknowledge where we're going. I only support rebuilding because if I put myself in Ratner's shoes and look at the move to Brooklyn (Then again, if I was Ratner, I'd want to stay in NJ) and our record post-Kidd trade along with our current payroll, it's pretty sensible.

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