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[scarman]

Camby for Battier/Alston

[RoxFan08]

Destroys the Rockets lineup. We have no one with the ability to backup (let alone start) at either the 1 or 3 after this trade, for Camby, who plays the 5, a position we have well covered.


Just not the right trade.

Possibly something involving Landry or Scola could be worked out, but certainly not both Battier and Alston.

???/Brooks?/Francis?
Tmac/Head?
???/???
Scola/Landry/Camby
Yao/Camby?


Just doesn't make any sense.

[scarman]

I mainly just put Alston in for filler purposes. Houston has no one that can backup Yao, and he has some injury problems. I figured Camby could start at the 4 or backup Yao when he get's hurt.

We could take out Alston and make it Francis or BJax.

Or how bout Camby/Kleiza for Battier/Scola

[RoxFan08]

I mainly just put Alston in for filler purposes. Houston has no one that can backup Yao, and he has some injury problems. I figured Camby could start at the 4 or backup Yao when he get's hurt.

We could take out Alston and make it Francis or BJax.

Or how bout Camby/Kleiza for Battier/Scola

Doubt Denver would want to do that deal, lol, and I'd be even more surprised if it worked under the cap.

[beemaster]

Battier doesn't fit in well with Denver. They are well stocked at SF. It's not a good fit for either team.

[Guy986]

Battier doesn't fit in well with Denver. They are well stocked at SF. It's not a good fit for either team.

SF or SG is irrelevant. Even if you put Battier on Center, he's still going to play the same way. The guy can defend any position from 1-4 and he's a deadly spot up shooter.

[The Rebel]

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SF or SG is irrelevant. Even if you put Battier on Center, he's still going to play the same way. The guy can defend any position from 1-4 and he's a deadly spot up shooter.

In case you missed it Denver has a ton of forwards and a couple of sgs, they need centers and Pgs, unless battier can capably play either of those two spots then he does not fit.

[yunggunz]

Or how bout Camby/Kleiza for Battier/Scola

Denver would definitely think about that, but with Kleiza involved the Nuggets would want Brooks as well, which might kill it because I know the Rox are high on Brooks.

Battier is a pretty good compliment to Melo and JR by bringing defense and outside shooting.

[Guy986]

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In case you missed it Denver has a ton of forwards and a couple of sgs, they need centers and Pgs, unless battier can capably play either of those two spots then he does not fit.

No he can not. What he can do though, is defend. I'm sure that is something that the defensively challenged Nugget is looking for.

[Storm Surge]

Rockets are content with Battier who atm is a better defender than Camby and will be more valuable on defense to the Rockets than Camby will be.

Battier guards the Kobes and the LeBrons while Camby plays the same position as the guy that will be getting 37 minutes a night named Yao.

Camby is also not a threat offensively with his streaky jumpshot, doesn't have a post up game either.

Camby brings what Mutombo brings with better rebounding and a better offensive game(but not enough better to trade Battier)

[scarman]

I think the Nuggets really need a SG, not a PG.

It just isn't working trying to figure out how Iverson is not going to be a defensive liability when playing SG. He should be playing PG.

So, that leaves LK as the SG (included in deal), JR (who isn't signed), Diawara and Iverson (who get's abused on defense).

So we either get a good defensive SG or PG to pair with Iverson. The only PG's available that fit the description are Calderon because of his size or Hinrich, but I am not overly excited about him. TJ Ford and Iverson would get abused, AC and Iverson would get abused.

Eddie is a FA also and may not be resigned.

So if we do this trade it leaves:
Iverson, Atkins
Battier, JR
Melo, JR, Eddie?
Kenyon, Scola, Eddie?
Nene, Hunter

That leaves a pretty solid defensive starting team, and instant offense on the bench with JR and Atkins able to change the pace. Scola and Eddie to come in and do the intangible dirty work if needed.

Houston trades a good perimeter defender for superior interior defender. They are both perennial all defensive team players. I would start Camby at PF with Yao at Center.

Scola and Kleiza are similar players, but Kleiza is a SF stuck behind Melo, and Scola would be stuck in the mix with Landry, Camby etc. So it makes sense to swap the SF for the PF.

Francis would have to be thrown in to make salaries match, but he would likely just be waived.

Houston would have:
Alston, Brooks, BJax
McGrady, Head, Kleiza
Kleiza, McGrady
Camby, Landry
Yao, Camby

I am just doing this from memory so maybe I missed some of Houston's role players. I think this helps Houston as well.

[The Rebel]

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No he can not. What he can do though, is defend. I'm sure that is something that the defensively challenged Nugget is looking for.

Unless the Nuggets move AI though he is going to have one hell of a time finding more then 20 minutes a game, so no I do not think it is worth giving up Camby for that.

[The Rebel]

Denver views Jr as their long term answer at sg, so no they really do not need a great Sg, they need bigs and a Pg unless they move Kleiza and then they need one guy who can play 25 minutes anight at sg/sf..

[scarman]

Denver views Jr as their long term answer at sg, so no they really do not need a great Sg, they need bigs and a Pg unless they move Kleiza and then they need one guy who can play 25 minutes anight at sg/sf..

I think you mean "The Rebel" views Jr as their long term answer at SG.
I am not sure that I want to count on a guy that frequently shoots from 8 ft beyond the arc and has mental lapses the size of the Grand Canyon. JR reminds me of Vinny Johnson from the old Detroit dynasties. Great sixth man that can come in and change a game on any given night, but probably not someone that build your foundation around.

Also, you say they need bigs, but apparently the one person they are most likely to trade is their starting center. Why are we shopping the starting center if we are so desperate for bigs?

If we could find a decent PG to pair with Iverson, then I would not be against it, but I just don't think they are available. I don't believe Hinrich is the solution. I don't think Toronto will part with Calderon. I don't think TJ Ford is the solution.

From my perspective, if we can't get a PG that fits, then I want to get a SG that fits. JR should be coming off the bench.

[yunggunz]

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I think you mean "The Rebel" views Jr as their long term answer at SG.
I am not sure that I want to count on a guy that frequently shoots from 8 ft beyond the arc and has mental lapses the size of the Grand Canyon. JR reminds me of Vinny Johnson from the old Detroit dynasties. Great sixth man that can come in and change a game on any given night, but probably not someone that build your foundation around.

The Nuggets front office is very high on him as well. Karl came to them around the all star break asking them to make a trade to bring in a three point shooter, and they basically responded by saying "look at you your bench, ****". From what I have heard, they were pretty peeved with how he misused JR. But once he got in the lineup, he really shined. and yes, he takes ridiculous shots but he also makes those ridiculous shots mroe often then not.

With his mental lapses and BBall IQ, of course he's not a guy to build the foundation around, but thats not what the Nuggets are looking for. They need someone who can compliment Carmelo, and JR does that excellently.

Also, you say they need bigs, but apparently the one person they are most likely to trade is their starting center. Why are we shopping the starting center if we are so desperate for bigs?

Several reasons. One is chemistry. Two is age. Three is lux tax.

[scarman]

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Several reasons. One is chemistry. Two is age. Three is lux tax.

I don't think Camby has any chemistry problems. If anything he has great chemistry with Nene. Nene is great one on one defender, and Camby is a great help defender. It allows the Nuggets to put Nene (or Kenyon) on the better front court player and then have Camby patrol for perimeter drives and help defense.

If there is a chemistry problem it is between Iverson, JR, and Melo on offense, which is partially why it has turned into isolation plays for Denver. They don't know how to play off of each other very well.

I can understand people saying that Camby is old, but he isn't that old. He just came off being number one in blocks and second in rebounds. You don't do that if you are about to retire from the league.

Regarding lux tax, if we trade for lux tax purposes, that must mean that they feel they can survive without him, which does not support the theory that the Nugs need bigs. Also this trade would address that problem with recieving Francis's expiring Contract.

So in short, I do not believe it is because of chemistry or age. It has a little to do with Lux tax, but mostly to do with that he is desired, because he still produces at a very high level with a reasonable contract. He is one of the few tradeable contracts the Nuggets have.

[BrooklynBulls]

Oops.

[scarman]

Such a bad deal for Miami. Just wow. Thats the sort of package you offer for Marion and Haslem. Then it'd be considered.

I think you are reading the wrong thread.

[BrooklynBulls]

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I think you are reading the wrong thread.

What the hell just happened? Freakin' Safari. Sorry.