uh, lakers-gasol for nothing...celtics-garnett for jefferson

[gerrit4]

Will the Cap Space Memphis got ever amount to a player of Jefferson's caliber?

He's no KG (never will be) but did put up similar stats this year and is way younger. When you're trading a superstar who is killing your cap, you can't expect a much better return.

And though Bynum's been a better player than Jefferson this year (not statwise, but overall) he was still just a potential guy last summer when the trade was offered.

[rjgraca]

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Pau Gasol has been wanting out of Memphis all summer long. Their has been plenty of reports of him not being happy in Memphis and wanting to go somewhere were he can contend.

Ill admit the Gasol trade was lopsided but it still doesn't mean those other trades mentioned weren't. The way you try to make them sound reasonable while not giving the Lakers an ounce of fair reasoning is absurd.

Yes, Pau Gasol had asked out, but he had backed off on that and the Grizzlies didn't have to donate him to the Lakers while Chicago's offer with non-core players and draft choices which was in their better interests. The difference of B. Davis wanting out and Gasol is their salaries (15 million for Gasol and 20 million for Davis. Baron Davis was playing hooky on the disabled list and generally being as uncoperative as possible while Gasol was being professional about it.

Sure their were plenty of reports of Gasol wanting out, but their were plenty of reports of Kobe wanting out too and they didn't donate him to another team for far under his market value did they. What is an ounce of fair reasoning for an absurd deal that made little sense for the Grizzlies and clearly was a blind squirrel (Kupchak) finding a NUT (Wallace).

[BringYoAGame]

Lakers fan and I'll freely admit that trade was lopsided as hell. The fact that Jerry West has connections to both teams and then was the man presenting the WC Champs trophy to the Lake Show was also probably a little dubious. That said, said though it's still a jump to go from saying the trade was stupid to saying it was shady.

McHale was negotiating with an old teammate when he traded KG, and there were a ton of teams angling for him, including the Lakers (what I heard was Odom+Bynum+Draft Pick). McHale ended up trading to his old team to the exclusion of plenty of suitors. I'll give him credit: at least he got something for it though.

Gasol was on the trading block for more than a full season before he was finally traded. He'd also made his desire to get out public by the end, only sucking it up mid-season. Chicago was the obvious destination, but I think they balked on Luol Deng. Their mistake. I'm sure West was consulted but the guys pulling the trigger were a known terrible GM (Wallace) and a known terrible owner (Heisley). What I'm saying is there's a stronger case to be made for stupid than for shady.

Speaking of shady though, how about Brent Barry basically announcing his return plans in that Kurt Thomas trade, coming back, and then being the only thing keeping them in the game in Game 4? Technically that's a league no-no, and it's gotten other deals nixed from on high, but I didn't see Pops rail against that one.

One last note, Bibby would be a Laker were it not for the fact that the Kings owners didn't want to deal with LA. So it's not as if being the Lakers means you keep getting things for free, though they did kinda rob Memphis, didn't they

[Atlanta Hawk Fan]

One last note, Bibby would be a Laker were it not for the fact that the Kings owners didn't want to deal with LA. So it's not as if being the Lakers means you keep getting things for free, though they did kinda rob Memphis, didn't they

Who was LA offering? I hadn't heard that.

[C.Delfino]

The quote above is a prime example of the opinion around the league where the Laker Truth (Kobe) calls it a 'donation'

Just to clarify, Wojnarowskis quotation of Kobe is wrong. Kobe did not call the trade a donation, he said others around the league "don't really call it a trade. A donation, maybe." here is the correct quote: http://nbcsports.msnbc.com/id/24892396/

So probably other guys in the league feel the trade was more like a donation, but Kobe himself is smart enough not to call it that.

[BringYoAGame]

Who was LA offering? I hadn't heard that.

Story
I was never really sure on the details but probably Kwame Brown and one of the young guards (Farmar, Crit), plus whatever junk would've made the money work.

[rjgraca]

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Just to clarify, Wojnarowskis quotation of Kobe is wrong. Kobe did not call the trade a donation, he said others around the league "don't really call it a trade. A donation, maybe." here is the correct quote: http://nbcsports.msnbc.com/id/24892396/

So probably other guys in the league feel the trade was more like a donation, but Kobe himself is smart enough not to call it that.

Thanks again for another new link.

Or, as Kobe Bryant said with a laugh Thursday night, "I talk about the trade with guys around the league and they don't really call it a trade. A donation, maybe."

http://nbcsports.msnbc.com/id/24892396/

[kobeaki]

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Just to clarify, Wojnarowskis quotation of Kobe is wrong. Kobe did not call the trade a donation, he said others around the league "don't really call it a trade. A donation, maybe." here is the correct quote: http://nbcsports.msnbc.com/id/24892396/

So probably other guys in the league feel the trade was more like a donation, but Kobe himself is smart enough not to call it that.

adrian blowjobnarski(or whatever) is a very well known kobe -hater, seriously one of the worst out there, fwiw.

[richboy]

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You are very good a blowing smoke.

The quote above is a prime example of the opinion around the league where the Laker Truth (Kobe) calls it a 'donation'. So from you comment you are subscribing to the blind squirrel (Kupchak) being able to find a nut (Wallace) theory.

Yes, PJ Brown was traded for Tyson -- but PJ Brown was and is a good role player with an expiring contract and Kwame Brown is a known total bust. Baron Davis forced the trade while that wasn't the case with Gasol dispite published reports earlier. If the Lakers would have sent a good prospect like Bynum -- there wouldn't have been a debate -- Critten is a marginal prospect which Memphis had no real need for when they already had two good young prospect PGs.

While the Boston deals where favorable to Boston -- there was a big difference in a high lottery pick to Seattle and a prime good prospect like Jefferson moving to the Wolves which wasn't present in the Memphis donation with the Lakers. I was very amused when West showed up at the WCF when the Lakers won it.

The Randolph trade you are illustrating for value is another example of you mixing apples and oranges in you comparisons. Randolph has known off the court issues that make him very risky while Gasol does NOT.
Randolph is a black hole on offense while Gasol doesn't share that trait with him which is why your comparison is apples and oranges.

No your blowing the smoke. Your giving me a ton of reasons why these are different. The major difference is I didn't hear any crying about any of those moves. Yet I guarantee if Baron Davis had went to the Lakers we would be hearing the whinning.

Randolph being a black hole doesn't change the reality. Your saying last year or perhaps even this year I had a thread saying Gasol vs Randolph on the player comparison board that Gasol would win by a mile. Seems like a year ago when I was asking the Bulls board about Gasol I heard the words no defense. Can't rebound. Soft. Injury prone. Now your saying that Gasol was thought so much more highly than Randolph.

PJ Brown was almost done. The Hornets received a top defensive C for someone that was not going to even be on the roster in a year.

Baron Davis forcing a trade doesn't change the fact that GS received him for just about nothing.

Critt is 6'5 and capable of playing either guard spots. Why we keep talking like there no shot that Conley and Critt could play together.

If you think this is done then think again. Just wait to see what expiring contracts like Marbury, Lafrentz lads in the future. People need to relax. Baseball has been doing this for years. Memphis received Cap space. They got out of a players contract that has years left on it. A player that was not wanted in Memphis anymore. They also get young prospects. Don't cry because the Lakers didn't give up enough. They wouldn't take Odom if he was offered. The Lakers are not going to trade Bynum.

Whats funny is I'm still waiting for one team to come with a better package. I hear lots of complaints but I dont see any realistic trades from other organizations.

Clippers- don't need him
Kings - no don't see it
GSW- who Al Harrington? Rather have cap space.
Phx- Marion contract isn't expiring unless he opts out so can't see it
Seattle- could do better than Lakers but there not adding salary
Utah-Kirlenko the best they could do. I rather have the cap space.
Minnesota- same situation like Seattle
Portland - don't need him
Denver- Camby for Gasol. I rather have cap space.
Dallas- could have had him but wouldn't give Josh Howard
Houston- nothing to offer
NO- nothing to offer
SA- nothing to offer
Boston- nothing to offer
Orlando- nothing to offer
Phili- Dalember? Rather go cap space
Knicks- NEXT
Nets- RJ perhaps? Already have Rudy Gay however.
Cavs- nothing to offer
Indy- nothing to offer
Mil- Michael Redd? I might do if Bucks offered but not a big fan.
Det- only worth talking unless they give Stuckey
Chi- could have had but didn't want to pay luxury tax
Atl- could have had but wouldn't give JJ, Horford or Josh Smith
Char- unless they offer Okafor nothing to talk about
Mia- had expiring contracts but no young talent
Wsh-Jamison, Young, Blatche maybe? Memphis does Wsh doesn't
Tor- nothing to offer

[Happyfoosball]

garnett for jefferson was a pretty good deal for Minny

It was the Ray Allen trade that was ridiculous.

And yes, the Gasol was the most abvious one because nobody else had a chance to bid. And anybody who thinks that another team wouldn't have upped the anti is crazy.

[rjgraca]

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You are very good a blowing smoke.

The quote above is a prime example of the opinion around the league where the Laker Truth (Kobe) calls it a 'donation'. So from you comment you are subscribing to the blind squirrel (Kupchak) being able to find a nut (Wallace) theory.



No your blowing the smoke. Your giving me a ton of reasons why these are different. The major difference is I didn't hear any crying about any of those moves. Yet I guarantee if Baron Davis had went to the Lakers we would be hearing the whinning.

Randolph being a black hole doesn't change the reality. Your saying last year or perhaps even this year I had a thread saying Gasol vs Randolph on the player comparison board that Gasol would win by a mile. Seems like a year ago when I was asking the Bulls board about Gasol I heard the words no defense. Can't rebound. Soft. Injury prone. Now your saying that Gasol was thought so much more highly than Randolph.

PJ Brown was almost done. The Hornets received a top defensive C for someone that was not going to even be on the roster in a year.

Baron Davis forcing a trade doesn't change the fact that GS received him for just about nothing.

Critt is 6'5 and capable of playing either guard spots. Why we keep talking like there no shot that Conley and Critt could play together.

If you think this is done then think again. Just wait to see what expiring contracts like Marbury, Lafrentz lads in the future. People need to relax. Baseball has been doing this for years. Memphis received Cap space. They got out of a players contract that has years left on it. A player that was not wanted in Memphis anymore. They also get young prospects. Don't cry because the Lakers didn't give up enough. They wouldn't take Odom if he was offered. The Lakers are not going to trade Bynum.

Whats funny is I'm still waiting for one team to come with a better package. I hear lots of complaints but I dont see any realistic trades from other organizations.

Clippers- don't need him
Kings - no don't see it
GSW- who Al Harrington? Rather have cap space.
Phx- Marion contract isn't expiring unless he opts out so can't see it
Seattle- could do better than Lakers but there not adding salary
Utah-Kirlenko the best they could do. I rather have the cap space.
Minnesota- same situation like Seattle
Portland - don't need him
Denver- Camby for Gasol. I rather have cap space.
Dallas- could have had him but wouldn't give Josh Howard
Houston- nothing to offer
NO- nothing to offer
SA- nothing to offer
Boston- nothing to offer
Orlando- nothing to offer
Phili- Dalember? Rather go cap space
Knicks- NEXT
Nets- RJ perhaps? Already have Rudy Gay however.
Cavs- nothing to offer
Indy- nothing to offer
Mil- Michael Redd? I might do if Bucks offered but not a big fan.
Det- only worth talking unless they give Stuckey
Chi- could have had but didn't want to pay luxury tax
Atl- could have had but wouldn't give JJ, Horford or Josh Smith
Char- unless they offer Okafor nothing to talk about
Mia- had expiring contracts but no young talent
Wsh-Jamison, Young, Blatche maybe? Memphis does Wsh doesn't
Tor- nothing to offer

Wow. From your post I can see that you are definitely part of the blind squirrel club. Using the crutch of crying when you can't come up with anything that justifies your weak point of view.
Get a clue dude and read my posts about the Chicago offers for Gasol last year and you see I didn't share the crutch opinion of soft that you are leaning on heavily to justify your whining about how the Laker donation is all good. Now Randolph being a black hole on offense isn't the issue when it doesn't fit your little world of reality of smoke which this post relies on heavily and the haze is still hanging in this thread.

Maybe you noticed that PJ Brown is playing on the Celtics quite well in his role off the bench, but that doesn't fit your version of reality either. Now you have stay in context of the trade when Chandler wasn't considered a star when the trade went down -- not comparing him to now as you are becoming famous for your apple to oranges comparisons.

What about the Davis trade compares with the Gasol trade -- you haven't made a your point about it. HAzy smoke doesn't count.

Oh, stop with the Critt being the reason the Memphis Grizzlies made the trade or they seriously considered it it is just too funny to think about.

O.K. I'll wait for another Gasol like lop sided trade for LaFrentz and Marbury, but published reports are not supporting your position so far.

High on the list of issues up for debate is what to do with Stephon Marbury. On Friday Walsh tried to suggest that he is optimistic the controversy-riddled point guard will get his game - and his attitude - on the right track. But the Knicks this summer will still try to shop Marbury, 31, who is heading into the final year of his contract at a hefty $21 million.

It is expected to be a fruitless endeavor. During the week here at the NBA predraft camp, Newsday polled several team executives, general managers and scouts to see if Marbury, a former all-star, had any trade value at this point. Even with his valuable expiring contract, most said no.

http://www.newsday.com/sports/basketbal ... 0185.story

One source with knowledge of the process said the Bulls had made the most credible offer. For Gasol and Memphis

[Celtsfan1980]

Well, you all have to deal with lakers man handling ur teams for the next decade so bitchin about it ain't gonna make it go away.

Kobe is getting a little older and will likely start to break down within 4 years and possibly far sooner than that. Unless you think Bynum will be the next Olajuwon, I can't see it happening for close to 10 years.

It's hilarious seeing the excuses being made. I think Jefferson will be a very good second or third option, but he's certainly not the leader of a Championship team. Telfair and Gomes could be good reserves as long as Minnesota keeps them. I don't see much potential in any of the players Memphis acquired, but Gasol is no Garnett. I think Minnesota could have gotten more, but that partially makes up for Boston not getting Tim Duncan. Memphis could have gotten a lot more.

[Celtsfan1980]

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It was the Ray Allen trade that was ridiculous.

And yes, the Gasol was the most abvious one because nobody else had a chance to bid. And anybody who thinks that another team wouldn't have upped the anti is crazy.

Ray Allen has had ankle problems, is older, and has a high salary. People were mocking Ainge after that trade, but it was a big gamble that paid off. Nothing ridiculous about it.

[Celtsfan1980]

[quote="kobeaki"][/quote]
Pierce has been very quiet for the most part considering Walker was the best teammate he had. What quotes are you referring to when you say he's done all but asked to be traded?

[TonyMontana]

Okay so we got Gasol for nothing AGAIN, who cares?
Seriously, I mean no matter what anyone says or posts , its always something new when it comes to the Lakers, Kobe got the MVP since he robbed CP3, PHilJ. doesnt deserve his rings cause he rode MJs and Shaqs coattail.......... The Lakers are in the finals cause of the NBA conspiracy.
I mean no matter what anyone says there's always another thread popping up somewhere else caliming the same things.

Okay so we got Gasol for nothing..... We know, Isnt that nice.
Thats how good of a G.M Mitch is.......... He should be commended for the job well done, I mean isnt that what a good G.M should do?

So why is everyone mad, casue of the Lakers success, oh wait thats because of Stern's help too..........

[Basti]

Okay so we got Gasol for nothing AGAIN, who cares?
Seriously, I mean no matter what anyone says or posts , its always something new when it comes to the Lakers, Kobe got the MVP since he robbed CP3, PHilJ. doesnt deserve his rings cause he rode MJs and Shaqs coattail.......... The Lakers are in the finals cause of the NBA conspiracy.
I mean no matter what anyone says there's always another thread popping up somewhere else caliming the same things.

Okay so we got Gasol for nothing..... We know, Isnt that nice.
Thats how good of a G.M Mitch is.......... He should be commended for the job well done, I mean isnt that what a good G.M should do?

So why is everyone mad, casue of the Lakers success, oh wait thats because of Stern's help too..........

b/c there are not many lakers fans out there willing to admit they got a lopsided deal and try to convince others as it were a decent deal for Memphis. plus I can't see why you all keep saying Kupchak is a great GM. I can tell you EVERY GM in this league would have done that trade if he were in Kupchak's position. and I can recall a lote of whining last summer by many Lakers fans that wanted Kupchak to be fired. I can smell hypocrisy. at least admit that Kupchak was lucky enough to finish that deal or that you were wrong last summer.

[LakerFanMan]

^^^ Why is that hypocrisy? Last summer was a long time ago, he's done a lot of good things since last summer. He signed fisher, bynum and farmar finally started to look like great picks this year, and he pulled off the Gasol trade, which he proposed. That's a lot.

I also don't see a lot of Laker fans saying it wasn't lopsided. People are just saying that the young talent the lakers sent memphis is being very underrated. Was it lopsided in our favor? Yup. Are Critt and Marc Gasol crap? Certainly not.

[Basti]

^^^ Why is that hypocrisy? Last summer was a long time ago, he's done a lot of good things since last summer. He signed fisher, bynum and farmar finally started to look like great picks this year, and he pulled off the Gasol trade, which he proposed. That's a lot.

I think it is hypocrisy if most of you keep saying how great of a GM kupchak is while only less then 12 months ago most of you were really mad at him and wanted to see him gone. admit that he fortunately proved most of you wrong and I for myself have no problem with it anymore.

[pillwenney]

The only trade that I can see that really compares is the Vince Carter trade.

Chandler was looking like a huge mistake of a contract to the Bulls when he was traded. That was at least fair value at the time.

Baron had asked out, was becoming a problem in the locker room and was often injured (and had a ton of money left on his deal). Other than the the money, none of that stuff was really the case with Pau (since he had backed off the trade request), and Pau was more valuable also just by virtue of the fact that he was a big.

Randolph is a pretty crappy basketball player on a huge contract with attitude problems--not really comparable.

And of course it's certainly partly because it's the Lakers and is relevant to the league now. That doesn't justify everything wrong about the situation though.

And also, just as a side note, if the Grizz were so desperate to dump salary, I would think that Mike Miller would have been pretty easy to dump.

[Vindicater]

Yeah, Im alittle surprised Miller was not moved quickly after Gasol...