The Trade That Needs to Happen

[lralph]

This might come as a bit of a shocker, but chew on this one. I believe this trade makes the Warriors perennial contenders for years to come, albeit with a potential slight step backward this year (then again maybe not).


Warriors Trade:

Baron Davis
Al Harrington

To the Knicks for:

Stephan Marbury
David Lee
6th pick in 2008 draft
Nate Robinson
Malik Rose (expiring contract)

Why? The situation with Baron is going to get nothing but worse. If we can keep him beyond this year it will cost us a bundle and put us right back in salary cap trouble. Additionally he will be 30 and has played one full season w/o injury in years.

Harrington is not the answer at small or power forward.

The trade reduces our cap level over $20 million after next year, putting us in position to add any other pieces we need.

But Marbury!!!! Give him a chance, if he is the cancer he is thought to be put him on the inactive list and let him stay home and watch cartoons all day.

But what about a point guard? More than one reputable site has Mayo going at number 6, even if he is not available, Gordon will be and Bayless might be. If we don't like those options trade down to the 10 pick or so and get Westbrook or D.J. Still no good? The number six pick will get us a very serviceable point guard now playing in the NBA with change left over (probably a late first rounder)

Keep in mind we also keep our number 14 pick.

Why would the Knicks to do this? Walsh has said his priority is a point guard. Baron is a top five PG at worst. They get rid of a nighmare situation with Marbury and get a replacement in Harrington for LEE.

The knicks will have no problem extending Baron and for alot less money than he makes this year.

This trade puts the knicks in the playoffs next year. No way the number 6 pick does that for them.

The money works too, check it out.

Comments?

[WarFan]

Take out Rose and flip Lee and Robinson to a third team for a 1st-round pick and a useful player.

[rutheredfox]

1st of all no team wants to take marbury or his contract. losing harrington puts a serious concern in our sf/pf postions. baron gets replaced by whoever we get at #6 with robinson as backup, but we lose a premier 3pt shooter and in return get david lee who couldn't make a basket from beyond two feet. only thing david lee's gonna do is take away minutes from biedrins, because those two won't be on the floor at the same time. thing about traidng with the knicks is a third team has to be involved to make any trade work.

[lralph]

We need Roses expiring contract to keep the money right. As far a trading Lee and Robinson, if we can do better by trading them fine.

Also, we don't need to deal with Marbury, his contract is expiring, we can tell him to stay home. We have the 14th pick for a SG/SF. I'll take my chances with Joe Alexander or Rush.

And... again we have $20 million to play with next year. Thats La Bron type money!!!

[GSW2K4]

I chewed on this some... and it's interesting enough to comment on...because when you step back and look at it, the players could fit...

1st of all no team wants to take marbury or his contract.

EC, if he causes problems, deactivate him and send him home to expire...

losing harrington puts a serious concern in our sf/pf postions.

Jackson was our SF starter, and we keep him. If we keep 14, there would be a SG/SF there that will be a better defender and less of a tweener than Al... don't see anything that wrong with losing Al and his salary...

but we lose a premier 3pt shooter and in return get david lee who couldn't make a basket from beyond two feet.

Premier 3pt shooter? Are you referring to Harrington? That seems overstated. he's our best shooter... but doesn't rank in the top 50 league wide. He can be replaced.. again, at 14, Rush could replace that shooting...and maybe Marco will develop

only thing david lee's gonna do is take away minutes from biedrins, because those two won't be on the floor at the same time.

Why? Lee is a power forward. I agree he's like a smaller Biedrins, but I'll take all the rebounders I can get.

The way I see it, we get the 6th pick, a free try out with Lee, and relief from Al's contract. It's not a great trade, but financially, it could help us out and fill some holes in the process...

[Chris Cohan]

The deal is too good to be true. We'd be getting whatever the Knicks take at 6, not the pick. Baron can't be moved pre-draft, far as we know, and Al for 6 won't fly even for temporary cosmetic purposes.

[lralph]

Not certain but I believe if Baron exercises his option to stay he can be traded before the draft. From what I hear Baron's people are the ones who contacted the Knicks about a possible trade. Also, if the W's and Knicks are on the same page the Knicks will take who we tell them to. Just like last year with Brandon.

This may not even be necessary if we do it before draft day.

[Warriorfan]

NY might do this deal if Mayo or Bayless is off the board.

NY would probably counter offer instead of Robinson, and Lee Collins,Balkman, Wilson scrubs or ask for the #14,

Baron can renounce his option beforehand to fascilitate the trade.
#6 pick could be Brook Lopez, Kevin Love or Gordon.

Marbury with an ax to burn can be good for a year plus can guard the Big SG to complement Ellis.

[WarFan]

We need Roses expiring contract to keep the money right. As far a trading Lee and Robinson, if we can do better by trading them fine.

Also, we don't need to deal with Marbury, his contract is expiring, we can tell him to stay home. We have the 14th pick for a SG/SF. I'll take my chances with Joe Alexander or Rush.

And... again we have $20 million to play with next year. Thats La Bron type money!!!

Rose's contract is not needed to make the deal work, here's the numbers:

Salaries
Player '07-'08 '08-'09
Baron 16.5 17.8
Al 8.4 9.2
Total: 24.9 27

Marbury 19 20.8
Lee 1 1.8
Nate 1.3 2
Total: 21.3 24.6

Both of those totals are easily within 125% either before or after the July 1st. Taking back Rose is just putting us $7 million closer to the tax.

[lralph]

Good catch WarFan. Makes the deal even better

[FNQ]

Wonder if the Kings would take Nate + Lee for that 1st of theirs...

[WarFan]

Wonder if the Kings would take Nate + Lee for that 1st of theirs...

That's a little higher than I was hoping for.

I think I'd try to flip Lee to Memphis for Crittenton and either #28 or a #5-#6 swap if they were gonna take Love. Then send Robinson home to Seattle for Aidrian Griffin (unguaranteed contract) and #24 or #32.

[TB]

i'd okay that trade. But i'd hire Big Black Security to follow Monta and not let Starbury anywhere near him.

draft Love/gordon/gallo with the 6th. Draft Rush at 14.

[DLeagueAllStars]

why even keep Starbury.. just buy him out

and yeah, trade Lee and Midget for the #12 and draft Joe Alexander

our rooks would be Love, Alexander and Rush

Monta(if he works at PG), Rush, Alexander, Love, Wright, Belli and Beans.. SJAX would be the vet for 2 years... nice

[Left*My*Heart]

You wouldn't want to buy out Marbury since he is an expiring contract. He can even be traded at the deadline, but I would think the Warriors would keep him for the cap relief.

I like several of the trade ideas and especially moving Al and Baron. I would believe that Marbury would be on his best behavior, but hey he isn't the smartest guy. I would love to see Marbury, Balkman, Robinson and #6 for Al and Baron. We probably will need to sweeten the pot with Kosta... I would try and move Robinson to another team, but he is an expiring that will add to the cap savings next year.

[GSW2K4]

I haven't seen Lee play that much...

What do people have against him? Aside from the fact he doesnt fit in Nellie's scheme -- Nellie will be leaving...

[rutheredfox]

I haven't seen Lee play that much...

What do people have against him? Aside from the fact he doesnt fit in Nellie's scheme -- Nellie will be leaving...

Robin Lopez < Varejeao < Lee < Biedrins
nothing against him.

[rutheredfox]

actually i do have something against him, the fact that he won the mvp in fresh.soph game. monta should've won that.

[WarFan]

I haven't seen Lee play that much...

What do people have against him? Aside from the fact he doesnt fit in Nellie's scheme -- Nellie will be leaving...

Nothing against him really, but I think both Biedrins and Wright are better and Lee doesn't do anything that they can't. Even without Nellie's scheme he's not a great fit, I want two more players in the front-court rotation that bring different skills to complement Beans and Wright. Therefore, I'd flip Lee for a different piece.

[Hopper15]

Baron Davis cannot be traded until July 1.