What about free agents?

Darren · Post #1 » by **Darren** » Sat May 31, 2008 11:45 pm

Sign both Zo (38) & Dikembe (41) with vet min. We can match up althetic C, strong C or taller C. Then throw the money for James Jones (27). We fix all our holes.

C - Zo / Damp / Mutombo
PF - Dirk / Bass / DG
SF - JJ / AW / RAT
SG - JoHo / Stack / EJ
PG - Kidd / JET / JJB

I know it is a prime dream. But the prospect is intriguing. That would be the best 3-headed bigs in the team history ever. We can compete for a season or two before rebuilding.

dtownmavs41 · Post #2 » by **dtownmavs41** » Sun Jun 1, 2008 12:15 am

More than likely Zo will retire after tearing multiple things in his knee and also at his age. I like the idea of James Jones, he is a good three point shooter and a decent defender. I don't know if he is exactly what we would want as a starter but a good bench player. Dikembe probably won't leave Houston, he likes it there and fits in well with their system. Also with Yao as a lock of getting hurt every year he knows he will get playing time at some point while in Houston, as well as early vacation since they can't get out of the first round.

IMO we need to trade to get a scoring shooting guard to make Jason Kidd more useful, someone who can get out and run. I believe Howard could do this but he is becoming unwanted in Dallas and he believes that his skills are something that they aren't. Example: One foot infront of the three point line then fade away jump shot, the ball stops when he touches it on the break and while the ball is moved around the perimeter.

Michael Redd would be a good fit here if we can get another athletic wing man through free agency, or if we could some how move into the first round and draft a Chris Douglas Roberts.

Rand10 · Post #3 » by **Rand10** » Sun Jun 1, 2008 3:36 am

A handful of scrubs won't make us contenders.

dirkforpres · Post #4 » by **dirkforpres** » Sun Jun 1, 2008 6:17 am

You have no idea how upset I will be in our front office if our big offseason signing is Alonzo's corpse. We wont even make the playoffs in next years west with that roster

italy_23 · Post #5 » by **italy_23** » Sun Jun 1, 2008 6:42 am

this is getting ugly.
I think we have discussed every reasonable posibility (marion, artest, maggette, miller, even redd, JO...) and just have to wait and see what happens.
the latest trade proposals and free agent ideas ^^^^... I dont know man. It's just ugly and makes no sense whatsoever. better be quiet

Teffer10 · Post #6 » by **Teffer10** » Sun Jun 1, 2008 9:52 pm

italy_23 wrote:this is getting ugly.
I think we have discussed every reasonable posibility (marion, artest, maggette, miller, even redd, JO...) and just have to wait and see what happens.
the latest trade proposals and free agent ideas ^^^^... I dont know man. It's just ugly and makes no sense whatsoever. better be quiet

The way I see it, Dirk is a #2 and Howard is a decent 3 but we need a #1 to get us over the top.

There is not a #1 out there and we don't have the trade pieces if there was.

Time to rebuild.

italy_23 · Post #7 » by **italy_23** » Mon Jun 2, 2008 5:01 am

I dont know whether dirk is a #1 or a #2. in my opinion he is still closer to #1 though. but still the problem is the same, I dont see another star out there. maybe artest could be the one who could turn the ship around because he brings not only the game but also the intangibles. but he alone wouldnt be enough. nowadays you need 3 players who perform on top level.
lakers: kobe, odom, gasol
spurs: duncan, ginobili, parker
boston: garnett, pierce, allen

mavs: nowitzki, ???

arkuo · Post #8 » by **arkuo** » Mon Jun 2, 2008 6:03 am

kidd could also be included in the list...

mavs: dirk, kidd, ???

another star could be attainable through a josh howard package... just dont know which one we should go after....

Teffer10 · Post #9 » by **Teffer10** » Mon Jun 2, 2008 1:33 pm

arkuo wrote:kidd could also be included in the list...

mavs: dirk, kidd, ???

another star could be attainable through a josh howard package... just dont know which one we should go after....

I'm reluctant to include Kidd because of his age. At best he would be a 3 and that is only with the right 1, 2 and supporting cast. We are far from that with this team.

If we could somehow net Marion and Maggette with only giving up Howard, Bass and Stack, we might have a chance next season.

Kidd/Terry
Maggette/Wright
Marion/George
Dirk/???
Damp/???

I don't think the Mavs will be that lucky.

Teffer10 · Post #10 » by **Teffer10** » Mon Jun 2, 2008 1:44 pm

italy_23 wrote:I dont know whether dirk is a #1 or a #2. in my opinion he is still closer to #1 though. but still the problem is the same, I dont see another star out there. maybe artest could be the one who could turn the ship around because he brings not only the game but also the intangibles. but he alone wouldnt be enough. nowadays you need 3 players who perform on top level.
lakers: kobe, odom, gasol
spurs: duncan, ginobili, parker
boston: garnett, pierce, allen

mavs: nowitzki, ???

Yeah...Dirk is a tweener between a 1 and 2. Gasol, Pippen, Pierce and some others are perfect 2s but Dirk is better than them.
However, Kobe, Garnett, and Duncan are legit 1s and Garnett and Kobe have legit 2s.
Dirk could be considered a 1 if we had a hell of a 2. I'd be okay with Howard as a 3 but it would definitely take him in a trade to get the right 2. Kidd could be the 3 if we get the right pieces around him.

Since there is no legit 1 available this off season, the Mavs need to go after a hell of a 2.
I have no idea who that would be. Marion might be an option but I'm not sure I would consider him a "hell of a 2". However, Marion and Maggette would take Kidd's game to a higher level so if we could net those 2 and have a 1, 2, 3, and 4 of Dirk, Marion, Maggette, and Kidd, I would be satisfied going into next season. Anything less, I will be extremely disappointed in our off season again and will have virtually no hope for this team's chances.

A-Town Connection · Post #11 » by **A-Town Connection** » Mon Jun 2, 2008 3:49 pm

Rand10 wrote:A handful of scrubs won't make us contenders.

Very true. Deke had a nice season, but i wouldn't expect a repeat. Zo will only play for Miami or be done. James Jones...really? I don't know if there is alot in free agency that will help this team.

JES12 · Post #12 » by **JES12** » Mon Jun 2, 2008 4:08 pm

Please keep James Jones away from this team! We don't need any more one trick ponies.

your_dallas_mavericks · Post #13 » by **your_dallas_mavericks** » Tue Jun 3, 2008 3:18 am

I think we have a stickied thread for that purpose by the way...

Thanks...
YDM

italy_23 · Post #14 » by **italy_23** » Tue Jun 3, 2008 5:38 am

Teffer10 wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

Yeah...Dirk is a tweener between a 1 and 2. Gasol, Pippen, Pierce and some others are perfect 2s but Dirk is better than them.
However, Kobe, Garnett, and Duncan are legit 1s and Garnett and Kobe have legit 2s.
Dirk could be considered a 1 if we had a hell of a 2. I'd be okay with Howard as a 3 but it would definitely take him in a trade to get the right 2. Kidd could be the 3 if we get the right pieces around him.

Since there is no legit 1 available this off season, the Mavs need to go after a hell of a 2.
I have no idea who that would be. Marion might be an option but I'm not sure I would consider him a "hell of a 2". However, Marion and Maggette would take Kidd's game to a higher level so if we could net those 2 and have a 1, 2, 3, and 4 of Dirk, Marion, Maggette, and Kidd, I would be satisfied going into next season. Anything less, I will be extremely disappointed in our off season again and will have virtually no hope for this team's chances.

I couldnt agree more with you on this (except that I dont consider garnett a legit #1)
going itno the season with a foresome of dirk, marion, maggette and kidd would my hopes get quite high. I would be extremely confident in that squad. unfortunately I doubt that we will see marion AND maggette in a mavs uni next season.

sweet daddy · Post #15 » by **sweet daddy** » Wed Jun 4, 2008 2:29 pm

Sometimes it is really frustrating reading this board.

Dirk is a tweener between a 1 and a 2 option?!

In the 60+ year history of the mother freakin' NBA, 24 players have averaged more points per game than Dirk Nowitzki in the regular season. 24. Would you people let that sink in, please. 24 in 60+ years.

In the 60+ year history of the same mother freakin' NBA, 11 players have averaged more points per game than Dirk Nowitzki in the playoffs. 11 in 60+ years. What recent players were better scorers in the playoffs? Jordan, AI, Tmac, LeBron, Hakeen, Vince. That's it. He's a great scorer.

He's also 22nd in playoff rebounds per game. What modern day players were better rebounders in the playoffs? Barkley, Duncan, Garnett, Big Ben, Shaq. That's it. He is a great playoff rebounder, and a good rebounder in general. End of discussion.

He's been in the league 10 years, and has been all-NBA 8 times. He's been MVP. He's 13th all-time in player efficiency, 13th all-time in turnover percentage (gets the ball a lot and doesn't lose it), 14th in offensive rating, 19th in free throw pct, 30th in defensive rebounds (screw all of you that say he can't rebound, ok?), and on and on and on. He's a shoe-in for the Hall of Fame (him and his old running buddy Stevie will probably go in together).

And you guys can't decide if he's a first option.

Tell you what. If I worked in an NBA front office and I couldn't build a championship team around him, I'd be expecting to get fired any day. Give us a TRUE second option, a TRUE defensive stopper, quality players at all positions in the starting lineup, a decent bench, and he wins multiple championships. Hell, give me the '05-06 team with Steve at the helm instead of JET, we win that one and maybe a couple more.

Even Jordan didn't win a championship until Chicago gave him the pieces he needed to win.

Geez.

Captain_Obvious · Post #16 » by **Captain_Obvious** » Wed Jun 4, 2008 6:33 pm

Dont you dare to disagree with Daddy!!

italy_23 · Post #17 » by **italy_23** » Thu Jun 5, 2008 5:53 am

daddy for the win!! :clap:

thanks for getting the facts straight.

Teffer10 · Post #18 » by **Teffer10** » Thu Jun 5, 2008 6:19 am

sweet daddy wrote:Sometimes it is really frustrating reading this board.

Dirk is a tweener between a 1 and a 2 option?!

In the 60+ year history of the mother freakin' NBA, 24 players have averaged more points per game than Dirk Nowitzki in the regular season. 24. Would you people let that sink in, please. 24 in 60+ years.

In the 60+ year history of the same mother freakin' NBA, 11 players have averaged more points per game than Dirk Nowitzki in the playoffs. 11 in 60+ years. What recent players were better scorers in the playoffs? Jordan, AI, Tmac, LeBron, Hakeen, Vince. That's it. He's a great scorer.

He's also 22nd in playoff rebounds per game. What modern day players were better rebounders in the playoffs? Barkley, Duncan, Garnett, Big Ben, Shaq. That's it. He is a great playoff rebounder, and a good rebounder in general. End of discussion.

He's been in the league 10 years, and has been all-NBA 8 times. He's been MVP. He's 13th all-time in player efficiency, 13th all-time in turnover percentage (gets the ball a lot and doesn't lose it), 14th in offensive rating, 19th in free throw pct, 30th in defensive rebounds (screw all of you that say he can't rebound, ok?), and on and on and on. He's a shoe-in for the Hall of Fame (him and his old running buddy Stevie will probably go in together).

And you guys can't decide if he's a first option.

Tell you what. If I worked in an NBA front office and I couldn't build a championship team around him, I'd be expecting to get fired any day. Give us a TRUE second option, a TRUE defensive stopper, quality players at all positions in the starting lineup, a decent bench, and he wins multiple championships. Hell, give me the '05-06 team with Steve at the helm instead of JET, we win that one and maybe a couple more.

Even Jordan didn't win a championship until Chicago gave him the pieces he needed to win.

Geez.

And 0 championships.

Don't give me any crap about not having players around him.

Oh...I guess Nash was a nobody???

Another one of those homers who overstates the value of a player and only focuses on individual stats.
When he proves that he is a leader I will consider him a #1.
When the coach can rely on him to take the ball in the closing minutes of a game and create for himself or someone else, I'll call him a #1.

After 10 years, I'm still waiting for that to happen.
Sorry to bust your bubble but if it has happened by now, it isn't going to happen.

Dirk needs to be traded because this team is going nowhere with him.
This is the only board that would even consider putting Dirk in the same breath with Jordan.

Give me a freakin break!!!

italy_23 · Post #19 » by **italy_23** » Thu Jun 5, 2008 6:35 am

well teffer, as you know nash in dallas wasnt the nash we saw in phoenix. he was a good point guard here who constantly was eaten alive by the likes of mike freakin bibby. we had grandpa finley as our second option and he was option number 5 in san antone. that should tell everything we need to know about the roster quality in those days.

dirk at least to me proved over and over again that he is a leader. I dont know what a leader should do by some of you guys standards.
dirk isnt the prototype nba player with a big mouth and no skills to back it up. he is quiete, does his thing, stays in the gym longer than anybody else (if thats not leadership, what is?) he does everything to come back from injuries (wakes up every 2 hours to ice his ankles... no leadership?) and he plays his ass off despite being coached by someone who permanently misused him and threw him under the bus constantly.
saying he is no leader is simply wrong.he sure aint no michael jordan, but then who is? kobe is the best player right now but 28 other teams dont have him.
for me dirk is still one of the 5 best players in this league, personality wise he is number 1.

Post #20 » by **studcrackers** » Thu Jun 5, 2008 7:41 am

if dirk isnt a #1 option then who is? there must only be about 4 #1's in the entire league if he's not