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[prefuse73]

With the #10 pick I would really go for Jordan. he would be our swing for the fences pick. I don't understand the hype on Alexander though, he measured out well, but does that really hold water at all. He didn't seem to be much of a shooter. I would prefer Gallinari, he is an "offensive genius" and can swap time with brewer "defensive genius...eventually" at SF

Williams - Jordan
Jefferson - Smith
Brewer - Gallinari
McCants - Buckner
Foye - Williams

no gomes though. I think Smith would like being with his BC pal again.

[revprodeji]

I turn the OP down. Not enough value I think.

[Krapinsky]

With the #10 pick I would really go for Jordan. he would be our swing for the fences pick. I don't understand the hype on Alexander though, he measured out well, but does that really hold water at all. He didn't seem to be much of a shooter. I would prefer Gallinari, he is an "offensive genius" and can swap time with brewer "defensive genius...eventually" at SF

Williams - Jordan
Jefferson - Smith
Brewer - Gallinari
McCants - Buckner
Foye - Williams

no gomes though. I think Smith would like being with his BC pal again.

Does anyone else see the contradiction here? How do you explain your Jordan love in the face of your Alexander criticism?

[karch34]

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Does anyone else see the contradiction here? How do you explain your Jordan love in the face of your Alexander criticism?

Agreed. Jordan is a big unknown who has height and athleticism and no track record. Alexander was a stud.

[eitanr]

I was the orchestrator of the original deal.

I think the analogy a previos poster gave to a baseball lineup is fairly accurate.

You can swing for the fences with the number 2, it does have a better batting average. Or swing for it with the 10th or 13th picks (One of Jordan and Gillenari should be avaialble and are 'swinging for fences picks'). The Williams combo add nice depth to your overall roster. There are also pieces that could be a part of the core in Minny for many years to come.

The idea here is that worst comes to worst and you probably won't airball both the 10th and 13th picks (i.e. draft someone who will be a bust), so you could end up with one quality player there and then Marcus Williams and Sean Williams, both of whom are continuing to improve and fill major holes in the lineup.

[MN Die Hard]

This is interesting value for the #3, but ultimately I think I would pass. #1, the character issues with both Williams boys concerns me. Would I roll the dice on one or both of them in the right deal? Maybe, but not with the #3 pick. #2, this gives us more complimentary players whereas the #3 has the potential of delivering a stud.

Just for kicks, I threw out something similar where MN gets #8 and #14 and B Wright in exchange for #3 and Madsen. How do you think it compares value-wise to the the NJ deal?

http://www.realgm.com/boards/viewtopic.php?t=796345

[Winter Wonder]

Have to say, I probably like the deal with GS and Mil better. It doesn't address our need at center and where we would play B. Wright is a question (he lacks strength) but looking at the potential and char issues, etc.

8 + 14 > 10 + 13
B. Wright >? M. Williams S. Williams

The picks are obviously close in value, but the 8 gives us more options early instead of just waiting to see who falls.

Wright vs. Williams x 2 is also very close and tough to call. Wright has less char issues and was a lottory pick with more potential; but he is primarily a 4 (and a raw one at that) I believe, and we kinda have someone at that spot already. The Williams's play 2 positions of need, back up PG and Center. They also have lower ceilings, concerns with char, and add 2 roster spots; but are more proven than Wright from getting more time last season.

I guess I am torn. It would really depend on who was their at 8 that may not be there at 10 (Lopez/Gallinari?) but I think I like the GS/Mil deal more. Also, the whole of the deal is simpler than the 4 team trade and thus, more plausible.

[shrink]

I think the two deals are a toss up, but they would both get my attention.

[NetsForce]

I was thinking of a trade similar to what the op. posted but as a Nets fan I'm honestly not sure I'd be willing to give up Sean Williams.

He had a bad second half to the year but I was very impressed with what he did this year, his character issues have also seemed to vanish / never surfaced during the season*:

http://www.thetowntalk.com/apps/pbcs.dl ... 006/SPORTS

*It should be noted Williams is a bit of a goofball though, I don't really think you can hold that against him but I know some people will.

Anyway from a Nets fan's perspective I think the ideal realistic trade would be something like this:

Minnesota:
- #3 pick (OJ Mayo)
- Marko Jaric

New Jersey:
- #10 pick (Kevin Love)
- #40 pick
- Marcus Williams
- Stromile Swift (Expiring)


*This is assuming Kevin Love who the Timberwolves seem to want is still on the board.

In an absolute worst case scenario / a scenario that I'm sure you T'Wolves fans would prefer I think there is a chance the Nets could be convinced to send out Josh Boone (and keep the #40) or (and this scenario I'm more open to) sending out the #21, keeping the #40, and getting the Boston pick owed to Minnesota next year.

In summary, the first trade is the one I'd prefer, this second trade is the one I wouldn't cry over if it went down:

Minnesota:
- #3 pick (OJ Mayo)
- Future 1st Round Pick (The one that Boston owes Minnesota)
- 2nd Round Pick or Cash considerations (to help offset Jaric's contract)
- Marko Jaric

New Jersey:
- #10 pick (Kevin Love)
- #21 pick
- Marcus Williams
- Stromile Swift (Expiring)

*Although I keep dragging on and on, if Boone or Sean Williams were sent out I'd rather the Nets get Buckner + Madsen instead of Jaric, as the Nets will need another big (Madsen) since they'd be left with just Williams (or Boone) and Nenad Krstic (I doubt Diop is going to be resigned, he seems to have his mind set on returning to Dallas).

[revprodeji]

MN turns down both

[Winter Wonder]

Unfortunately NetsForce, if it came down to those options, the Wolves would just elect to keep the pick. It would probably have to be a "knock your socks off" type of deal, or at least slightly in favor of MN in order to trade down 7 spots without multiple (two) picks in the 6-18 range + incentive.

We can understand not wanting to give up on young players here, but without some of those players, it just doesn't bring enough reason for the Wolves to make this type of move.

[Devilzsidewalk]

doubt Kevin Love is around at #10, people just always do that to make their trades look better

check it out

MN trades:
#3(Mayo)

Portland trades:
rights to Rudy Fernandez
#13 (Kevin Love)
#33 (Hibbert)
#36 (Ty Lawson)
#55 (Bill Walker)

look, we get all these awesome players just for Mayo!!!

[NetsForce]

Unfortunately NetsForce, if it came down to those options, the Wolves would just elect to keep the pick. It would probably have to be a "knock your socks off" type of deal, or at least slightly in favor of MN in order to trade down 7 spots without multiple (two) picks in the 6-18 range + incentive.

We can understand not wanting to give up on young players here, but without some of those players, it just doesn't bring enough reason for the Wolves to make this type of move.

I see what you're saying, I was kind of operating on the assumption that the Timberwolves really want Love instead of Mayo...

The way I was seeing it was that Wolves management really wants Love but doesn't want to take him #3 overall (for a multitude of reasons), so rather than take him that high they decide to milk the #3 pick by getting Love (who they wanted anyway) + additional assets.

The Timberwolves wouldn't be "settling" for Love over Mayo, they'd be getting the guy they wanted and then some.

With all that being said if I were a Wolves fan I would rather have Mayo than Love, (you can correct me if I'm wrong) I'm just not totally convinced that Wolves management sees things that way.

Also @ Devilzsidewalk:

There is a very real possibility that Love is available with the 10th pick, you're right that he's not a lock to be there but the possibility still looms.

[Devilzsidewalk]

I'd say the possibility is about 15%. Even if it were 80%, I wouldn't risk it and end up being forced to draft from a pool of guys I'm not as interested in.

[shrink]

I see what you're saying, I was kind of operating on the assumption that the Timberwolves really want Love instead of Mayo....

That's understandable, because it was the only news article that reached Wiretap, bit the truth is, we don't know. The day before the rumor was that he liked Gallinari. We've heard Mayo. We've heard Jordan. We've heard Lopez.

The truth is, the Wolves organization is really close-mouthed, and the MIN media isn't as good as, say, NYC media at undercovering the truth. I wouldn't put any extra emphasis on Love, especially over Mayo.

[lurkingobeiscity]

The original trade is god awful for the Nets. Also, If the Nets are trading up I would hope its for Kevin Love who will never last to 10.

[Krapinsky]

I've read Seattle likes Love, and Memphis likes Love, so if we want Love I think we may have to take him at 3.