Memphis owner now questions value of Gasol deal

[nightstarstolen]

For KG Celtics gave up a 22/12 big man, that is better on offense than KG, but not on defense. He is also only 23

For Ray, Celtics gave up the 5th pic, Al Hortford? Thornton? Delonte West.

Celtics actually got punked on both trades, because now they have a 3-5 year window, instead of an up and coming team.

[Mindflayer]

Why does this stuff only seem to go on in the NBA? This is the reason it gets put in the same category as pro wrestling. Sure, bad trades happen in all sports but at the time of the trade people can at least justify it from both sides. With this trade everyone immediately agreed it was a joke. Fist Memphis gets nothing of any real value for an all-star type player and now we find out they didn't take the best offer or even TRY to contact other teams to see if they could do better. None of it makes any sense and that's where the conspiracy theory comes from. I mean what GM trades their best asset without trying to contact every team in the league and get the best deal possible. He had two more weeks so it's not like they were short on time. And like someone else pointed out.

Why do these ridiculous trades always seem to help out the big market teams like LA.? Gasol, Wilt, Kareem and Shaq to the Lakers. KG and Russell to Boston. Why is it you never see the superstar being traded to Milwaukee, Minnesota, Memphis

[Prophet_C]

For KG Celtics gave up a 22/12 big man, that is better on offense than KG, but not on defense. He is also only 23

For Ray, Celtics gave up the 5th pic, Al Hortford? Thornton? Delonte West.

Celtics actually got punked on both trades, because now they have a 3-5 year window, instead of an up and coming team.

Horford wasn't dropping to 5th and Thornton was moving up/ The pick would have been Yi.. We are 3 wins from a title. I'll take that over "an up and coming team" anyday.

[jefe]

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I don't hear anyone complaining about the KG deal. Minny got a franchise big in Al Jefferson out of that deal, who will be a 20-10 guy for the next decade. That is not anything close to the same thing as the Lakers deal.

Al Jefferson, Devin Harris, Shawn Marion, Javaris Crittenton...all these guys were moved for a superstar this year, who doesn't belong with the rest of the names?

And that's because Gasol is not anything close to Garnett (or Jason Kidd or Shaq). Do you really believe Gasol is a "superstar"?

[InsideOut]

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Randy Moss was traded to New England for a 4th round pick. That is far worse than the Gasol trade. Moss in football impact >>>> Gasol in basketball. Moss will go down as the best or second best wide reciever of all time in football.

Moss wasn't doing anything much in Oakland or looking anything close to the 2nd best WR in football. Plus he was being a cancer in their locker-room and complaining about everything. He was also shopped to every team in the NFL and nobody thought he was worth much. Gasol was putting up great numbers and wasn't shopped to all the other teams. There is a huge difference between these two trades.

[Cammo101]

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And that's because Gasol is not anything close to Garnett (or Jason Kidd or Shaq). Do you really believe Gasol is a "superstar"?

Gasol is a heck of a lot closer to KG than Crittenton is to Jefferson. Gasol is a better player right now than either Kidd or Shaq, and they got significantly less for him. I think Gasol is a star player, it depends on your definition of superstar is I suppose, I know that 7 footers with his skills are extremely rare in the NBA.

[Dry_Fish]

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And that's because Gasol is not anything close to Garnett (or Jason Kidd or Shaq).

Gasol - 27

Garnett - 32

Kidd - 35

Shaq - 36

[jefe]

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Gasol is a heck of a lot closer to KG than Crittenton is to Jefferson. Gasol is a better player right now than either Kidd or Shaq, and they got significantly less for him. I think Gasol is a star player, it depends on your definition of superstar is I suppose, I know that 7 footers with his skills are extremely rare in the NBA.

If the Grizz had prioritized the young player in return instead of the expiring, then you'd have a point. But priority #1 was the largest expiring that could be had - and short of Jamison in WAS, there weren't many larger expirings out there (much less - expirings that belonged to teams willing to deal them). You can fault the logic all you want (I certainly do, as a Grizz fan) - but saying the Grizz didn't get a young player tantamount to those that Garnett, Shaq, and Kidd fetched isn't telling the whole story - because the Grizz' priority was not getting that young player, it was getting the expiring.

[Cammo101]

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If the Grizz had prioritized the young player in return instead of the expiring, then you'd have a point. But priority #1 was the largest expiring that could be had - and short of Jamison in WAS, there weren't many larger expirings out there (much less - expirings that belonged to teams willing to deal them). You can fault the logic all you want (I certainly do, as a Grizz fan) - but saying the Grizz didn't get a young player tantamount to those that Garnett, Shaq, and Kidd fetched isn't telling the whole story - because the Grizz' priority was not getting that young player, it was getting the expiring.

Cap space clearly was not priority #1, otherwise they would have forced LA to take on Brian Cardinal's awful contract. It seems like they halfassed both adding young talent and clearing cap space. Obviously, priority #1 was helping Jerry West stockpile talent at his new job.

[Serpo]

You know what my theory about West and Memphis / the Lakers is ?

Jerry West was according to reports not very pleased the way the Grizzlies owner run things in Memphis when he was GM there . When he resigned his GM duties he recommend Heisley ( the owner) the biggest idiot he could think of ( Chris Wallace ) as his succesor and then gave the Lakers some hints about it .

[HarlemHeat37]

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Moss wasn't doing anything much in Oakland or looking anything close to the 2nd best WR in football. Plus he was being a cancer in their locker-room and complaining about everything. He was also shopped to every team in the NFL and nobody thought he was worth much. Gasol was putting up great numbers and wasn't shopped to all the other teams. There is a huge difference between these two trades.

yup..unhappy, cancerous WR that was looking mediocre at the time for a #4 pick..in a sport where a #4 draft pick can be useful and can result in a guy starting in his 1st year(assuming it isn't a QB)..NFL draft picks are extremely valued..

also, a franchise player in the NBA is a lot different than a franchise player in the NFL..

Randy Moss isn't even close to being the 2nd best WR of all-time..and LOL @ thinking he's close to Jerry Rice..

[sonny]

because the Grizz' priority was not getting that young player, it was getting the expiring.

Depends on when you ask Wallace/Heisley.

I've read several accounts where they complain that the Bulls weren't giving up any of their core. I assume he means Deng/Gordon/Hinrich, who are either getting big contracts this summer or already have one.

[raleigh]

um, u realize the lakers gave more than just expirings right? where are the two future firsts? where is the young prospect like critt? where is one of the top euro prospects in gasol?

Two LATE first rounders (and the 2010 pick will be late) have very little value. It could be argued that early 2nd rounders actually have more value because the contract isn't guaranteed.

As far as the European prospect, the Hawks have the rights to an attractive European player in David Andersen.

The only substantive difference is between a very unproven player in Critt and a mediocre big man in Shelden Williams. (The Hawks could have included Zaza Pachulia or Solomon Jones, too).

I think most GM's would've found the Hawks' chips worth waiting a couple more weeks on, particularly since they're in a different conference. And that's not even mentioning the Bulls...

[NO-KG-AI]

Who is david anderson? And Shelden Williams instead of Crittenton? no.

[Dry_Fish]

Who is david anderson? And Shelden Williams instead of Crittenton? no.

yes - Memphis is stack with young guards

[NO-KG-AI]

So what, they aren't going anywhere, that's like having the first pick, and drafting for need. in similar deals, you take the package with clearly more talent, and Marc Gasol/Critt>>>>>>David Anderson and Shelden Williams.

[Dry_Fish]

I think the analogy doesn't apply here. Gasol/Critt aren't can't miss talent.

[jefe]

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Cap space clearly was not priority #1, otherwise they would have forced LA to take on Brian Cardinal's awful contract. It seems like they halfassed both adding young talent and clearing cap space. Obviously, priority #1 was helping Jerry West stockpile talent at his new job.

Adding Cardinal would have required more salary - and likely contracts that run longer than Cardinal's deal - coming back, to work under the CBA. Sure, it's a logical, and quite easy, thing to say "well, they should have dumped Cardinal too" - but it's much easier said than done. It would have required a third team willing to part with an expiring - or the Grizz taking on more long term salary.

[jefe]

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Depends on when you ask Wallace/Heisley.

I've read several accounts where they complain that the Bulls weren't giving up any of their core. I assume he means Deng/Gordon/Hinrich, who are either getting big contracts this summer or already have one.

From what I've read, the Bulls were stubbornly refusing to build a package around anyone but Nocioni, whom they had just signed to an inflated contract.

Also, correct me if I'm wrong, but the Bulls had no expirings of consequence other than their core, no?

[NO-KG-AI]

I think the analogy doesn't apply here. Gasol/Critt aren't can't miss talent.

It really does, when you are a low end team, you want to stockpile the best available talent, and take your picks from it. Even if you want to go on need, Gasol is projecting to be a better player than the massive bust Shelden Williams, and whoever the hell David Anderson is.