McCants + Jaric for expirings?

[mayorhoiberg]

First, 4 rings mcgoo can start or bench whoever he wants. If he wanted to start Horry over Duncan i would respect that.

Second, manu's been starting in SA for the last 6 playoff games.

[Krapinsky]

I wouldn't do it. I still like the three guard rotation of Foye/Mayo/McCants. I also still think both could increase their value just by the wolves winning some games. What Jaric does on a bad team doesn't look so special, but on a mediocre team he'll look like a solid complimentary piece to a playoff team looking for a glue guy.

I would be more in favor of this at the dealine. By then we could see how McCants would coexist in the new back court, and we could see if Jaric could increase his trade value. I see little risk in waiting, neither could lower their trade value from whee it is barring an injury of some kind.

[C.lupus]

Tell that to Manu.

Or to Kevin McHale, who was 6th man at Boston for most of his career. 2 important points here:

1. It's not who starts the game but who finishes the game that is important.

2. Until McCants proves he can consistently stay in a game by staying out of foul trouble and not making stupid mistakes, it doesn't matter if he starts or not.

[theGreatRC]

McCants finished the 4th quarter in so many games this season, I don't think anyone is giving up on McCants, and his name is always brought up with Al and Foye's whenever the media asks management about young guys.

[the_bruce]

It would be dumb to ditch these 2 guys for nada.

McCants may be a bonehead BUT he can score. Next year is his final "tryout" for me, and he will either sink or swim.

Jaric may have poor value in the league but put him on a different team that runs uptempo as a 4th option and he'd look pretty good imo. He Can play 3 positions better than most backups. He can step in and start at those 3 positions if the main starter goes down. If he made 2m less a year teams would be all about Jaric. He's not great but "kinda useful".

Sure I'd give Jaric up for an expiring for the wolves, and on the flip side if I was a good team that wasnt very deep and I had someone useless....like I dunno Snow? I would swap them in an instant.

[shrink]

Thanks for voting guys. I think I've been right in my initial valuation.

There were a lot of great comments here and I learned a lot. I've always been one of the guys that would prefer to give McCants his one big chance and see if he can earn the (late) lottery pick we invested in him. Its true that scoring is just one aspect of the game, but it is an important one. As I've said elsewhere, I'd like to see McCants play a ton of minutes out of the gate, score 20+ PPG (which I think he is capable of), and once he breaches that cognitive wall with other GM's, I think his trade value would rise a lot. Right now, it seems to me we'd be trading him low, and I still believe he has a lot of potential.

As for Jaric, his flexibility and usefulness make his over-priced contract a lot less painful. I once heard someone say, "Well, if you wouldn't want to pay Jaric $7 mil to be a back-up, why do you want to pay three back-ups $3 mil each, and take up three roster spots? I don't think that Jaric would only be valuable on a bad team -- I think he would be useful on any team with the right mixture of players. I think a team with a small, scoring PG that's fast enough to defend superfast PG's that can bring the ball up the court would be a boon, as well as a team with a bench. Jaric's handles are good for his size, and I think a running team would benefit. NO, PHO, GSW are three decent teams that would benefit to some degree. And Jaric's flexibility provides security. Where would our team have been last season at PG when Foye and Telfair both lost time with injuries without Jaric?

Jaric's still overpaid, but he's off the list of the 25 worst contracts in the NBA, and justifiably so. I'd be happy to swap him for a non-productive expiring, like bruceallen's Snow suggestion, particularly since it'd add to the $23 mil we have coming off the books next summer. However, I'd be reluctant to use McCants to do it myself.

[shrink]

I haven't gotten any feedback from HOU yet, but what do you think of this?

MIN GETS: #25 + Bobby Jackson ($6.9 mil exp) + Loren Woods ($1 mil exp)

HOU GETS: McCants + Jaric

MIN buys out one or both MIN-connected guys. HOU adds two guys that can be productive in a win-now team.

[funkatron101]

Jeez, I thought Loren Woods was only a 10 day deal.

I like Bobby, but he's getting old.

[shrink]

Jeez, I thought Loren Woods was only a 10 day deal.

I like Bobby, but he's getting old.

You could be right on Loren Woods -- I've got different numbers on both these guys on my two salary websites, and I'm waiting for comments from HOU.

I don't particularly care if Bobby can play -- I'd like toremove Jaric and add to our armory of expirings for Summer of 2009. I just don't know if McCants is paying too much, even with the late 1st.

BTW, I'm beginning to suspect that the "mystery team" that McHale has a deal in place with to trade the two seconds for a first is Houston. The HOU guy has Celtics connections, and he's coming up to watch our workouts of the top picks, and then McHale is going to HOU to watch thme workout the late first/early seconds. The 25 doesn't seem like much of an upgrade (though I'll hold judgement to see who's available there on draft night) for both picks. Hopefully, this trade would let us stash both picks in Europe, and develop there.

I'm kind of iffy on whether I'd do this swap myself, but I was curious if other MIN posters could talk me into it.

[C.lupus]

How about Luther Head instead of Woods? Does that work salary-wise?

McCants + Jaric for Jackson + Head + #25

[Krapinsky]

I'd trade up to the 25th pick, but not the 26th. Here's why.

The 25th pick guarantees us one of my top 25 players. Here's 15-26 in my current mock (to 26 b/c Lawson who I have going 20th is not in my top 25) -

15. Rush, Brandon
16. Speights, Mareese
17. Douglas-Roberts, Chris
18. Jordan, Deandre
19. Budinger, Chase
20. Lawson, Ty
21. McGee, Javale
22. Walker, Bill
23. Hibbert, Roy
24. Koufos, Kosta
25. Batum, Nico
26. Lopez, Robin

Ignore the order for a second. If we traded #31 and #34 for any of those players, I would be happy. After those players I think the draft gets a little shaky.

[Winter Wonder]

I am a bit torn, which probably means it is a fair deal.

Expirings for Jaric is nice.
McCants for the #25 is not (and I am in the trade McCants camp).
I realize that this isn't the exact break down, but (stealing an argument) it is hard to trade a useful player with a bad contract (Jaric) and a young prospect who may just be starting to put it together and need more minutes (McCants) for expirings and a late pick.

Essentially it is getting expirings for ridding us of Jaric's contract with McCants as the cost and the #25 to try and balance it.

If the pick were in the teens I think it is a lot more attractive. As it is, I would probably have to vote no, but can understand if it were done and not be overly upset.

I would rather do this than trade both our 2nd rounders for the #25 straight up. I think there will be some very nice value in the second round and would only be ok offering 1 of them in most trades.

[Krapinsky]

Re: McCants + Jaric trade

That's fair value IMO. It just depends whether one is okay with trading McCants or not. If you can't trade Mccants in this deal, then you can't trade McCants at all, because it won't get any better than this.

A collateral issue: If we bring in Bobby J, even just for next year, would Telfair be gone?

[Winter Wonder]

A collateral issue: If we bring in Bobby J, even just for next year, would Telfair be gone?

Depends who was bought out and who was drafted, but odds are that he would be gone I believe.