MIa-Ind??? Thoughts

[CaliHeat]

Im sorry for starting a new thread, you can move it if you may.

What do Pacer fans think of this trade:

Trade ID #4639184 (works finacially)

Mia Gets:
Jermaine O'Neal
Mike Dunleavy
Ike Diogu (expiring)
#11

Ind Gets:
Shawn Marion (expiring)
Udonis Haslem
Mark Blount


Why for Pacers:
You trade Jermaine O'Neal for someone comparable in talent in Shawn Marion who is an expiring contract. I also think Shawn Marion, although he is undersized, would fit well in Indiana in their uptempo type offense. (Isnt Marion from the Indiana area too or am I just trippin??)

Blounts has 1 less year than Dunleavy's on his contract as well. Will allow Ind to resign Granger and either re sign Marion or go after another FA (Elton Brand or Carlos Boozer)

I dont know how much need you have in Udonis Haslem.
Some Memphis fans liked the idea of a

Udonis Haslem
for
Jason Collins (expiring)
Kyle Lowry



What do Pacer fans think of this trade as well:

Mia Gets:
Jermaine ' O'Neal
Mike Dunleavy
Ike Diogu (expiring)
#11

Ind Gets:
Shawn Marion (expiring)
Mark Blount
Jason Collins (expiring)
Kyle Lowry (maybe 28th pick instead)

Mem Gets:
Udonis Haslem

[cdash]

Personally, I'll pass. That trade sucks for us. Let me just get this out there: It is my personal feeling (and very strong common sense), that we will not package the 11th pick with Jermaine O'Neal. So just because some cockamamie article on a half-reputable website said we might try to package our pick with with JO...doesnt mean its going to happen.

[count55]

Starting the new thread's fine, but I don't like the trade. Maybe if you took Dunleavy out and replaced him with Murphy...maybe, but I don't see a lot of point to it.

Yeah, I know, any trade we do with JO is probably gonna suck, but I'd just as soon not lose Junior and #11 at the same time.

[CaliHeat]

Well I tried, I was just thinking from a Heat's perspective while watching the NBA Finals. that trading for Jermaine O'Neal, Mike Dunleavy and the 11th pick could put us back in the finals.

This is not that bad of a package though.

[cdash]

Its fantastic for the Heat, but it really doesnt get the Pacers any closer to rebuilding or competing, so, to me, its just making a move for the sake of making a move...and we just so happen to lose most of our current assets in the process.

[PR07]

Don't like it. We essentially trade 3 players of value: JO, Dunleavy, and the #11 for Shawn Marion. Haslem is solid, but I don't really know what purpose he would serve on this rebuilding team. JO and Dunleavy's contracts stink, but they still are productive players and are likely worth more to the Pacers than they will ever fetch in a trade. Don't like the idea of trading #11.

[basketballwacko2]

Well I tried, I was just thinking from a Heat's perspective while watching the NBA Finals. that trading for Jermaine O'Neal, Mike Dunleavy and the 11th pick could put us back in the finals. This is not that bad of a package though.

Yeah but the Pacers are not a farm team.

I actually don't mind the trade too much if I can counter offer a little.

JO, Murphy, Tinsley and Diogu for Marion, Haslem, Blount and Banks.
We give you the #11 and you give us your #2 and 2009 #1. It's a huge risk for Miami to take taking on JO and taking the contracts of Murph and Tins. I highly doubt they'd do it.

[xxSnEaKyPxx]

This is awful for the Heat. The least the Pacers can do to even it out is trade Granger and a future first or 2 for Banks...then maybe the Heat would accept.

[Miller4ever]

I found this trade in the dictionary under the entry phrase: "lose-lose situation".

[FreeRon]

Yeah it's horrible for us. JO only has 2 years left on his contract, so he'll be a $23 mil expiring contract next year and we can get more for him based solely on that. Marion would never stay in Indy once he expired, and Haslem is good but not Dunleavy + 11 good. NOBODY wants Mark Blount, not even his family.

[bballpacen]

Well I tried, I was just thinking from a Heat's perspective while watching the NBA Finals. that trading for Jermaine O'Neal, Mike Dunleavy and the 11th pick could put us back in the finals.

This is not that bad of a package though.

Well with this logic in mind, I have come up with the following deal, with the thoughts that it would get the Pacers to the NBA finals.....


Indiana Trade Breakdown
Change in Team Outlook: +25.3 ppg, -3.0 rpg, and +10.3 apg.
Incoming Players
Chris Paul
6-1 PG from Wake Forest
20.9 ppg, 4.0 rpg, 11.6 apg in 37.5 minutes
LeBron James
6-8 SG / SF from St. Vincent-St. Mary (HS)
30.0 ppg, 7.9 rpg, 7.2 apg in 40.4 minutes
Dwyane Wade
6-4 SG from Marquette
24.6 ppg, 4.2 rpg, 6.9 apg in 38.3 minutes
Marcus Banks
6-2 PG from UNLV
5.2 ppg, 0.8 rpg, 1.0 apg in 12.9 minutes
Outgoing Players
Troy Murphy
6-11 PF from Notre Dame
12.2 ppg, 7.2 rpg, 2.2 apg in 28.1 minutes
Mike Dunleavy
6-8 SF / PF from Duke
19.1 ppg, 5.2 rpg, 3.5 apg in 36.0 minutes
Marquis Daniels
6-5 SG from Auburn
8.2 ppg, 2.9 rpg, 1.9 apg in 20.9 minutes
Jamaal Tinsley
6-1 PG from Iowa State
11.9 ppg, 3.6 rpg, 8.4 apg in 33.2 minutes
Stephen Graham
6-6 SG from Oklahoma State
4.0 ppg, 1.0 rpg, 0.4 apg in 5.8 minutes

New Orleans Trade Breakdown
Change in Team Outlook: -7.6 ppg, 0.0 rpg, and -9.9 apg.
Incoming Players
Stephen Graham
6-6 SG from Oklahoma State
4.0 ppg, 1.0 rpg, 0.4 apg in 5.8 minutes
Billy Thomas
6-4 SG from Kansas
0.5 ppg, 0.0 rpg, 0.0 apg in 2.1 minutes
Daequan Cook
6-5 SG from Ohio State
8.8 ppg, 3.0 rpg, 1.3 apg in 24.4 minutes
Outgoing Players
Chris Paul
6-1 PG from Wake Forest
20.9 ppg, 4.0 rpg, 11.6 apg in 37.5 minutes

Cleveland Trade Breakdown
Change in Team Outlook: -6.4 ppg, +2.9 rpg, and +3.4 apg.
Incoming Players
Troy Murphy
6-11 PF from Notre Dame
12.2 ppg, 7.2 rpg, 2.2 apg in 28.1 minutes
Jamaal Tinsley
6-1 PG from Iowa State
11.9 ppg, 3.6 rpg, 8.4 apg in 33.2 minutes
Outgoing Players
LeBron James
6-8 SG / SF from St. Vincent-St. Mary (HS)
30.0 ppg, 7.9 rpg, 7.2 apg in 40.4 minutes
Billy Thomas
6-4 SG from Kansas
0.5 ppg, 0.0 rpg, 0.0 apg in 2.1 minutes

Miami Trade Breakdown
Change in Team Outlook: -11.3 ppg, +0.1 rpg, and -3.8 apg.
Incoming Players
Mike Dunleavy
6-8 SF / PF from Duke
19.1 ppg, 5.2 rpg, 3.5 apg in 36.0 minutes
Marquis Daniels
6-5 SG from Auburn
8.2 ppg, 2.9 rpg, 1.9 apg in 20.9 minutes
Outgoing Players
Dwyane Wade
6-4 SG from Marquette
24.6 ppg, 4.2 rpg, 6.9 apg in 38.3 minutes
Marcus Banks
6-2 PG from UNLV
5.2 ppg, 0.8 rpg, 1.0 apg in 12.9 minutes
Daequan Cook
6-5 SG from Ohio State
8.8 ppg, 3.0 rpg, 1.3 apg in 24.4 minutes

[mizzoupacers]

CaliHeat's trade proposal is awfully lopsided in favor of Miami. But Tinsley straight-up for Blount...would Miami and Indiana do that?

It's too bad that Miami does not own the 31st pick (they traded it to Minnesota). I'd be willing to throw in Diogu with Tinsley and offer them for Blount + #31. But, it's a moot point.

[count55]

CaliHeat's trade proposal is awfully lopsided in favor of Miami. But Tinsley straight-up for Blount...would Miami and Indiana do that?

It's too bad that Miami does not own the 31st pick (they traded it to Minnesota). I'd be willing to throw in Diogu with Tinsley and offer them for Blount + #31. But, it's a moot point.

[xxSnEaKyPxx]

CaliHeat's trade proposal is awfully lopsided in favor of Miami. But Tinsley straight-up for Blount...would Miami and Indiana do that?

It's too bad that Miami does not own the 31st pick (they traded it to Minnesota). I'd be willing to throw in Diogu with Tinsley and offer them for Blount + #31. But, it's a moot point.

I like it and the best part is, it kinda makes sense for Miami as Tinsley is an upgrade over Williams and Quinn. He would be perfect next to a Wade type player.

For us Blount can be a good C, also allowing us to move Foster for a late 1st round pick.

[mizzoupacers]

it kinda makes sense for Miami

Unless Miami ends up getting Derrick Rose in the draft.

Miami also has the #52 pick...what would you guys think about Tinsley + Diogu for Blount + #52?

I think I'd do it, even though a pick that low is right next door to useless. Adding Diogu allows us to trade Tinsley for Blount and drop salary next season, rather than adding it.

I think Diogu has no future in Indiana...last year he was 24, in his third year in the league, and still couldn't get off the pine even with our starting power forward missing half the season due to injury. If another team wants to bet on his alleged upside, fine with me. I could see Miami deciding he's worth a gamble if all it costs them is a low second-round pick. Diogu is only guaranteed one more year of salary, at about $2.9 million, so if he doesn't pan out, no big deal.

Of course I like this for Indiana because it gets Tinsley out of town, and the Pacers even save a little money. At this point that's about the most I hope for in a Tinsley trade.

[xxSnEaKyPxx]

[quote="mizzoupacers"][/quote]

I'm about 90% sure that the Bulls will take Rose for themselves.

[FreeRon]

The Bulls said before the lottery that they really wanted Rose. After they got the first pick they've started throwing out this undecided crap. They'd be stupid not to look at their choices right now, but I'm thinking the only reason they're not coming out and saying they'll take Rose is that they don't want the Heat to have that much time to decide whether to keep or trade their pick.

[Hoops23]

Mia Gets:
Jermaine O'Neal
Mike Dunleavy
Ike Diogu (expiring)
#11

Ind Gets:
Shawn Marion (expiring)
Udonis Haslem
Mark Blount

Lets be realistic, Riley said he wants cap space in 2010. Coming from the horses mouth, then your trade is not happening.

Dunleavy is over paid. Lucky are the GSW fro trading him and Murphy that help their season last year turn arround, and opposite to what happen with Indy.

Heat will not take Dunleavy's aweful contract even you and I like it, because in reality, Riley will not, base from what he said about his desire in 2010.

[DannyGranger]

Personally, I'll pass. That trade sucks for us. Let me just get this out there: It is my personal feeling (and very strong common sense), that we will not package the 11th pick with Jermaine O'Neal. So just because some cockamamie article on a half-reputable website said we might try to package our pick with with JO...doesnt mean its going to happen.

I agree. Theres no reason for this trade. Marion has $16 million coming off the books and JO has $21 million. I'd rather keep JO. And the pick, we need that for sure. The way I see it, the next 2 years for us are very crucial. This year we should pick up a solid PG (like Westbrook hopefully) and considering how we do next season (which I dont think will be any better than this season), pick up a PF/C, someone who can play post. And then JO's monster contract will come off the books, then we can hit the free agency market and pick up a big named player(s).

[count55]

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Lets be realistic, Riley said he wants cap space in 2010. Coming from the horses mouth, then your trade is not happening.

Dunleavy is over paid. Lucky are the GSW fro trading him and Murphy that help their season last year turn arround, and opposite to what happen with Indy.

Heat will not take Dunleavy's aweful contract even you and I like it, because in reality, Riley will not, base from what he said about his desire in 2010.

I think that Dunleavy is earning his money as well as, if not better than, anyone else included in that trade, with the following numbers:

19.1 PPG
5.2 RPG
3.5 APG
48% shooting
42% 3's
83% FT's

Seems to be reasonable production for what would be $10.6 mil in 2011, at least in today's market.

Not to say this trade would happen, but it's Miami might not be the team that says no to it.