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Post#21 » by leper-con » Fri Jun 6, 2008 6:52 pm

I don't think you will see a whole lot of changes. The Lakers did everything a team needs to do to win on the road. They kept it close and gave themselves a chance to win at the end.

I thought the key was PJ Brown. He is more mobile than Perkins and was ble to better stay with the LAkers perimeter bigs.
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Post#22 » by Dexmor » Fri Jun 6, 2008 6:56 pm

1.Gasol needs to play like an allstar.
2.Odom needs to play like a playoff hero
3.Phil needs to play Sasha and Farmar more
4.Kobe needs to be superman all series.
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Post#23 » by Slava » Fri Jun 6, 2008 7:00 pm

snaquille oatmeal wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

I am starting to get tired of people judging Kobes stats without context.

sure he shot 26 fieldgoals and only made 9, but what needs to be understood is that the majority of those missed shots were good look shots, he just missed them.

there were very few where he could have kicked it to the open man.

if he would have hit 50% of his missed shots when he had a good look at the basket then noboby would be saying s**t. he just had a bad shooting night, heck the whole team had a bad shooting night.


+1 on that. There were like atleast 5 shots that went in & out. It evem came to the point that he passed up an open 3 to lure KG in and set Gasol up. He was not playing selfish at all. He just wasn't hitting his shots. Remember Game 1 against Denver? He was a completely different player in game 2.
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Post#24 » by Kreuk » Fri Jun 6, 2008 7:19 pm

kobe cant go ray allen on us or we will lose in 5...

but seriously.. we were dominating them until pierce's phantom injury...

and a 5 point 4th quarter? god help us all if that happens again. this game was easily winnable...
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Post#25 » by shobe_81 » Fri Jun 6, 2008 7:22 pm

I don't know how Kobe can become Superman in this series because of the defensive look he gets, here is the problem:

Kobe is good enough to take his man off the dribble, but when he gets inside, the Paint is covered with Green jerseys and then there is no movement by the players Especially Gasol and Odom, so Kobe takes a bad shot.

I remember one play near the mid fourth quarter, Kobe drove from right elbow to the basket and drew the double from KG but instead of Gasol cutting to the basket, Gasol just stood at the right baseline and took a mid-range 15 foot jumper when he could've cut and gotten a easy pass dunk.

I just don't see Lakers breaking the D, only Kobe can create an opportunity and besides Kobe no one on the Lakers broke down the defense. Odom has maybe 3 plays where he took it to the whole. Gasol was too shy against KG (I thought I was watching Semi-Pro) where he's like no I dont like the position and passes the ball back and then receives it and then passes it back again.

Phil has to figure out a way to exploit the pick=n=roll, in 2nd half Kobe would get 2 men on him after a pick having PJ Brown come on and guard him until Ray Allen recovers, they HAVE to exploit that.

There was no cutting going on, no movement by the players which made Kobe just go iso which is what Boston wants. Overall a very disappointing loss because of the horrible game lakers played.

Gasol has to step up, he has to put a body on KG, KG got like 5 tips for offensive rebounds, and that stupid dunk where Gasol just stood hoping for the ball to come right to him and KG went up a threw it down.

Valad need not foul Pierce.

And I would consider Putting Odom on KG for rebounding purposes because Odoms man just kept pushing him under the basket for offensive boards. LAKERS HAVE HAVE HAVE HAVE TO Box Out!!!!!!
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Post#26 » by DEEP3CL » Fri Jun 6, 2008 9:29 pm

shobe_81 wrote:I don't know how Kobe can become Superman in this series because of the defensive look he gets, here is the problem:

Kobe is good enough to take his man off the dribble, but when he gets inside, the Paint is covered with Green jerseys and then there is no movement by the players Especially Gasol and Odom, so Kobe takes a bad shot.

I remember one play near the mid fourth quarter, Kobe drove from right elbow to the basket and drew the double from KG but instead of Gasol cutting to the basket, Gasol just stood at the right baseline and took a mid-range 15 foot jumper when he could've cut and gotten a easy pass dunk.

I just don't see Lakers breaking the D, only Kobe can create an opportunity and besides Kobe no one on the Lakers broke down the defense. Odom has maybe 3 plays where he took it to the whole. Gasol was too shy against KG (I thought I was watching Semi-Pro) where he's like no I dont like the position and passes the ball back and then receives it and then passes it back again.

Phil has to figure out a way to exploit the pick=n=roll, in 2nd half Kobe would get 2 men on him after a pick having PJ Brown come on and guard him until Ray Allen recovers, they HAVE to exploit that.

There was no cutting going on, no movement by the players which made Kobe just go iso which is what Boston wants. Overall a very disappointing loss because of the horrible game lakers played.

Gasol has to step up, he has to put a body on KG, KG got like 5 tips for offensive rebounds, and that stupid dunk where Gasol just stood hoping for the ball to come right to him and KG went up a threw it down.

Valad need not foul Pierce.

And I would consider Putting Odom on KG for rebounding purposes because Odoms man just kept pushing him under the basket for offensive boards. LAKERS HAVE HAVE HAVE HAVE TO Box Out!!!!!!
We don't need you coming over here raving about Boston's "superior" defense.

If some here went to your board and gloated how would you respond ?

Your team won the game OK why gloat here about what the Lakers need to do here and do that and do this and Kobe that you won OK we get it.
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Post#27 » by shobe_81 » Fri Jun 6, 2008 9:34 pm

I'm undercover u fool!
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Post#28 » by DEEP3CL » Fri Jun 6, 2008 9:36 pm

leper-con wrote:I don't think you will see a whole lot of changes. The Lakers did everything a team needs to do to win on the road. They kept it close and gave themselves a chance to win at the end.

I thought the key was PJ Brown. He is more mobile than Perkins and was ble to better stay with the LAkers perimeter bigs.
And they claim not to come to this board, but like I knew they would after they got the win.

You just couldn't resist posting huh ?

Cause see my problem I have with you guys is that Laker fans are being "warned" and practically being ran off your board. But I guess you think we didn't notice that huh ?
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Post#29 » by DEEP3CL » Fri Jun 6, 2008 9:39 pm

shobe_81 wrote:I'm undercover u fool!
Yeah you undercover alright I've seen all your post there. What do play me for a fool like I'm 3 years old or something ?
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SmartWentCrazy wrote:It's extremely unlikely that they end up in the top 3.They're probably better off trying to win and giving Philly the 8th pick than tanking and giving them the 4th.
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Post#30 » by shobe_81 » Fri Jun 6, 2008 9:43 pm

DEEP3CL wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

Yeah you undercover alright I've seen all your post there. What do play me for a fool like I'm 3 years old or something ?


Yes actually I do, I don't think you really understand, ask the hater HarlemHeat, he will tell you!

Ask some Lakers fans and they'll tell you, and I didn't say much on their board that favored Celtics. I was neutral or more lenient toward Lakers. Maybe you should have a look at my post history! :banghead:
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Post#31 » by shobe_81 » Fri Jun 6, 2008 9:46 pm

The signature is just as undercover protection, because anything that is said to those fans without having this sig is like arguing against them!

I've noticed a change with this sig, it actually works but I hope I don't turn my fellow fans the other way.

Go back and read my long post, I was speaking of what Lakers needed to do to improve!
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Post#32 » by DEEP3CL » Fri Jun 6, 2008 10:00 pm

shobe_81 wrote:The signature is just as undercover protection, because anything that is said to those fans without having this sig is like arguing against them!

I've noticed a change with this sig, it actually works but I hope I don't turn my fellow fans the other way.

Go back and read my long post, I was speaking of what Lakers needed to do to improve!
OK man we good then, but you gotta understand man I'm probably more pissed then the players was or should be. We flat out tanked in the 2nd have last night.

Yeah your right about not being able to communicate with them, those are some arrogant, ignorant, conceded a$$ people.

But we good man, just a lot of built up anger in me at the moment.
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Post#33 » by DEEP3CL » Fri Jun 6, 2008 10:02 pm

Hey shobe81 you know those maggots come and read but don't post right ? How will you still stay undercover ?
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SmartWentCrazy wrote:It's extremely unlikely that they end up in the top 3.They're probably better off trying to win and giving Philly the 8th pick than tanking and giving them the 4th.
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Post#34 » by shobe_81 » Fri Jun 6, 2008 10:05 pm

So far so good, haha! The signature fakes them right into it. I'm sure they'll figure it out soon enough.
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Post#35 » by MAMBAEMD » Sat Jun 7, 2008 8:48 pm

Needed adjustments:
Intensity
Focus
Stay cool
Run the offense
Box out and rebound

They will do these things. I know they will. They have made necessary adjustments in every series.
I think the only way the Lakers lose Game 2 is if the C's play their best game of the year.
The Lakers will bring it for Game 2.
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Post#36 » by milesfides » Sun Jun 8, 2008 1:20 am

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They were not good looks at all imo even though he may be capable of making most of them, esp. if they're not falling early like Tony said. Boston is playing him man and forcing him to be a high volume shooter, all his jumpers were contested and the majority from deep. When you have that high a skill level and that amount of talent around you, shooting 9 for 26 on jumpers should not happen. Attack the basket, Boston might block 1 or 2 but its a much higher % shot or FTs and it will lead to open teammates when he drives and dishes. Just b/c Kobe defended himself by saying they were good shots doesn't mean they were, I think Boston would gladly love Kobe to settle for the same 26 shots all series.


Nah, Boston didn't luck out because Kobe shot poorly. This is how they play defense. Kobe shot poorly in the regular season games against Boston. Lebron shot 36% in 7 games against the Celtics. The Celtics are excellent at defending elite perimter players.

The man probably most responsible for that is new assistant coach Tom Thibodeau. "In 14 NBA seasons, Thibodeau has helped his team finish in the NBA's Top Ten in team defense 11 times." -nba.com. This includes Houston, San Antonio, and the Knicks (back when the Knicks played stiffling defense). This assistant coach has a lot of respect around the league for what he's done.

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Post#37 » by Gomes3PC » Sun Jun 8, 2008 3:51 am

The problem the Lakers face is that the Celtics bring up two problems at once that they have not faced together:

1) The rebounding and physicality of Utah
2) The team defense concept of San Antonio

Utah could get the extra possessions to score with LAL but couldn't make the stops. SA could make the stops but couldn't grab enough rebounds so LAL got extra possessions. Boston has both, and I think that's what should scare Lakers fans the most.

Not saying they can't win, because the Lakers have beaten every type of team they've faced so far. Simply put though, the Celtics are the most complete team they have faced, from balance on offense to physicality and rebounding to excellent team D. They really require you to play a complete game to beat them, or for a lot of contested jumpers to fall. Earlier in the playoffs they were still learning how to adapt to playoff basketball, but I think the first two series solidified their trust in each other during crunch time and taught them they could win close playoff games.

By the end of the Detroit series, we C's fans saw they had that regular season swagger back, and knew they were back to playing ubuntu basketball. LA will have to find a way to play a complete game 4 times in the next 6 games if they want to beat Boston. We'll see if Phil, Kobe, & co. are up to the task. Should be a great series!

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