A Doc Rivers Coached Team is in the NBA Finals

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Had faith in him since the beginning, YES!
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Post#61 » by sixers_610 » Sun Jun 1, 2008 11:29 pm

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Yea, the Celts should have stuck with Gerald Green, Al Jefferson and Ryan Gomes. They would definitely still be in the finals. :banghead:

Teams should never try to improve via trades, just work with what you get from the draft, otherwise it's tainted. :crazy:

Bottom line is they are wearing the green, so they are Celtics. This is 2008, not 1968.


Are you even reading what I said? Or do you just like to spout off?


I am not saying they should have stuck with the garbage with what they had before. All I think is that these hired guns diminish the Finals run.
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Post#62 » by ilikecb4 » Sun Jun 1, 2008 11:31 pm

I think DOc and Tom Tib. have done a good job on the defensive end

offensively, they could be doing a lot better
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Post#63 » by ninetyone4ever » Mon Jun 2, 2008 2:12 am

If you look at each team and coach in the league, I'd say Doc Rivers is one of the least responsible for the respective success or failure of his squad out of all of 'em. These are all veterans on this team who were willing to put aside bickering and stat lines for the cause of winning, and when guys of this level of talent put together can do that coaching is a secondary. Doc Rivers deserves credit more for not doing anything to "blow it" rather than credit for the success... thats not a knock on him as I really have no opinion of him one way or the other, just the way I see it.

On the other hand I think Phil Jackson has worked some magic again keeping this younger Laker team together thru roster changes, trade demands and such. Other than Bryant/Fisher, this is one of the youngest teams I can remember in the finals and to top it off they had to get through what was probably one of the toughest conferences in the last couple decades to get there. The league's poster boys, the spurs, even fell to them in five games.
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Post#64 » by sirgant1 » Mon Jun 2, 2008 2:38 am

sixers_610 wrote:-= original quote snipped =-



Are you even reading what I said? Or do you just like to spout off?


I am not saying they should have stuck with the garbage with what they had before. All I think is that these hired guns diminish the Finals run.



Yea, I read what you said, and it's silly. Did you think about what you were posting before you started typing? It can't diminish anything, because it wouldn't exist without those players.

It's the equivalent of saying a businessman's success in business would be diminshed because he got an SBA loan, as opposed to using his own money.
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Post#65 » by magicfan4life05 » Sun Jun 8, 2008 3:16 pm

Did anyone hear Doc Rivers talking to his team when Pierce went down? It went to that ESPN Wired thing for coaches and he said something like, "We have to overcome adversity, remember what the guy from Africa said.."

:lol:

How do you preach what ever guy he was talking about says and refer to him as "the guy from Africa"? Then after the game on SportsCenter they showed the clip and just took out the part where he said "the guy from Africa"

At first I thought he was talking about Nelson Mandela, but Doc kept mentioning him as 'cheetah' in his post game talk, and then a poster here brought up he might be the south african dude who introduced the celtics players to the concept of "ubuntu" earlier this season.



Either way, c'mon Doc, YOU'RE BETTER THAN THAT!!

and so is the 'guy from south africa' !
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Post#66 » by tsherkin » Mon Jun 9, 2008 2:45 pm

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See, I really hate when people offer their insight on something where they really have no place doing it. If you are not in the locker room and at practices, I can not see how you can form an opinion like this.

They don't see that out of the people in the rotation this year, only 3 of them are in it now. People also don't take into account that people can improve in their abilities. Rookies can improve but coaches can't?


Sorry I didn't get to this earlier, haven't been on the boards much.

Your big problem is that you defend Rivers without substance; throughout the course of the regular season, Rivers displayed all of his old problems (weak rotations, odd lineups, weak in-game adjustments, weak structure to his offense, a tendency towards weak fourth quarters, etc).

None of that changed, the Celtics displayed all the hallmarks of every team Rivers has headed up as the coach since he started out in Orlando.

That, right off the bat, invalidates your comments.

The roster components have changed, yes, and dramatically. The Celtics added a player who anchored their defense and won the DPOY, they added two other 20 ppg scorers, they added a great defensive coach under Rivers. These things are significant.

Rivers has improved; in the postseason, particularly in the series against the Pistons and in the first game against the Lakers, he's been trusting his bench more and working with more reasonable rotations.

But for you to attack me on the basis of those comments would be somewhat ridiculous given that you imply Rivers has made noticeable changes and upgrades to his coaching style when the preponderance of evidence at hand suggests otherwise... Lately, he's been doing a better job and I did acknowledge what changes he's made.

Doc might be the reason the Celtics won Game One of the Finals, on the basis of every one of his decisions working out just right. But while that evidences improvement, it is not the hallmark of a radical change in his coaching disposition. That'd be like wondering why the Bulls went from 40 wins in 86-87 to 50 wins in 87-88. The coach stayed the same but they added some key new players (of some note is that Phil Jackson became an assistant with the Bulls in '87, as well).

He's always been a middle-of-the-pack coach, never an especially stand-out example of coaching acumen. That observation is borne out by watching games, listening to quotes from players and other coaches, etc.

Happily, it has not been an impediment to Boston and he has begun adapting to the roster. Lately, we've seen him empowering Rajon Rondo and not abusing the presence of Sam Cassell with big minutes and we saw him give Perk big minutes in the ECF, about 8 more than he averaged in either of the first two rounds (though he's down to around 18 in the Finals because he only played 14 minutes in Game 2, probably on account of the ankle). He's been riding the hot bench hand and trusting Rondo, the two most important things for him to be doing, so that's fine.

Notably, the Celtics resisted a big scoring push from Kobe (even while Kobe added 8 assists), though it is with some consternation that we all remember the 41-point 4th the Celtics just allowed, yes?

EDIT: Just to add to the 4th Q meltdown the Celtics experienced, that was ENTIRELY on Doc and his stupid small-ball lineup... Ugh.
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Post#67 » by Happyfoosball » Mon Jun 9, 2008 2:56 pm

Doc Rivers is a terrible coach but Boston is by far the best team in the NBA this year. It doesn't change the fact that Atlanta took them to 7 which should have never happened. Cleveland did too.

Funny how the best team from the great west is down 0-2.
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Post#68 » by magicfan4life05 » Mon Jun 9, 2008 3:03 pm

Glenn "Doc" Rivers is 2 wins away from




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HOW IS THIS POSSIBLE!?!?!
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Post#69 » by Kefa461 » Mon Jun 9, 2008 3:48 pm

This whole post is another one from a C hater......but this one is from a guy who's org. let a coach go who might get a ring before the org. does. thats all.
Man let it go...maybe....and I ain't saying the C's have this thing locked down..we need 2 more wins, but you ran to the Det. board and prayed they beat us now you rag on our coach because your team fired him and he has success.....you are just a bitter hater bro.......it's kinda funny now....... 8)
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Post#70 » by Kefa461 » Mon Jun 9, 2008 3:51 pm

sixers_610 wrote:-= original quote snipped =-



Are you even reading what I said? Or do you just like to spout off?


I am not saying they should have stuck with the garbage with what they had before. All I think is that these hired guns diminish the Finals run.


The trades diminish nothing.....only in you and your buddys mind and I go way back too...... 8)
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Post#71 » by magicfan4life05 » Mon Jun 9, 2008 4:02 pm

Kefa461 wrote:This whole post is another one from a C hater......but this one is from a guy who's org. let a coach go who might get a ring before the org. does. thats all.
Man let it go...maybe....and I ain't saying the C's have this thing locked down..we need 2 more wins, but you ran to the Det. board and prayed they beat us now you rag on our coach because your team fired him and he has success.....you are just a bitter hater bro.......it's kinda funny now....... 8)




Stop calling me a hater, if boston wins it all, ill be THE FIRST ONE TO CONGRATULATE you and your team. Why do you take this so seriously, this just a joke.

But just remember, if Doc makes one mistake with a substitution or does anything to the slightest wrong, the entire city of boston is calling for his head and they do it all the time and you know it. When boston lost game 6 in atlanta, you had threads asking if you win it all should you still fire him, when you went to game 7 with cleveland, you wanted to fire him right then. It's only when the big 3 bail him out, he wins the series you start saying how great a coach he is and blah blah and how he's owning phil jackson and is so great a motivator and stuff. Everyone knows he's on a short leash and the little bit of impropriety and he's gone.

I got no reason to hate him, in fact, I know how badly he's disrespected in the city of boston b/c people dont think that much of him. When you won the conference championship, your VP was praising ainge, the big 3, and everyone else EXCEPT DOC while the man was standing right there.

So don't go come here and accuse everyone of hating your coach, even though you are looking for reasons to fire him every other week.

Make no mistake about it, the Celtics win DESPITE of River's and his coaching, it's a tribute to how good their team is and their Defensive assistant coach, and I dare you to say that's not true, because you cant, I know you cant, ainge knows you cant, and everyone knows you cant, but just try it, I need a good laugh.
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Post#72 » by Celtsfan1980 » Mon Jun 9, 2008 7:08 pm

It's hilarious because, when the trade happened, Ainge was mocked for trading for Ray Allen. That's basically all I heard was how bad of a trade it was, and now they were handed a trade since it has worked out. You can certainly make a case that the Garnett trade was lopsided, but not the Ray Allen one. Let's look at a few of the recent Championship teams. The Lakers got Shaq in free agency(didn't have to get rid of anything for one of the sport's 20 greatest players). The Spurs got Duncan and Robinson in the draft lottery. The Bulls got Dennis Rodman for Will Purdue. If it diminishes Boston's possible Championship team, how do the others not apply as well?

Doc does make some very dumb decisions. The Lakers had no answer for Leon Powe, but Doc decided to keep him on the bench even with the lead dwindling. That just amazed me. Success is 95% based on players' abilities, and 5% on coach. It is a player's league, and it wouldn't surprise me if even Doc can coach a team to a Championship.
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Post#73 » by GonzoLays » Mon Jun 9, 2008 7:20 pm

magicfan4life05 wrote:Make no mistake about it, the Celtics win DESPITE of River's and his coaching, it's a tribute to how good their team is and their Defensive assistant coach, and I dare you to say that's not true, because you cant, I know you cant, ainge knows you cant, and everyone knows you cant, but just try it, I need a good laugh.


That might the dumbest thing I have ever read on RealGM.

You don't know jack-squat about Doc Rivers and you are acting like a clown in thinking so.

Just because you read a Bill Simmons article bashing Doc, you think everyone in Boston does. Stupid.

Fact of the matter is that Doc has had the highest percentage of plays coming out timeouts to score in the league in the past three years. That's your x's and o's.

He took the worst team to ever make the playoffs in the history of the NBA and won coach of the year honors.

He led the Celtics to the best record in the NBA.

And currently he is making Phil Jackson look like the CBA coach he use to be. Phil got so shook last night, he played a guy who has logged about five minutes the past five months and put him in the finals!!
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Post#74 » by Tricky Ricky » Mon Jun 9, 2008 7:33 pm

Doc Rivers has learned A LOT this postseason, I was possibly the biggest hater ever before the playoffs but since halfway through the Cle series he has been excellent!
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Post#75 » by massey1992 » Tue Jun 10, 2008 3:12 pm

I honestly thought that he would get to the Finals. He is a very good coach that enforces teamwork. Great coach.

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