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Post#581 » by DEEP3CL » Mon Jun 9, 2008 6:34 am

IEcelticfan wrote:man am i glad we survived that was a great game a very close one but i'm glad we won. great game again, guys!!! la is just a magnificent, spectacular and unstopabble offensive team.
Man according to your "posse" on your board the Lakers are "soft" yet we scored more points and out shot the Celtics in the paint.

Basically what your doing is gloating, hey your team is good whole nation saw it. If I was right in what I saw with how the refs set the precedent, script says Lakers should win all 3 at home.

You know just following the direction of what Stern says should happen.
Really weird that a "role" player shot more free throws then our whole squad.

I could settle for it if was KG or Paul, but Powe ? And free throws ended up being 38 to 10. Not saying that was the sole reason Lakers lost but you'd have to be out your damn mind to think that wasn't a factor tonight.

Basically seeing how your running from the GB to your own board talking sh*t then you come in here and post that fake crap, man you a BUSTA.

I basically followed you and saw every post you posted after this one like I said you wasn't coming to do nothing but gloat. GTFO
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Post#582 » by milesfides » Mon Jun 9, 2008 7:36 am

Phil Jackson called the foul discrepancy "ridiculous" and "unbelievable" and that he has "never seen a game like that in all these years I
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Post#583 » by Slava » Mon Jun 9, 2008 8:00 am

Kobe should have asked one of the refs how much he's got riding on the game.

Wait, didn Bob Delaney tech him up for that? :lol:
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Post#584 » by LarBrd33 » Mon Jun 9, 2008 8:03 am

Man I don't want to sound like some Troll, but seriously some of the Laker fans are out of control with the complaining about the refs. I watched a lot of that Spurs/Lakers series... You guys are really complaining about the refs right now? Really?

And don't be so shocked that Leon Powe got to the line. The Laker interior defense has been garbage in the first 2 games. Seriously it's as simple as that. Within 5 minutes of game 1 I was instantly saying, "holy crap KG hasn't been this close to the bucket in 2 months". Tons of open lanes and open shots. I'm not exaggerating or trying to rile stuff up, but the Cavs and the Pistons were NOT giving the Celtics those kind of looks. Powe (and Glen Davis who has not received minutes in the playoffs) is the kind of player who survives on hanging around the basket and waiting for open looks. The big 3 get a lot of attention and it leaves a guy like Powe wide open. If your interior defense is weak, it will mean a lot of easy dunks. You can act shocked about Powe, but the guy had several games throughout the season where he "shocked" opponents. 18 and 8, 19 and 9... 22 and 8... His final game of the season he had 27 and 11. The guy averages 8 points on 14 minutes per game and shot 57%. This is the kind of game he plays.

For whatever reason, Powe has not received minutes in the playoffs. Several Boston fans have been irate about this. A few possible reasons: #1 - It's his second season and Doc fears Powe can't handle the pressure of the playoffs. #2 - I've heard Powe blows some defensive assignments and the team obviously values it's defense above all things. #3 - Probably don't feel he's a good matchup for that specific team. To anyone who was following the Celtics this year... the game performance was not a surprise. It wouldn't have been a surprise if it was Glen Davis either. (Perkins could play that role as well, but his reaction time is PAINFULLY SLOW and usually he gives defenders time to catch up). These guys wait under the bucket and get easy looks. If you're already leaving him that open your options are #1 - get dunked on or #2 - foul him. I'm not understanding the Laker complainers right now. Are you disputing that the guy was fouled? They left him open and they suffered the consequences.

The "coast-to-coast" Leon Powe dunk summed up the entire thing well and nixes any possible dispute you could have. Laker defense was terrible. Accept it.


On the other hand the Celtic defense has done an effective job at blocking the middle and preventing many inside looks for the Lakers. The Lakers are instead settling for jump shots. If they were able to get lanes to the bucket, they'd obviously get more opportunities to shoot free throws. In the post game they brought up the stat that Kobe only went to the line 11 times in 5 games against the Spurs (he already has 13 in this series). Again, that's a result of the Spurs forcing Kobe to shoot jump shots.

Seriously I haven't seen so many excuses. Lakers are the favorites to win this series and it's a long way from being over. It's only been 2 games. I know you guys have had some easy opponents and facing some defensive competition is new, but tone down the complaining. I'm sure you guys will bounce back and adjust. Right now the Lakers need to play some defense and try to get their offense going consistently... not complain about the refs.
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Post#585 » by Slava » Mon Jun 9, 2008 8:19 am

Well, what coincidence that ABC does a half time segment of the guy and he ends up having a career game on the same day? Someone's writing a really great script. Now that the underdog a.k.a cinderella story is over, whats next? :D
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Post#586 » by magic1fan » Mon Jun 9, 2008 8:19 am

LarBrd33 wrote:Man I don't want to sound like some Troll, but seriously some of the Laker fans are out of control with the complaining about the refs. I watched a lot of that Spurs/Lakers series... You guys are really complaining about the refs right now? Really?

And don't be so shocked that Leon Powe got to the line. The Laker interior defense has been garbage in the first 2 games. Seriously it's as simple as that. Within 5 minutes of game 1 I was instantly saying, "holy crap KG hasn't been this close to the bucket in 2 months". Tons of open lanes and open shots. I'm not exaggerating or trying to rile stuff up, but the Cavs and the Pistons were NOT giving the Celtics those kind of looks. Powe (and Glen Davis who has not received minutes in the playoffs) is the kind of player who survives on hanging around the basket and waiting for open looks. The big 3 get a lot of attention and it leaves a guy like Powe wide open. If your interior defense is weak, it will mean a lot of easy dunks. You can act shocked about Powe, but the guy had several games throughout the season where he "shocked" opponents. 18 and 8, 19 and 9... 22 and 8... His final game of the season he had 27 and 11. The guy averages 8 points on 14 minutes per game and shot 57%. This is the kind of game he plays.

For whatever reason, Powe has not received minutes in the playoffs. Several Boston fans have been irate about this. A few possible reasons: #1 - It's his second season and Doc fears Powe can't handle the pressure of the playoffs. #2 - I've heard Powe blows some defensive assignments and the team obviously values it's defense above all things. #3 - Probably don't feel he's a good matchup for that specific team. To anyone who was following the Celtics this year... the game performance was not a surprise. It wouldn't have been a surprise if it was Glen Davis either. (Perkins could play that role as well, but his reaction time is PAINFULLY SLOW and usually he gives defenders time to catch up). These guys wait under the bucket and get easy looks. If you're already leaving him that open your options are #1 - get dunked on or #2 - foul him. I'm not understanding the Laker complainers right now. Are you disputing that the guy was fouled? They left him open and they suffered the consequences.

The "coast-to-coast" Leon Powe dunk summed up the entire thing well and nixes any possible dispute you could have. Laker defense was terrible. Accept it.


On the other hand the Celtic defense has done an effective job at blocking the middle and preventing many inside looks for the Lakers. The Lakers are instead settling for jump shots. If they were able to get lanes to the bucket, they'd obviously get more opportunities to shoot free throws. In the post game they brought up the stat that Kobe only went to the line 11 times in 5 games against the Spurs (he already has 13 in this series). Again, that's a result of the Spurs forcing Kobe to shoot jump shots.

Seriously I haven't seen so many excuses. Lakers are the favorites to win this series and it's a long way from being over. It's only been 2 games. I know you guys have had some easy opponents and facing some defensive competition is new, but tone down the complaining. I'm sure you guys will bounce back and adjust. Right now the Lakers need to play some defense and try to get their offense going consistently... not complain about the refs.





wow! you must really be proud of yourself. being able to use that many words and still not saying anything. the celtics defense is overrataed! they foul alot. i need extra hands to count how many times they were grabbing our jerseys under the basket,or how much they push and pull. give me a break saying the lakers are soft. no one and i mean no one on the celtics is a rough player. kg is a 7 ft jumpshooter just like pau. when did he become so tough? some of you might think pierce is tough because he flashes gang signs on tv but that means nothing in the game. ray allen has never been tough. fact is boston got alot of home cooking in game two,and needed all of it just to escape with a 6 point win. as much as kobe was being bumped there is no way in hell powe should have more free throws than him,let alone the entire team. then being the true to form(biased) refs they were. kobe goes down and pierce almost snatches his arm off,and no call. fisher barely taps pierce and he gets two foul shots. man please! only an idiot would try and justify tonight's bull calls on the lakers. there is no excuse for what went on tonight,period!
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Post#587 » by LarBrd33 » Mon Jun 9, 2008 8:34 am

j-far wrote:Well, what coincidence that ABC does a half time segment of the guy and he ends up having a career game on the same day? Someone's writing a really great script. Now that the underdog a.k.a cinderella story is over, whats next? :D


Man don't even go there. I'm a Celtic fan and you're a Laker fan. Neither of us has any business talking about scripts. If we go down that route then we can start wondering why the year the Celtics fanbase was at an alltime low (landing the #5 pick) they end up suddenly receiving a franchise savior.... or that the year the celtics were finally competitive and the Lakers center goes down with an injury, they suddenly get gifted Pau Gasol.... or that several highly questionable calls during the Spurs series allowed the Lakers to advance to the finals.... if we're talking "script" then the whole Lakers/Celtics thing has been manufactured all year by the NBA and the entire league has a reason to be pissed at us.

Lakers are 0-4 against the Celtics this year. Their defense has been ridiculously soft. If you want a reason to be mad, be mad at the Lakers for breaking out of the triangle and not playing any defense... not pretending like it's some conspiracy to bring down the Lakers. Give me a break. Quit crying. It's going to be a long series.
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Post#588 » by LarBrd33 » Mon Jun 9, 2008 8:36 am

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wow! you must really be proud of yourself. being able to use that many words and still not saying anything. the celtics defense is overrataed! they foul alot. i need extra hands to count how many times they were grabbing our jerseys under the basket,or how much they push and pull. give me a break saying the lakers are soft. no one and i mean no one on the celtics is a rough player. kg is a 7 ft jumpshooter just like pau. when did he become so tough? some of you might think pierce is tough because he flashes gang signs on tv but that means nothing in the game. ray allen has never been tough. fact is boston got alot of home cooking in game two,and needed all of it just to escape with a 6 point win. as much as kobe was being bumped there is no way in hell powe should have more free throws than him,let alone the entire team. then being the true to form(biased) refs they were. kobe goes down and pierce almost snatches his arm off,and no call. fisher barely taps pierce and he gets two foul shots. man please! only an idiot would try and justify tonight's bull calls on the lakers. there is no excuse for what went on tonight,period!


If you makes you feel better im cool with it. The refs don't get the Lakers down 24 points. Crap defense does. The same crap defense the CEltics played in the 4th quarter to allow the Lakers to bring it to 2 points. Im not gonna cry about it.
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Post#589 » by milesfides » Mon Jun 9, 2008 8:50 am

Talking about the Spurs or the Lakers poor defense is irrelevant.

The refs blew a lot of calls this game, or they didn't.

And as I quoted up there, many other observers from the media saw what Laker fans saw.

And it wasn't just one controversial call, if that's what you're alluding to about the Spurs series.

The uneven calls occurred throughout the game, it took Kobe out of the game early, allowed Boston to gain momentum and extend their lead.

This isn't whining, it's observation. I'm not saying the league fixed the Finals or that the refs are on the take. But it was a very one-sided officiated game. I had no problem with Game One. Officiating was not a factor. It was in this game.

But it's done and over with, so on to the next three games in Los Angeles. Hopefully nobody will have any reason to complain about the officiating.
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Post#590 » by LarBrd33 » Mon Jun 9, 2008 8:56 am

the media is going to jump on the Laker bandwagon, because they have been bias towards Los Angeles for a couple months. Everyone's picking LA to win this thing. The media wants the next Jordan. They'll grasp at excuses as much as the Laker players and fans will.

Really though... this is the same delusional fanbase who thinks Paul Pierce would fake an injury in the middle of an important momentum swing during the biggest game of his entire career... just so he could be a hero. Give me a break, man. Grasping... grasping... I imagine you people figure Pierce faked that club incident where he got stabbed 11 times too, huh? I mean he didn't even miss any games... must have been exaggerating. Face it... the guy's a mutant. They should replace Chuck Norris jokes with Paul Pierce jokes. That's the reality, folks. (by the end of the week I expect some wha wha laker fan threads about how Pierce has an unfair advantage due to his superhuman healing mutation)
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Post#591 » by B-Diddy#1fan » Mon Jun 9, 2008 9:10 am

Reason the Lakers lost is because Kobe Bryant didn't get the ball in the final 22 seconds until it was too late.
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Post#592 » by theman » Mon Jun 9, 2008 11:16 am

milesfides wrote:Talking about the Spurs or the Lakers poor defense is irrelevant.

The refs blew a lot of calls this game, or they didn't.

And as I quoted up there, many other observers from the media saw what Laker fans saw.

And it wasn't just one controversial call, if that's what you're alluding to about the Spurs series.

The uneven calls occurred throughout the game, it took Kobe out of the game early, allowed Boston to gain momentum and extend their lead.

This isn't whining, it's observation. I'm not saying the league fixed the Finals or that the refs are on the take. But it was a very one-sided officiated game. I had no problem with Game One. Officiating was not a factor. It was in this game.

But it's done and over with, so on to the next three games in Los Angeles. Hopefully nobody will have any reason to complain about the officiating.


I'm not so sure it was the officiating as it was the Lakers style of play. The came out with an attitude where they wanted to show they are not soft and could be the tougher team. But that is not their style so they got called.

There are always bad calls on both sides. Usually, the losing team notices more. I would prefer officials in general not call as many fouls. I think it is better to not call a foul than to call a none existent one.


LarBrd33 wrote:the media is going to jump on the Laker bandwagon, because they have been bias towards Los Angeles for a couple months. Everyone's picking LA to win this thing. The media wants the next Jordan. They'll grasp at excuses as much as the Laker players and fans will.



I never understood this. It comes down to the great player vs. the great team. It would seem the touchy feelly media types would be all for team work and all that sort of thing. I guess it is just easier to push the player than analyze team defense.
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Post#593 » by PT_Lakers_fan » Mon Jun 9, 2008 11:51 am

I felt asleep in the 3rd cause we were playing so badly...

I saw that we did a great 4th quarter but it wasnt enough :(

Now we have to win all the games at home and then win at Boston....not easy for us now :-?

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Post#594 » by phat_24 » Mon Jun 9, 2008 12:48 pm

Not gonna be easy. I can't even sleep right now with exams coming up because of what I saw in the 1st, 2nd and 3rd quarters. It was just...shameful.

I do believe the refs officiated poorly almost to the point where I expected a foul call no matter who had the ball for Boston. Lakers vs. Refs + Celtics. It's very hard to win on the road and with the refs giving that much homecourt advantage.

But what worried the most and what gives me a bleak outlook for the series IF we can get this past the 5th game is playing with the intensity, hustle and desire to win in Boston. Hell I'm pretty negative to the point where Boston's hunger alone will win them the series with/without fair officiating. They just look like they want it much more than we do barring that 4th quarter meltdown. Are we waiting for next season to win the championship. It seemed that way in the first 3 quarters.

I just hope Kobe can make the necessary adjustments against the D. Again too many jumpshots but it's difficult when the lane is getting clogged up and you're not getting any calls.

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Post#595 » by hermes » Mon Jun 9, 2008 1:24 pm

man the first 3 quarters sucked, for a while it seemed boston got fouled every time down the court
hopefully the comeback gives us something to build on
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Post#596 » by Big Bird » Mon Jun 9, 2008 1:54 pm

I never came on here, because I was to sad to type, but I'll just say this:

I don't think I've ever been prouder of this team in the past year than I was during the last 7 minutes of yesterday's game. Too bad we couldn't muster one last defensive stop to cap off that 31-9 run.

This is far from over, although even if we manage to sweep the home games I have serious doubts we can win in Boston.

But, as the wise men say, one game a time.. one game at a time.
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Post#597 » by TheUrbanZealot » Mon Jun 9, 2008 1:55 pm

shobe_81 wrote:Thanks Miles,

How can we keep this guy playing a SF? I'd much rather him not play or come off the bench at the 4 spot. It's not like Luke freaking Walton is going to lock down Powe or hit 3's playing at the 4 spot like he did today! And Radman isn't even a consistent 3'pt shooter, he misses simple open 3's. I'd much rather him snowboard and fake an injury instead of play for the Lakers.

Move Kobe to SF and Put Sasha at 2! Take the freaking chances with Kobe guarding Pierce even if it tires out Kobe, it's not like Kobe is resting against Allen off all those screens and running! Kobe does a good job in denying the ball to Pierce. And Pierce won't be easily getting to the basket when Kobe guards him.

We've gotta make Pierce a jump-shooter, when he blows by Radman, he completely breaks down the defense and give easy dunks to other players!

And how about the 4th quarter at like the 4:30 mark, the ball bounced right off the rim and Radman just didn't even grab the ball and gave up a 2 point lay-up to Ray Allen. COME ON, it was a simple rebound, a very simple rebound he didn't even attempt to grab. The ball came right at him and flew over his head.

AND WHY do we keep going on top of the screens? Make Fisher go under the screen and give Rondo the jumper, cause Rando keeps driving and breaking down the defense when we try to go over the screen, and Gasol isn't quick enough to stay with him and if he does, Rondo give KG a wide open jumper!

And it seems apparent that Odom won't do anything on offense this series, nor will the triangle work well, our best bet is to run the high pick-n-roll with Kobe & Gasol or start Kobe at the low-post or Post Gasol up! Sadly on 3 plays.



Ridiculously reactive post. Anyone placing complete blame on Radman is just buying into Phil Jackson's space cadet label. The whole Lakers team was a sieve defensively! Anyways, back to the Pierce isssue:

Remember, that NO ONE, not even Kobe, is going to stop Paul Pierce from getting his points! The guy is shooting at a high percentage and is a matchup problem for the Lakers, period. He's done the same thing when he came to LA to play the Lakers. That doesn't mean Radman gets a pass by any stretch, but he can't be expected to shut down Pierce, becasue no one can. What the Lakers need to do is what they started to do late in the 2nd quarter which actually worked- and that's double Pierce whenever he gets it.

The REAL problem is that Rajon Rondo was getting in the lane at will and forcing help, thus leaving people wide open. Rajon Rondo CANNOT SHOOT FROM THE OUTSIDE!!! Why we aren't playing off of him, and using his man to double everyone, is beyond me.

If I were Phil Jackson, I'd show Rondo ZERO respect with his jumper. Use Fish as the defensive floater and let Rondo brick away. We haven't turned Rondo into a jumpshooter, THAT's the biggest problem...

Also, to Radman's credit, he did make up for some prior lapses by helping get us back in the game. He had a double double, and I think only 1 turnover. I still find it funny how the guy is pretty much the scapegoat for most Lakers losses and if he does anything good there is still the "but he still played like a space cadet...".
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Post#598 » by hermes » Mon Jun 9, 2008 3:05 pm

vlad was big in the comeback, the penetration does need to be stopped

and hopefully we shoot lights out at home
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Post#599 » by incontrol__ » Mon Jun 9, 2008 4:25 pm

Can the whining about the refs please stop?

Yes, there was a fair amount of home-cooking, and quite a few bad calls, that should come as no surprise though; as always, the refs are influenced by the crowd (some more than others) which leads to more favourable calls toward the home teams.

Did you guys not watch the prior series which we were involved in? The home team got more of the benefit of the doubt (home-cooking) at home.

Granted, this game looks like it was a little excessive in that area, but remember game 2 of the Lakers-Utah series? 43 free throws to 16. We were the more aggresive team, and Utah hacks more, yes, but we also got a fair bit of home-cooking.

What did we say after that game, when the Utah fans were whining about the disparity in calls? We said that they would get home-cooking at home, too, which they did.

There are a few differences this game, yes; we were equally aggressive offensively, but the Celtics also play, and played (for most of the night) much smarter and better defense than us. Our defense was very poor (both inside and outside), whereas the Celtics' was very good. The Celtics, as typically a better defensive team does, knew better how to defend without getting a whistle called.

Our team is not the Phoenix Suns, the Dallas Mavericks, or the Sacramento Queens, so lets stop acting like we're like (a lot of) their fans.

We could have won this game if we had have simply executed better defensively and offensively. So, look at that first, and realise that we will most likely get home-cooking too.

Btw, if Kobe wants to win a championship, and ever wants to be considered among the likes of Magic, and Jordan, he needs to pick up his play. Game 1 was poor (mainly due to his shot being off) and this game was just okay (for him). That is not going to cut it.
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Post#600 » by Gek » Mon Jun 9, 2008 4:31 pm

you know something is fishy when the Lakers made 5 more field goals and 1 more 3pt than the Celtics and didn't miss a freethrow, but lost by 6
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