Never seen such a free throw disparity...

[Athanacropolis]

i think it's funny as well

the huge disparity in free throws the first couple series were "the Celtics are a jump shooting team" and now we come out and get the calls we should have been getting all playoffs long and "i have never seen a disparity like that before"

and espn comments on it

double standard

I know! It's a joke. I can't wait to see Ric "The Dic" Bucher's take on it.

[MyInsatiableOne]

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I agree 100%. He doesn't really know **** about basketball. He's just a big fan who spends a lot of time following the game, like any of us. Jon Barry continuously makes him seem like a moron because he actually breaks things down and says things that make sense. Wilbon is just a fat ugly ****.

I agree. Barry is actually a pleasure to watch and the only reason to listen to the postgame ****, since Scott and Wilbon suck. Wilbon is a Chicago guy and is a longtime Boston hater, too (I've been watching PTI since the show started and he's a big-time Boston hater). Everything is spun to "well the series is still a long way from over". Which it is, I agree, but you know if the Lakers were going home 1-1 or up 2-0, they'd be planning the **** parade through Bevery Hills already!

[Athanacropolis]

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I agree. Barry is actually a pleasure to watch and the only reason to listen to the postgame ****, since Scott and Wilbon suck. Wilbon is a Chicago guy and is a longtime Boston hater, too (I've been watching PTI since the show started and he's a big-time Boston hater). Everything is spun to "well the series is still a long way from over". Which it is, I agree, but you know if the Lakers were going home 1-1 or up 2-0, they'd be planning the **** parade through Bevery Hills already!

Stuart Scott's alright, though--he plays the role of neutral facilitator pretty well.

[ArmstrongInGreen]

yeah jackson and the lakers are behaving like whiny brats. honestly how do you expect to fouls called when you continually settle for jumpers and weak lay-ups around the basket??? please, they made thier bed now sleep in it...

[Athanacropolis]

yeah jackson and the lakers are behaving like whiny brats. honestly how do you expect to fouls called when you continually settle for jumpers and weak lay-ups around the basket??? please, they made thier bed now sleep in it...

[UGA Hayes]

I thought the officiating was in our favor overall however I thought the majority of horrendous calls were in the first 14 minutes or so of the game and the Lakers were still in the game, if not leading. They actually did pretty well when Kobe was on the bench. To me what made the game look worse than it really was was a couple of no calls where it looked like one of our playres grabbed one of their players arms while driving. Also the Lakers through a lot of attepted from the 3 pt line alleyoops and seemed to want a foul everyytime our guys legitimately intercepted it.

To me the FT disparity is a bit overblown. We deserved almost all of our FT attempts outside of ones which were bonus freebies(Not that many I believe, as most were flat out shooting fouls). They probably deserved some FT b/c they might have been in the bonus earlier if the aformentioned fouls has been called, but they didn't really deserve any FT from shooting fouls as Kobe never got to the rim (Didn't deserve a FT on the oned he complained to a technical) and Pau and Odom were complaining all night about plays that were clearly not fouls, things no different from what KG does ( only 3 FT by the way so they were consistant about that).

Our Ft came from dribble drives and o-boards, two things the Lakers were not doing at all yesterday.

[thefoulness]

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I agree 100%. He doesn't really know **** about basketball. He's just a big fan who spends a lot of time following the game, like any of us. Jon Barry continuously makes him seem like a moron because he actually breaks things down and says things that make sense. Wilbon is just a fat ugly ****.

HUH? This is an epically idiotic post.

Wilbon is excellent. Calls them like he sees them.

Comparing yourself to Wilbon is what's called the heights of narcissism.

Makes one looks foolish, and sound like a schmuck.

[tombattor]

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HUH? This is an epically idiotic post.

Wilbon is excellent. Calls them like he sees them.

Comparing yourself to Wilbon is what's called the heights of narcissism.

Makes one looks foolish, and sound like a schmuck.

I guess when you don't know **** and are stupid, people who are less stupid seem smart and know everything.

So when you watch the pregame or postgame, do you find yourself going, "Wow! That Wilbon guy really knows his stuff and is giving us some nice insights?" Maybe you do, but I don't at all. I find myself thinking that about Jon Barry though.

While Barry breaks down how Kobe can't attack the strong side because of the help defense and how the ball should move to find Kobe on the weak side or something like that, Wilbon says **** like if Paul isn't 100% the Celtics are in trouble. No **** Sherlock!

[Milan24]

Maybe Zen has a short memory.

Game 1

UTAH 20-30
Lakers 38-46

Lakers plus 16 att.,
PLUS 18 POINTS.

Game 2

Jazz 13-16
LAKERS 35-43

lAKERS PLUS 27 ATT
pLUS 22 POINTS

gAME 3

jAZZ 20-28
lAKERS 30-37

pLUS 9 ATTEMPTS
Plus 10 points

Game 4

Jazz 37-45
Lakers 14-25

Jazz plus 20 attempts
Jazz plus 23 points

Game 5

Jazz 24-28
Lakers 34-42

Game 6

Jazz 22-25
Lakers 31-38


Series totals:

Lakers 231 attempts to the Jazz's 172.

In all 4 of the Lakers' wins the free throw disparity was greater than the final margin of victory.

BUT, I have never seen this type of disparity before!

The truth of the matters is of course LA isn't as good as they thought, and Boston is better.

Don't let facts get i the way of a good whine. Typical soft Lakers.

You might want to read his quote again. He said:

"I'm more struck at the fact that Leon Powe gets more foul shots than our whole team does in 14 minutes of play," Jackson said. "That's ridiculous. I've never seen a game like that in all these years I've coached in the Finals. Unbelievable."

[UGA Hayes]

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HUH? This is an epically idiotic post.

Wilbon is excellent. Calls them like he sees them.

Comparing yourself to Wilbon is what's called the heights of narcissism.

Makes one looks foolish, and sound like a schmuck.

I like Wilbon but he is a little too much of a jock hugger fence sitter for me. He has made an art of not being critical and I think it detracts from his analysis.

[MyInsatiableOne]

^^I see. So it's OK when Phil's teams job the opponent at the line during the 1st 3 rounds of the playoffs, but when *his* team gets hosed, it's unacceptable? Especially since they took jumpshots ALL NIGHT and never drove to the hoop, while the C's lived in the paint all night. Gotcha.

[BehindTheBushes]

Jackson and lakers should complain if there isn't a issue its called working the refs into your favour I'd do it for sure if the finals are on the line... its better then doing nothing

[jfs1000d]

The reason you hear the whining is everyone assumed since Kobe is the best player, adn the Lakers rolled in the "tougher" west, that this was going to be an easy series.

Reality is the top 4 in the East are pretty good, and Detroit and Boston were probably the best two teams in the NBA this season.

So, how do you explain the prohibitive favorite getting punked? There has to be a reason.

It's a logical fallacy. Everyone assumed the Lakers were better, so now there has to be an ulterior reason why this has happened.

I just never thought that was the case. Kobe doesn't put the Lakers over the top, HE GETS THEM EVEN.

This Lakers team is great offensively because of its shooters, but they can't guard a chair. The Lake show is a horrendous matchup against Boston. They can't guard any of the 5 positions. How many assists would have Boston have had if the Lake show didn't foul? Boston should have scored 120 tonight if KG would take one more step in and shoot 15 footers and not 19 footers.

The fouls were somewhat ok, 28-21, but, because Boston broke down LA off the dribble they got LA retreating. that is how you get fouls. Boston has done a great job of keeping everything in front of them. they learned in earlier series to guard without fouling.

Bad job by the Lakers.

[Celtsfan1980]

Does anyone know what Phil Jackson said following game 6 of the Lakers-Kings series? Does he actually complain when his teams are getting the calls or is he just biased? And I'm really not surprised at the media's reaction. Many of them thought the Lakers would have an easy time so they have to find some excuse.

[theFRANCHISE]

the reason the lakers got to the line so many times against the jazz is because they attacked the basket and jazz never gave up layups...but if the lakers are taking jumpers all day long why would they even call a foul...

[DBurks2818]

Welcome to the world of the '06 Heat team. Played against tougher defensive competition than their finals counterpart (Nets/Bulls/Pistons all 10 that year, Cavs/Pistons both top 10 this year) except for one opponent (the Spurs for both the Mavs back then and the Lakers now). Counted out against Detroit before the series by a few "analysts." Aside from team make-up, the similarities are there.

[tlee324]

Does anyone know what Phil Jackson said following game 6 of the Lakers-Kings series? Does he actually complain when his teams are getting the calls or is he just biased? And I'm really not surprised at the media's reaction. Many of them thought the Lakers would have an easy time so they have to find some excuse.

Great point... I don't know the numbers, but just watching that series... it was the worst officiated series I ever saw, by a MILE. It just seemed LA got every single call.