I found this to be rather interesting being that Kobe is "supposed" to be this new "team" player this year......when everything was going good I guess. This is from Curt Schillings blog from last nights game where he had prime seats of course and was able to overhear the Kobster all game.....He also had thoughts on KG.
Red Sox starting pitcher Curt Schilling, who watched last night's Game 2 from courtside seats at the Garden, today blogged some interesting thoughts on Kobe Bryant and Kevin Garnett.
"Who doesn't know Kobe Bryant right?," asks Schilling. "I only know what I have heard, starting awhile back with the entire Shaq debacle. I don't really have an opinion one way or the other on or about him other than to know that people feel he might be one of the 4-5 greatest players to ever lace it up. What I do know is what I got to see up close and hear, was unexpected. From the first tip until about 4 minutes left in the game I saw and heard this guy bitch at his teammates. Every TO he came to the bench pissed, and a few of them he went to other guys and yelled about something they weren't doing, or something they did wrong. No dialog about 'hey let's go, let's get after it' or whatever. He spent the better part of 3.5 quarters pissed off and ranting at the non-execution or lack of, of his team. Then when they made what almost was a historic run in the 4th, during a TO, he got down on the floor and basically said 'Let's f'ing go, right now, right here' or something to that affect.
Kobe Bryant during Game 2. Reuters photo
"I am not making this observation in a good or bad way, I have no idea how the guys in the NBA play or do things like this, but I thought it was a fascinating bit of insight for me to watch someone in another sport who is in the position of a team leader and how he interacted with his team and teammates. Watching the other 11 guys, every time out it was high fives and 'Hey nice work, let's get after it' or something to that affect. He walked off the floor, obligatory skin contact on the high five, and sat on the bench stone faced or pissed off, the whole game. Just weird to see another sport and how it all works. I would assume that's his style and how he plays and what works for him because when I saw the leader board for scoring in the post season his name sat up top at 31+ a game, can't argue with that. But as a fan I was watching the whole thing, Kobe, his teammates and then the after effects of conversations. He'd yell at someone, make a point, or send a message, turn and walk away, and more than once the person on the other end would roll eyes or give a 'whatever dude' look."
Observing the Celtics' efforts, Schilling was clearly impressed with Kevin Garnett and how he handles himself on the court. "His eyes are on the floor, or the ball, all game," writes Schilling. "What an incredible pleasure it is to watch and be a fan of. I am blown away in that he came out of high school, something that can be a huge disadvantage, and has ALWAYS maintained who he was purported to be ...
"Last night KG goes to the line, Lamar Odom (who I became a fan of last night) is saying 'Hey KG why don't you help on the ball down here?' Pointing to the paint, and I am guess referencing the fact that KG wasn't down in the paint mixing it up. He says it again, loudly, KG doesn't even acknowledge him, and sinks both. Impressive, total focus."
So much for Kobe....the "team" player
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I think Schilling is just remarking on the contrast in styles, right?
Kobe was obviously being a good on-court teammate until the fourth quarter, when he put forth the obligatory and quite necessary personal show of offensive talent.
He's not a naturally charismatic leader figure the way that some guys are.
But let's not forget, Kobe's not doing anything Jordan didn't do... MJ was acerbic, angry, confrontational and outright rude to his teammates when they weren't playing well.
And he won 6 titles, right? Kobe sounds and acts almost exactly like Jordan at a similar age, when he still hadn't totally bought into the triangle and all that. Kobe's 29, turning 30 in August. Jordan didn't fully buy into the triangle until the second three-peat, at which point he was somewhat mellowed personally (but not THAT much).
There are, of course, better leadership styles but Jordan had Pippen and Phil Jackson, whereas Kobe just has Phil. Neither Odom nor Gasol has the personality required to really mediate things between Kobe and his teammates, so it just seems more overaggressive and antagonistic on Kobe's part when it really isn't. He's a fierce competitor, it happens.
Kobe was obviously being a good on-court teammate until the fourth quarter, when he put forth the obligatory and quite necessary personal show of offensive talent.
He's not a naturally charismatic leader figure the way that some guys are.
But let's not forget, Kobe's not doing anything Jordan didn't do... MJ was acerbic, angry, confrontational and outright rude to his teammates when they weren't playing well.
And he won 6 titles, right? Kobe sounds and acts almost exactly like Jordan at a similar age, when he still hadn't totally bought into the triangle and all that. Kobe's 29, turning 30 in August. Jordan didn't fully buy into the triangle until the second three-peat, at which point he was somewhat mellowed personally (but not THAT much).
There are, of course, better leadership styles but Jordan had Pippen and Phil Jackson, whereas Kobe just has Phil. Neither Odom nor Gasol has the personality required to really mediate things between Kobe and his teammates, so it just seems more overaggressive and antagonistic on Kobe's part when it really isn't. He's a fierce competitor, it happens.
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hermes wrote:how does being pissed that his team is playing so bad make him a bad team player?
There is a difference between trying to fire up guys at critical junctures and rolling your eyes and pouting THE WHOLE GAME, which is what Kobe did. Going back to Antoine's days here, the leadership is just different. Maybe Kobe being a belligerent prima-donna works for the Lakers, but that **** don't fly here in Beantown.
It's still 17 to 11!!!!
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This is not how you motivate your team. If I recall, last year he did the same thing....even called out a few guys personally and told management they were idiots for wanting to keep them, and this summer when there were options as far as getting rid of teammates to bring new ones in, he whined and moaned about how he has no team around him. That's why he wanted out.
Point is, Kobe is a spoiled brat of a ball player. As great as he is, he will NEVER be another Michael Jordan. His arrogance is nauseating, and his aire of confidence is only about HIM. He gets his other players involved so that the media can talk about 'good' Kobe, but trust me, if he could take every shot every time down the floor, he would without even thinking twice. He is the only "superstar" yet in these playoffs to not give Boston their due defensively, like he's above that and its just him missing shots. BS (if I could make these letters bigger I would but I am responding in quick reply). Lebron frightened me MUCH more because he is a BEAST. If his jumper isn't falling, believe you me he WILL get to the basket. No such thing for Kobe. He is not physically imposing enough to impose his will going to the hole. He will shoot jumper after jumper and if they are not falling, he gets upset at his teammates......that some punk s*** right there, I dont care what anyone says
Point is, Kobe is a spoiled brat of a ball player. As great as he is, he will NEVER be another Michael Jordan. His arrogance is nauseating, and his aire of confidence is only about HIM. He gets his other players involved so that the media can talk about 'good' Kobe, but trust me, if he could take every shot every time down the floor, he would without even thinking twice. He is the only "superstar" yet in these playoffs to not give Boston their due defensively, like he's above that and its just him missing shots. BS (if I could make these letters bigger I would but I am responding in quick reply). Lebron frightened me MUCH more because he is a BEAST. If his jumper isn't falling, believe you me he WILL get to the basket. No such thing for Kobe. He is not physically imposing enough to impose his will going to the hole. He will shoot jumper after jumper and if they are not falling, he gets upset at his teammates......that some punk s*** right there, I dont care what anyone says
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Ant wrote:Kobe is one of the biggest jerks in Basketball history. Great player, but total brown toilet paper of a person.
The Jordan comparisons are the worst. There is only one MJ. Kobe isn't even a top 4 Laker of all time, much less comparable to Jordan.
Maybe you haven't read the Jordan Quotes, he's made so many quotes that would be deadly frowned upon in the media scrutiny today, he has punched his teammates and asked they be traded, the list goes on!
To say Kobe is one of the biggest jerks in B-Ball history Is STUPID and that's an understatement.
Surprised you let the hatred get to you by using the media hate of Kobe.
And what a surprise Kurt Schilling has to criticize another player, one that he has never played with/against, he has probably never even met Kobe and he has these opinions. Maybe Kobe wanted his teammates to become a hard (show some anger), play with some fire, you know it's a problem when you let Leon Powe get 21 points and get a coast to coast dunk with no one touching you.
And when Kobe was saying Bleep Bleep get your butts and play hard bleep bleep in the huddle, that made him a bad leader in the 4th as well right?
Anyways, Kurt Schilling is a know hater and know for publicizing his opinions, here is one:
"Curt Schilling went off on Barry Bonds, accusing him of adultery, steroid use, human trafficking, tax evasion, and of generally being a terrible human being."
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shobe_81 wrote:"Curt Schilling went off on Barry Bonds, accusing him of adultery, steroid use, human trafficking, tax evasion, and of generally being a terrible human being."
Yeah, curt schilling is a loudmouth. I compare him to the one guy in the mob who thinks his **** doesn't stink because he doesn't cheat on his wife with a Goomah.
But. Barry Bonds is a terrible person, and all those things are true. So he was right in that case.
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I don't have a problem with Kobe holding teamates accountable, or expressing frustration on the court. The problem is that the rest of the world shouldn't know it. Tear them up in the locker room not in front of the $1000 seats.
A snapshot of this was the Vujacic 3pt attmept that got blocked. Once the play ends Kobe stomps his feat and reacts like he got told he can't have a cookie. What message is trying to send Vujacic? Not to shoot that shot, only he can shoot? The kid had just made 2 3's in a row. Kobe needs this kid to make shots he should be trying to pump him up and not make him look a fool for not waiting for Kobe the Great to get open.
It would be one thing if he was getting in Pau or Lamar's face but his act comes off like his teamate's aren't worthy of him and frankly that is probably because he has told them and the world as much.
A snapshot of this was the Vujacic 3pt attmept that got blocked. Once the play ends Kobe stomps his feat and reacts like he got told he can't have a cookie. What message is trying to send Vujacic? Not to shoot that shot, only he can shoot? The kid had just made 2 3's in a row. Kobe needs this kid to make shots he should be trying to pump him up and not make him look a fool for not waiting for Kobe the Great to get open.
It would be one thing if he was getting in Pau or Lamar's face but his act comes off like his teamate's aren't worthy of him and frankly that is probably because he has told them and the world as much.
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sully00 wrote:I don't have a problem with Kobe holding teamates accountable, or expressing frustration on the court. The problem is that the rest of the world shouldn't know it. Tear them up in the locker room not in front of the $1000 seats.
A snapshot of this was the Vujacic 3pt attmept that got blocked. Once the play ends Kobe stomps his feat and reacts like he got told he can't have a cookie. What message is trying to send Vujacic? Not to shoot that shot, only he can shoot? The kid had just made 2 3's in a row. Kobe needs this kid to make shots he should be trying to pump him up and not make him look a fool for not waiting for Kobe the Great to get open.
It would be one thing if he was getting in Pau or Lamar's face but his act comes off like his teamate's aren't worthy of him and frankly that is probably because he has told them and the world as much.
Honestly you're nitpicking the slightest detail, I didn't even see Kobe stomp his feet
He was probably angry because he didn't receive the ball after inbounding it, seriously how do you not get the ball to Kobe when you're down 4 and he has an ability to pull up on anyone and hit a 3???? Kobe was just upset that Radman didn't give him the ball!
This is like BringThePain in general board complaining Kobe not attempting the 3 with 2 people on him and instead passing it to the open Fisher!
And when was he tearing them up on the bench? I don't know why, but have people played basketball? If you're the leader, you get in your teammates face and let them know that you expect excellence, the way the Lakers played throughout, Kobe had every right to be upset.
It's like asking KG to not show intensity because it could discourage his teammates
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shobe_81 wrote:-= original quote snipped =-
Honestly you're nitpicking the slightest detail, I didn't even see Kobe stomp his feet
He was probably angry because he didn't receive the ball after inbounding it, seriously how do you not get the ball to Kobe when you're down 4 and he has an ability to pull up on anyone and hit a 3???? Kobe was just upset that Radman didn't give him the ball!
This is like BringThePain in general board complaining Kobe not attempting the 3 with 2 people on him and instead passing it to the open Fisher!
And when was he tearing them up on the bench? I don't know why, but have people played basketball? If you're the leader, you get in your teammates face and let them know that you expect excellence, the way the Lakers played throughout, Kobe had every right to be upset.
It's like asking KG to not show intensity because it could discourage his teammates :roll:
But KG doesn't show intensity by yelling at or dissing his teammates.
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What can you say it is perception. It is just hard for Celtic fans to appreciate Kobe's leadership when we have watched how KG and Co. stand up on the bench and route the second unit on in 20 point blow outs, constantly in their ear motivating them and pumping them up until they turned what many thought would be the "worst bench in the NBA" into the unit that just grabbed the Lakers by the hair and shoved their face in it.
Just saying...
Just saying...