Pacers interested in a non-JO draft day trade?

IndieRuso420 · Post #1 » by **IndieRuso420** » Mon Jun 9, 2008 7:03 pm

If someone were to fall to #11 like Westbrook or B. Lopez it would probably stop this deal from happening, because Pacers would take them. However, I don't anticipate that.

If the draft goes as expected, the BPA at #11 will most likely be Augustin, Alexander, Arthur, Jordan, Speights, or Budinger.

I think POR is very interested in Joe Alexander, but I don't think he last to #13. POR has expressed interest in packaging Jack with the #13 to move up. So I suggested a trade to POR fans, that they seem fairly interested in. I want to post this here to.

Diogu
#11 (Alexander)

FOR

Jack
#13 (Augustin/BPA)
#36 (C. Lee/BPA)

Pacer fans, what do you think about swapping Jack for Diogu & getting #36 pick for only moving down a few spots?

Post #2 » by **APerna** » Mon Jun 9, 2008 7:09 pm

From what I've heard, they are interested in any kind of deals. They definitely don't have to involve Jermaine...

Indydave · Post #3 » by **Indydave** » Mon Jun 9, 2008 7:12 pm

This sounds good to me-- or at least I'd strongly consider it for sure.

I have a feeling that we'll end up drafting Alexander anyways even though we don't need another SF-- but I'm not against drafting him, he could create some very serious mismatches on the court with his freakish strength and speed.

blaha112 · Post #4 » by **blaha112** » Mon Jun 9, 2008 7:36 pm

remember that sacremento has pick 12. they are very interested in the same players we are. dj won't last past sacremento... something to think about!

Post #5 » by **count55** » Mon Jun 9, 2008 7:41 pm

Of course, if we got Jack, we wouldn't have to zone in on Augustin.

I like the deal, but does Diogu have any value whatsoever?

IndieRuso420 · Post #6 » by **IndieRuso420** » Mon Jun 9, 2008 7:54 pm

count55 wrote:Of course, if we got Jack, we wouldn't have to zone in on Augustin.

I like the deal, but does Diogu have any value whatsoever?

He's got enough value to make this deal work according to POR fans.

Post #7 » by **APerna** » Mon Jun 9, 2008 7:59 pm

I don't know that Jack is a solution at point guard. He looked pretty bad at times this season.

IndieRuso420 · Post #8 » by **IndieRuso420** » Mon Jun 9, 2008 8:04 pm

PacerPerspective wrote:I don't know that Jack is a solution at point guard. He looked pretty bad at times this season.

I agree, not the greatest of options, he has TO problems. However, to me Jack is an upgrade over Tinsley (because he is never healthy) and Diener. I also would take Jack over Augustin because Augustin is a rookie and has size issues.

Plus, Jack has more value than Diogu, and Pacers still get to pick at #13 & #36. Yeah, Jack isn't the greatest option, but I think this trade improves the Pacers.

Bucky O'Hare · Post #9 » by **Bucky O'Hare** » Mon Jun 9, 2008 8:06 pm

I'd have to wait and see what happens on draft day to know weather I'd do this or not. If someone like Gordon or Love slips and is available at #11, then no, but if not, I'd definitely consider it.

Post #10 » by **Scoot McGroot** » Mon Jun 9, 2008 8:57 pm

blaha112 wrote:remember that sacremento has pick 12. they are very interested in the same players we are. dj won't last past sacremento... something to think about!

Absolutely. If we don't pick Joe Alexander, he's essentially guaranteed to last to #13 and Portland. Sacramento isn't going to take another SF when they are planning on Ron Artest returning, and they already have John Salmons and Francisco Garcia ready to step up into the starting role there at SF. They're looking for a young PG, much like we are.

However, if we could get a deal of Jarret Jack, the #13 and an early second rounder for Diogu and our #11, that's almost a no-brainer that we have to accept.

Diogu for Jack is relatively even, and only trading down two spots to pick up an early second rounder (read: very cheap salary on a non-guaranteed contract that could fill out our roster) is a pretty decent deal, unless we are completely sold on someone at #11 that Sacramento would pick at #12.

joew8302 · Post #11 » by **joew8302** » Mon Jun 9, 2008 10:02 pm

If Jordan/McGee/Alexander or Augustine were the best available at 11 I don't see why Indiana wouldn't at least want to attempt to trade down.

massey1992 · Post #12 » by **massey1992** » Mon Jun 9, 2008 10:45 pm

This would work.

cdash · Post #13 » by **cdash** » Mon Jun 9, 2008 11:02 pm

I dont think there is any scenario in which JaVale McGee or Joe Alexander is the best available player at #11. Bust and bust if you ask me.

Bucky O'Hare · Post #14 » by **Bucky O'Hare** » Tue Jun 10, 2008 12:25 am

McGee has the makings of a bust, but I don't see it in Alexander. He probably has a stigma because he's white, but he also measured out as the best athlete in the draft class and has a lot of skills to go with it, as well as an alleged "maniacal" work ethic. I'd love to have him as a PF in our small-ball scheme.

basketballwacko2 · Post #15 » by **basketballwacko2** » Tue Jun 10, 2008 1:00 am

Indydave wrote:This sounds good to me-- or at least I'd strongly consider it for sure.

I have a feeling that we'll end up drafting Alexander anyways even though we don't need another SF-- but I'm not against drafting him, he could create some very serious mismatches on the court with his freakish strength and speed.

So are we the Atlanta Hawks of SFs? Or what? :clap:

cdash · Post #16 » by **cdash** » Tue Jun 10, 2008 1:05 am

The top athlete doesnt mean a whole lot to me. After all, wasnt DJ Strawberry the top athlete last year, and David Noel the year before? Durant was 78th out of 80 players last year. Alexander didnt wow me at West Virginia, he doesnt strike me as the type that can play the power forward full time in the NBA, and his basketball decision making and shooting doesnt level out with his freakish athleticism.

CableKC · Post #17 » by **CableKC** » Tue Jun 10, 2008 3:49 am

IndieRuso420 wrote:-= original quote snipped =-
I agree, not the greatest of options, he has TO problems. However, to me Jack is an upgrade over Tinsley (because he is never healthy) and Diener.

I understand getting either Augustin or Jack...but not both. Diener may not be the best Starting PG...but he is already on the books and should be adequate as our backup PG given the way that we play.

IndieRuso420 wrote:-= original quote snipped =-I also would take Jack over Augustin because Augustin is a rookie and has size issues.

Plus, Jack has more value than Diogu, and Pacers still get to pick at #13 & #36. Yeah, Jack isn't the greatest option, but I think this trade improves the Pacers.

I am guessing in the long run.....Augustin will likely be better.....but if size is a concern....then why even bother with Augustin over Jack? It's not like Augustin is going to grow a few inches.

If we get Jack....I would much rather spend the pick on some Frontcourt PF/C depth rather then add yet another PG to our rotation and then draft a Guard in the 2nd round.

Given the relatively high value of the early 2nd round picks....I would even consider including the 41st pick in exchange for the 36th pick.

As for Ike....I don't think that he would fit in the Blazers up-tempo ball-movement offense.

Wizop · Post #18 » by **Wizop** » Thu Jun 12, 2008 3:10 am

only way I see us trading down is if we think Lawson is the best option.

IndieRuso420 · Post #19 » by **IndieRuso420** » Fri Jun 27, 2008 1:20 am

SOMEONE GIVE ME PROPS BECUASE I CALLED THIS WEEKS EARLY!!

Post #20 » by **Scoot McGroot** » Fri Jun 27, 2008 3:49 am

IndieRuso420 wrote:SOMEONE GIVE ME PROPS BECUASE I CALLED THIS WEEKS EARLY!!

You had the theory, almost. The #36 would've been huge for us. However, you whiffed pretty big on the player's involved.

It was decently close though. You had the theory down, almost.