Lakers whining and crying about foul calls. Why?

[Celtsfan1980]

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C's fans in this thread are making themsleves look just as bad as some Lakers fans who argued Fish didnt foul foul Barry at the end of game 4. Its laughable all those adults lying thru their teeth just cos its their fav teams. Lets see how the C's fans gonna act when the Lakers gonna start geting all the calls in LA . Nice job Stren

I have no problem admitting that the Celtics get away with calls. There were some calls that the Lakers got away with(the Odom over Brown's back was about as obvious as any last night) and obviously a few Boston got away with. There were also multiple instances of Lakers players complaining which could have been technicals. The problem is it's hard to tell whether a play is called well if there's no replay and that was the case many times yesterday. Overall, I thought there were bad calls to both teams that were pretty much split. I try to be honest so I'm not making myself look bad. Show some of the replays where you can see the play clearly and then we can talk.

[TDG26]

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Finally. A voice of reason. Come on my fellow laker fans we have to admit when we were licked. The Boston Celtics are clearly, CLEARLY, the superior team. Honestly now, lets look back at the game, yeah we didn't get free throws yeah some guy whose name I cant remember got more foul shots than our entire team but we don't have much right to complain, nay we have NO right to complain. The celtics were almost robbed of their victory by the blatant bias of the refs.
And yes, you may post all the plays you want, but like my friend greenwithenvy says, its just one play. Yeah you guys keep posting play after play but whatever, individually theyre all still one play. We really do need to get over ourselves because you know what? For every 19 plays you can post where laker fans got screwed i can post 2 celtic plays where they got screwed. So lets just calm down.

My post has nothing to do with who the better team is. For some reason some people dont believe we got fouled, they believe we didnt attack the paint enough, they believe the celtics defense was what held us to 10 FTs not the refs. Sure the celtics did a good job keeping us out of the paint we still should have had atleast 20 FTs total.

[indilakeshow]

sorry, perhaps i wasn't blatant enough... green font next time.

[Celtsfan1980]

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The first play no matter how light he was touched, it was on his shooting arm thats a foul no matter how light you touch them. the 2nd clip is harder to see so you have to watch it multiple times. But he gets fouled up top by KG and gets kicked in the legs. Anyway im just showing stuff that i could get my hands off because some1 compiled these plays. Mind you these plays were compiled as a laker highlight aspect not as fouls that didnt get called. So I cant exactly go through the entire game and pick out the most obvious stuff.

I'm sorry, but I've seen players get tapped many, many, many times in the sport and no foul is called. I've even seen people use the term "hacked". It wasn't a foul and I stand by that.

[TDG26]

Since some people wanted to see the play where kobe gets a T.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AUgcCOiL07A

This looks like a clean defensive play.




this is the turiaf block.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IyUSgBRJ_Yo

Like i said didnt make contact till after the ball was released, didnt interrupt the follow Through and Powe initiated the contact with his off hand.

[TDG26]

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I'm sorry, but I've seen players get tapped many, many, many times in the sport and no foul is called. I've even seen people use the term "hacked". It wasn't a foul and I stand by that.

LOL ok and Radmanovic didn't travel. My reasoning I saw timmy get away with it so it must be legit.

[Celtsfan1980]

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ALso the ronny turiaf play where he blocked a shot. He didnt foul until after the ball was released, Did not interrupt the follow through, AND the contact was initiated by the celtic player. Let me get that clip on you tube to show you.

From what I remember, Turiaf had a clean block but fell on the Celtic afterwards. The contact was initiated by Turiaf. That is a foul.

[TDG26]

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From what I remember, Turiaf had a clean block but fell on the Celtic afterwards. The contact was initiated by Turiaf. That is a foul.

click the youtube link and watch the last replay as powe uses his offhand to push/protect.

[Celtsfan1980]

Since some people wanted to see the play where kobe gets a T.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AUgcCOiL07A

This looks like a clean defensive play.




this is the turiaf block.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IyUSgBRJ_Yo

Like i said didnt make contact till after the ball was released, didnt interrupt the follow Through and Powe initiated the contact with his off hand.

LOL That is a foul on Turiaf. Powe was trying to make the basket and then Turiaf knocked him down. I agree that it was after the shot, but that is certainly a foul.

[TDG26]

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LOL That is a foul on Turiaf. Powe was trying to make the basket and then Turiaf knocked him down. I agree that it was after the shot, but that is certainly a foul.

If Powe didnt use his off arm there would be no contact.

[Celtsfan1980]

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If Powe didnt use his off arm there would be no contact.

Where do you expect him to put his arm then? It looked like his body was being touched as well, but it'd be nice to see a better replay. It definitely is a foul from what they showed.

[KyleCleric]

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Where do you expect him to put his arm then? It looked like his body was being touched as well, but it'd be nice to see a better replay. It definitely is a foul from what they showed.

it's hard to tell where the first contact is, but the block and body contact appear to be virtually at the same time. Regardless, Turiaf bowled him over. That's always a foul.

[Celtsfan1980]

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LOL ok and Radmanovic didn't travel. My reasoning I saw timmy get away with it so it must be legit.

There's far more contact when players are going for rebounds than what was made there. There was no foul and there's no way I'll be influenced otherwise. As I've said before, the whining that Lakers players were doing does not help your team. The Lakers are their own worst enemy in that way. As expected, there are complaints and people aren't backing it up with specific calls or they are claiming calls that were made correctly.

[CITYOFANGELSX3]

The celtics got some nice home cooking calls from the refs. Its happend a lot these playoffs. The refs favor the home team a lot. So its not a total shock that this happend. Now going back to LA. I expect the refs to do "game 6 2002 wcf" all over again for 3 games straight.

[WadeKnicks2010]

The refs sucked and favored the Celts but the Celtics also outplayed the Lakers badly. The lakers defense sucked last night, Phil Jackson looked very overrated out there, and the celtics did their job on defense correctly.

[TDG26]

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Where do you expect him to put his arm then? It looked like his body was being touched as well, but it'd be nice to see a better replay. It definitely is a foul from what they showed.

Usually when they have their arm out like that and moving towards the defensive player they are trying to push the defenders arm away to prevent a block or leave their arm up their so they have to go through the off arm. But powe did it way late he initiated contact, that might actually be a offensive foul but the bottom line is thats a no call. Also since he MAY have made contact on the body that was after the shot. To get a foul call after the shot it has to be very hard foul. That amount of contact shouldnt be called IF its after the shot was released.

[TDG26]

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There's far more contact when players are going for rebounds than what was made there. There was no foul and there's no way I'll be influenced otherwise. As I've said before, the whining that Lakers players were doing does not help your team. The Lakers are their own worst enemy in that way. As expected, there are complaints and people aren't backing it up with specific calls or they are claiming calls that were made correctly.

rebounding=/=shooting

If you dont know the difference between contact when going for a rebound and contact on someones shooting hand in the act of shooting then maybe you shouldn't be discussing this subject.

[Celtsfan1980]

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Usually when they have their arm out like that and moving towards the defensive player they are trying to push the defenders arm away to prevent a block or leave their arm up their so they have to go through the off arm. But powe did it way late he initiated contact, that might actually be a offensive foul but the bottom line is thats a no call. Also since he MAY have made contact on the body that was after the shot. To get a foul call after the shot it has to be very hard foul. That amount of contact shouldnt be called IF its after the shot was released.

Not even the announcers were saying much. That play is hardly being mentioned at all even by Lakers fans, so it doesn't appear too many people feel the way you do.

[Celtsfan1980]

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rebounding=/=shooting

If you dont know the difference between contact when going for a rebound and contact on someones shooting hand in the act of shooting then maybe you shouldn't be discussing this subject.

Obviously I know the difference. My point was that it was so light it was basically a tap and those aren't fouls.

[celticfan42487]

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I understand that after its released it can go 50/50 its not exactly a no call As long as they dont interrupt the follow through. The pau gasol play KG interupted the follow through and fouled him on his right hand before the ball was released. The vladimir play was a foul no matter how you look at it AND potentially a dirty play if you look at how KG kicked his foot out. Accident? maybe. The kobe bryant play is also a foul Prolly not a and1 if they actually called it but still a foul.


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ALso the ronny turiaf play where he blocked a shot. He didnt foul until after the ball was released, Did not interrupt the follow through, AND the contact was initiated by the celtic player. Let me get that clip on you tube to show you.

first clip, the ball was already released when I looked at the play and the touch on the opposite arm was after the shot. I don't think you're going to see that called a foul very often because that happens after most plays.

For you edit play your refering to I agree 100%. I don't care why that rules in there the body motion AFTER the shot has nothing to do with the shot and that should have been called a clean block by Turiaf. Although the rules say diffrently that was annoying.

As for the second clip, looked like Walton push around in the box and got a rebound and put it back up, was there contact? Yes but from both players, nice heart by Walton but unless he misses AND falls down i don't think there is ever going to be call in that situation. There is some leway fighting for rebounds between players and players on BOTH teams have equal right to that position.

The third clip I flat out missed it, I was looking at Kobe when he took the shot not when he used the pick. I can't see it well from that clip but it looks like Pierce put his hand on Kobe's arm. The refs can call that, and sometimes do especially when Kobe embellishes hand movement like that. LA should get that call at home.