J.Kim wrote:This is just finding something to bash on about Vick? I've been watching Vick play for his NFL Career, for at least a couple of games a season.
Exactly, a couple games a SEASON. The past 3 years that he started have NOTHING to do with THIS PAST season. He passed SIGNIFICANTLY more accurate THIS PAST season.
He has not progressed as a Passser at all throughout that time. You would think that, in any offense, surrounded by any talent, that a good football player would be able to evolve in some way. But Michael Vick has not.
Actually THIS PAST season he did. You only saw a "couple" of games which might be true, so you didn't see enough to realize. That's the thing, other QB's make TONS of bad throws too, but when Vick makes one, it's just "Oh Vick made another bad throw."
Once again, have you thought about WHY those receivers might be dropping so many balls?
If the ball hits you in the chest, or on both hands, you have to catch the ball, no excuses. I can't believe you are making excuses for our receivers, ESPECIALLY since you don't even know enough about the situation to have a legit argument.
Play 3: (Can't tell who the player is) Isn't exactly the easiest reception in the world. Ball was out in front of him, yes, but the corner was pulling him back. Still, no fault on Vick, decently placed ball.
It was Michael Jenkins, and if you actually SAW the game, it was a greatly placed ball. They showed the replay like 5 times and gave Jenkins HELL, and it was well deserved. You can't really tell from the blur on that clip, but it was RIGHT in his hands. On the replays during the game they showed it from about 3 angles. That was also a 3rd down, so we had to punt instead of having a 1st.
BTW, at some point, your receivers HAVE to make plays. That wasn't even a tough play to make. When your receivers can't catch anything that's not in their chest (and even THAT'S questionable with our receivers), that's the DEFINITION of having horrible receivers. And the fact is, Vick NEVER gets bailed out by his receivers, as pretty much every other QB in the NFL does, more than a few times a game.
Play 4: Crumpler had to jump and stretch out his hands on that one. Vick clearly overthrew to him, and Crumpler had to jump and catch it. The angle shows it could have been thrown right in between the numbers.
Again, you can't really see it that well on the youtube, but it was a VERY catchable ball, especially for Crumpler. If a receiver/TE on your team dropped that ball, you would put the blame on that receiver. BTW the announcers gave him hell.
Play 5: Roddy White dropped it. No comments here.
That crap happened EVERY game.
Play 6: Roddy White didn't come back to the line, Cornerback makes the play. (Though, it cannot be seen whether the pass was thrown mid-route, or right when he makes the curl)
Oh please, he clearly stood in the same spot about 8 yards PAST the 1st down marker and LET the CB come up and bat the ball away, that was CLEARLY Roddy's fault. Again, you're making excuses for our poor WRs to justify your opinion on Vick. Had you seen how bad Roddy and Jenkins choked all season and the crap they pulled on the field, you would not put ONE BIT of the blame from those kind of plays on Vick.
Please don't forget that ALL of those passes in that video were all in ONE game. This crap happened ALL season long.
Crumpler does have a problem catching passes. Crumpler had a Catch rate of 54%, and according to FO, he usually has a mid-50% catch rate.
Chad Johnson is at 57%. Torry Holt is at 52%. Roy Williams is at 54%. Randy Moss is at 43%. Burress is at 52%. TO is at 56% You saying they aren't good receivers?
But you are right, Crumpler did have more drops than usual last year, and some were rediculously bad. I'm just mad that I don't have video proof, or you'd be like OMG.
Brian Finneran didn't play last year.
EXACTLY! Finneran has NEVER had problems catching Vicks passes, he's been Vicks goto wide receiver EVERY year. Brian Finneran! When he's your best receiver, something is clearly wrong.
I don't get the Petrino, Horn relation that you're trying to make here. How would Horn's drop in catch rate have anything to do with the play calling of Petrino?
I wasn't relating the 2. They were merely 2 seperate statements that must have seemed to be together.
I was just saying that I didn't like the Petrino hiring for the simple fact that the success rate for college-to-NFL coaches is EXTREMELY low. But that doesn't matter at all, since everyone will blame Vick if we don't win.
You have to understand, I don't claim that Vick is a great passer by any means, but he was DEFINITELY much improved THIS PAST SEASON than you have "seen" or are giving him credit for. And adding on his rushing, he was definitely a top 10-12 overall quarterback this past season. I do agree, however, that he still needs to improve. But the West-Coast offense wasn't fit for him, and Greg Knapp doesn't allow his QBs to audible, that's how bad it is.
Not to mention Vick had his BEST passing season under Dan Reeves, and even did great after coming back in 2003 after the broken leg injury. It's no coincidence that he regressed after being transformed into a west coast QB. Vick is much better at a vertical passing game than a West coast passing game (especially since our receivers can't even catch half of the short passes anyway).