The Draft

Post #1 » by **ajaX82** » Tue Apr 3, 2007 4:29 am

Simply, who do we draft at #2. CJ? Quinn? Thomas? Trade down?

My vote is Thomas personally.

OAKTREE NYK1 · Post #2 » by **OAKTREE NYK1** » Tue Apr 3, 2007 2:14 pm

I think you guys will get one of the Tampa Bay Bucs extra second rounders with a trade down for them to take Johnson. Then Millen will have his choice of Quinn or Thomas. The Browns will make the decision for him.

GJense4181 · Post #3 » by **GJense4181** » Tue Apr 3, 2007 4:44 pm

Let's go through a couple scenarios.
Say we trade down with teams interested in Calvin Johnson. How far would Joe Thomas slide?
Or the opposite. If we give up the pick for a team interested in Thomas, how far would CJ slide?

PistonFan4Life · Post #4 » by **PistonFan4Life** » Tue Apr 3, 2007 9:13 pm

GJense4181 wrote:Let's go through a couple scenarios.
Say we trade down with teams interested in Calvin Johnson. How far would Joe Thomas slide?
Or the opposite. If we give up the pick for a team interested in Thomas, how far would CJ slide?

If we trade down we won't be drafting Thomas or CJ most likely.

Scenario 1:
As of right now the two scenarios look this way:
We trade down to the 4th spot so TB can select CJ with the #2 and Cleveland will take Thomas with the #3 pick.

Scenario 2:
We trade down to Arizona's spot at #5 so they can move up and grab Thomas at #2 spot, leaving Peterson as possibly the main target for the Browns at #3, CJ to the Bucs at #4 which confuses me as to why there is talks of them moving up when I think they'll be able to get him there regardless. Either way with these scenarios going down I would think we would draft DE Gaines Adams at this point.

mesc · Post #5 » by **mesc** » Wed Apr 4, 2007 4:31 pm

And what if they don't trade down? They seem to have shored up the offensive line somewhat - but we thought that last year too.

I honestly don't know too much about Joe Thomas other than all the hype that's been surrounding him since the offseason began, but is he really worth taking with the 2nd pick in the draft when the Lions already have so much money invested in Backus and having just traded for George Foster?

Meh, I love the thought of starting at the line but I just wish there wasn't already so much money invested in a mediocre line to begin with.

Post #6 » by **ajaX82** » Wed Apr 4, 2007 6:10 pm

mesc wrote:And what if they don't trade down? They seem to have shored up the offensive line somewhat - but we thought that last year too.

I honestly don't know too much about Joe Thomas other than all the hype that's been surrounding him since the offseason began, but is he really worth taking with the 2nd pick in the draft when the Lions already have so much money invested in Backus and having just traded for George Foster?

Meh, I love the thought of starting at the line but I just wish there wasn't already so much money invested in a mediocre line to begin with.

Im so iffy on George Foster. We traded Bly for Bell, Foster and a draft pick. Bell was the big part of that. Do you think Denver just decided to toss in a franchise tackle for kicks? I think i will prolly go ask the Denver board on their thoughts.

Thomas is worth it if he everything he is hyped to be. If he becomes a franchise LT, than he is more than worth it. Hell, if he just becomes a very good starter ill be happy.

I think he will, i think he is the pick.

MoGrAdY · Post #7 » by **MoGrAdY** » Thu Apr 5, 2007 2:43 am

Trade down an draft Adams.

PistonFan4Life · Post #8 » by **PistonFan4Life** » Thu Apr 5, 2007 4:20 am

ajaX82 wrote:Im so iffy on George Foster. We traded Bly for Bell, Foster and a draft pick. Bell was the big part of that. Do you think Denver just decided to toss in a franchise tackle for kicks? I think i will prolly go ask the Denver board on their thoughts.

Thomas is worth it if he everything he is hyped to be. If he becomes a franchise LT, than he is more than worth it. Hell, if he just becomes a very good starter ill be happy.

I think he will, i think he is the pick.

I have to disagree with the logic here. I know the draft is always risky, but the reasoning for having top picks is to draft franchise players that can make a difference for your team to get turned in the right direction. If the Lions have any doubts about Joe Thomas being a franchise LT then they need to trade down. If we stay at #2 he has got to be the most logical choice even though I wouldn't mind drafting CJ personally. He's going to be a big playmaker in the NFL, I just don't know if Millen would go that route again making it 4 WRs in 5 years. Best case scenario for the Lions however is to move down and pick up more draft picks to add some depth to the defense, thats the area we are lacking in the most. We need to get someone like DE Gaines Adams (add some serious strenghth to the DL) or S LaRon Landry (start shoring up the DB group).

srt4b · Post #9 » by **srt4b** » Fri Apr 6, 2007 3:18 am

Millen should take a page from the Joe Dumars book.

F the draft, trade for veterans.

It works.

Shzm13 · Post #10 » by **Shzm13** » Fri Apr 6, 2007 5:07 pm

PistonFan4Life wrote:Scenario 2:
We trade down to Arizona's spot at #5 so they can move up and grab Thomas at #2 spot, leaving Peterson as possibly the main target for the Browns at #3, CJ to the Bucs at #4 which confuses me as to why there is talks of them moving up when I think they'll be able to get him there regardless. Either way with these scenarios going down I would think we would draft DE Gaines Adams at this point.

Wouldn't that be nice? Too bad the Cardinals aren't interested in trading up. In football, you only trade up for skill positions like WR, RB, QB...When was the last time someone traded up to get an OT? Lol :rofl:

PistonFan4Life · Post #11 » by **PistonFan4Life** » Fri Apr 6, 2007 8:10 pm

Shzm13 wrote:Wouldn't that be nice? Too bad the Cardinals aren't interested in trading up. In football, you only trade up for skill positions like WR, RB, QB...When was the last time someone traded up to get an OT? Lol

I wouldn't laugh it off that much, I don't know how likely it is to happen, but it had been rumored that the Cards might want to move up to get the stud OL. Its also the Cardinals biggest weakness other than their defense, if they wanted to move up it would merely be swapping picks and the Lions possibly getting a later round pick (3rd-5th round) either this year or maybe next. Just don't rule it out as a possibility whether its highly likely or not will remain to be seen. Detroits biggest issue is the depth that we have on the defensive sid, so dropping down a few spots and still getting a player that we have our eyes on and picking up extra draft picks is the best case scenario.

Shzm13 · Post #12 » by **Shzm13** » Fri Apr 6, 2007 9:11 pm

PistonFan4Life wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

I wouldn't laugh it off that much, I don't know how likely it is to happen, but it had been rumored that the Cards might want to move up to get the stud OL. Its also the Cardinals biggest weakness other than their defense, if they wanted to move up it would merely be swapping picks and the Lions possibly getting a later round pick (3rd-5th round) either this year or maybe next. Just don't rule it out as a possibility whether its highly likely or not will remain to be seen. Detroits biggest issue is the depth that we have on the defensive sid, so dropping down a few spots and still getting a player that we have our eyes on and picking up extra draft picks is the best case scenario.

Whisenhunt put those rumors to rest already, bud.

"We are going to stay put."

Go to azcentral.com and read the article.
There's also another article on azcardinals.com that says both Whisenhunt and Grimm are both satisfied with the current oline.

If Joe Thomas drops to us, great. If he doesn't, we've also got a need at DE and Gaines Adams or Jamaal Anderson would look mighty fine in a Cards uniform.

Post #13 » by **ajaX82** » Fri Apr 6, 2007 11:42 pm

Shzm13 wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

There's also another article on azcardinals.com that says both Whisenhunt and Grimm are both satisfied with the current oline.

Really? They are satisfied with their o-line? :roll:

PistonFan4Life · Post #14 » by **PistonFan4Life** » Sat Apr 7, 2007 12:16 am

Shzm13 wrote:Whisenhunt put those rumors to rest already, bud.

"We are going to stay put."

Go to azcentral.com and read the article.
There's also another article on azcardinals.com that says both Whisenhunt and Grimm are both satisfied with the current oline.

If Joe Thomas drops to us, great. If he doesn't, we've also got a need at DE and Gaines Adams or Jamaal Anderson would look mighty fine in a Cards uniform.

I can't wait to see how Leinart feels about that when he's got defenses on top of him as soon as he snaps the ball again. I'd already be looking forward to my free agency years down the road if they're content with not trying to fix that OL.

Shzm13 · Post #15 » by **Shzm13** » Sat Apr 7, 2007 1:13 am

PistonFan4Life wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

I can't wait to see how Leinart feels about that when he's got defenses on top of him as soon as he snaps the ball again. I'd already be looking forward to my free agency years down the road if they're content with not trying to fix that OL.

I misworded that. *They're satisfied with the current talent we've got. The only issue last year was LT and LG was a bit shaky. In the past two years, Mike Gandy has started 20 games at LT and done a better job than Leonard Davis ever did with the Cardinals, so he's already an upgrade at LT. So if we get Joe Thomas, that'll allow Gandy to solidify the LG position and our Oline problems will be solved. Many people tend to think our Olines was one of the worst last year (We were right in the middle of the league in sacks allowed in 06.) Bringing in Gandy, Al Johnson and Terrelle Smith will definitely help out our run blocking, and our pass block wasn't too bad last year, so we should be good to go.

OAKTREE NYK1 · Post #16 » by **OAKTREE NYK1** » Sat Apr 7, 2007 3:37 am

I really feel the Cards will try to jump up and nab Joe Thomas. If not Millen will stay put and grab Thomas which isnt a bad thing. Everybody plays a hard game of Poker this time of the year until teams are on the clock. Of Course Whisenhunt is going to say he doesnt want to trade up and hope Joe Thomas falls to them. Yeah Gandy could be servicable but he isnt no Joe Thomas . Cards really dont have to many extreme needs except for there offensive line in which i think is pretty atrocious and I dont care what the stats say. Record speaks for itself. If it cost the Cards there second and a 5th I say they make the deal to solidy there line for the next 10 years. Millen should then draft DE Gaines Adams in the 5 spot. and QB Drew Stanton and CB Marcus McCauley in the second.

PistonFan4Life · Post #17 » by **PistonFan4Life** » Sat Apr 7, 2007 3:52 am

OAKTREE NYK1 wrote:I really feel the Cards will try to jump up and nab Joe Thomas. If not Millen will stay put and grab Thomas which isnt a bad thing. Everybody plays a hard game of Poker this time of the year until teams are on the clock. Of Course Whisenhunt is going to say he doesnt want to trade up and hope Joe Thomas falls to them. Yeah Gandy could be servicable but he isnt no Joe Thomas. Cards really dont have to many extreme needs except for there offensive line in which i think is pretty atrocious and I dont care what the stats say. Record speaks for itself. If it cost the Cards there second and a 5th I say they make the deal to solidy there line for the next 10 years. Millen should then draft DE Gaines Adams in the 5 spot. and QB Drew Stanton and CB Marcus McCauley in the second.

Well this is the Lions board, but Arizona could allow Gandy to play LG along side of Thomas at LT if they are to move up and get him or if he happens to slide to them at the 5th spot.

As far as what Detroit could get if Arizona is to make a move and swap picks with us, I really don't see Arizona giving up the 5th pick overall plus their 2nd and 5th round picks unless Detroit throws something else in the deal. Don't misread as that I'm saying it couldn't happen, I just think as high as Arizona gets to pick thats giving up a lot for a non-skill (as most people are calling it) position player.

Shzm13 · Post #18 » by **Shzm13** » Sat Apr 7, 2007 7:13 am

PistonFan4Life wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

Well this is the Lions board, but Arizona could allow Gandy to play LG along side of Thomas at LT if they are to move up and get him or if he happens to slide to them at the 5th spot.

As far as what Detroit could get if Arizona is to make a move and swap picks with us, I really don't see Arizona giving up the 5th pick overall plus their 2nd and 5th round picks unless Detroit throws something else in the deal. Don't misread as that I'm saying it couldn't happen, I just think as high as Arizona gets to pick thats giving up a lot for a non-skill (as most people are calling it) position player.

Well said.

I can't remember the last time a team traded up to draft a non-skill position player.

That trade down would be a dream for the Lions, but it isn't nearly as appealing to the Cards.

Vinnie's Microwave · Post #19 » by **Vinnie's Microwave** » Mon Apr 9, 2007 1:37 am

If the Lions draft Thomas I would be pissed. I would love to have him, but the Lions have so many needs.

I am fan of trading down with TB and drafting Gaines Adams (Thomas will not be available). Drafting Joe Staley (hope he slips to 2nd pick in 2nd round) and take a OG in the third round. I am tired of hearing that our OL sucks. Do something about it Millen.

Post #20 » by **Icness** » Mon Apr 9, 2007 6:06 pm

Just a thought...

Is there even a little bias against Thomas because the last two prominent tackles form Wisconsin (Gibson and Chris McIntosh) both absolutely flopped in the NFL? Or that every Wisconsin player the Lions have pretty much ever had and currently have (Calhoun, Fletcher, Alex Lewis, Gibson) all stunk?

A friend of mine brought that up when we were discussing Joe Thomas, and he wants nothing to do with Thomas because of those reasons without ever really having seen him play.