Trade Down Ideas

[collin_k41]

If we do indeed draft OJ Mayo with the #3 pick and look to trade down what would be the best option? Everybody is welcome to throw idea's out there I'm just trying to guage what kind of value we could get and whether it's enough to warrant trading Mayo. Thanks.

[Devilzsidewalk]

I'd like to get hold an auction for the #3 and get Seattle to trade up a spot for OJ in exchange for a Wilcox/Watson Walker/Jaric swap.

[mayorhoiberg]

Trade OJ Mayo to the LA Clippers for Danilo Gallinari and our first rounder back.

Then trade Randy Foye for Shaun Livingston (S&T).

Livingston/Telfair
McCants/Brewer
Gallinari/Gomes
Jefferson/Smith
R.Lopez/Richard

[wolves_fan_82au]

Trade OJ Mayo to the LA Clippers for Danilo Gallinari and our first rounder back.

Then trade Randy Foye for Shaun Livingston (S&T).

Livingston/Telfair
McCants/Brewer
Gallinari/Gomes
Jefferson/Smith
R.Lopez/Richard

um right

[collin_k41]

I'd like to get hold an auction for the #3 and get Seattle to trade up a spot for OJ in exchange for a Wilcox/Watson Walker/Jaric swap.

If we did that who would you draft #4?

[PeeDee]

Then trade Randy Foye for Shaun Livingston (S&T).

Um, no. Unless you like having gimpy pgs. He hasn't shown great progress in his recovery and the Clippers aren't even expected to tender him a qualifying offer.

[Devilzsidewalk]

Lopez probably. Though I'm tempted by Love. So tempted.

I think 5 years from now Love or Rose will be the best player from this draft.

My mind would say Lopez, my heart would say Love.

[PeeDee]

... my heart would say Love.

Such a romantic.

[Krapinsky]

Livingston's option wasn't picked up by the Clips. He's a free agent. Very surprised that a Wolves fan would do a Foye for Livingston swap, let alone a McCants for Livingston swap.

I'm in the minority on this one, I'm sure, but I'd trade back to the Griz for the rights to Marc Gasol, then take Love or Gallinari.

The Knicks have nothing to offer.

The Clips would be an intriguing swap. If McHale decided Lopez or Love or Gallinari was his man at 3, then instead of taking them at 3, he should take Mayo and swap him with the Clips and get our pick back. Maybe also throw a Jaric for Thomas swap in there.

At 8, the Bucks, we're beginning to fall back a little too far. The only thing that would temp me from them would be their #1 next year, just because it could be so low. We'd also need to be assured our guy was there at 8- i.e. love, lopez, or Gallinari.

[mayorhoiberg]

What's wrong with adding some height, passing, and defense while subtracting age while eliminating the redundancy we have with Foye and McCants?

[karch34]

I'd definitely see who had the best offer and consider it, the problem is I'm not sure who is out there to be had.

For example:
Memphis: Mayo, Jaric,Madsen for Mike Miller & #5.
We get a proven player in Miller who isn't a star, but would be an above average starter and could still focus on a big at #5. Gets rid of a bad contract in Jaric.

Seattle: Mayo andMadsen for Sene #4 or Mayo/Jaric/Madsen for Wilcox/Sene/#4
Not interested enough in Earl Watson to use Walker's contract. We get one or two front court players, but no proven scorer. Not sure if using #3 to move a bad contract and get better up front (but not great) is worth it.

NY: Mayo, Jaric, and Madsen for Nate Robinson, Jerome James & #6.
Gets us a nice PG and uses Jaric's salary for a big man who underachieves but could fit what we need and still get Gallarni or similar at #6. Fills needs, but not exactly one that sells tickets.

Milw: Mayo and Jaric for Bogut & #8
Probably more speculation than truth, but this is the type of deal I'd be looking for. A proven young center, getting rid of a bad contract, and still high enough to get a talent at #8.

I guess I'd need to be blown away as I really think Mayo will be a good player, and we'd need to get a quality player and move a bad contract in return to move down. Not saying any of those options listed are great, but Milwaukee and Memphis would be the kind I'd look at.[/i]

[karch34]

I'm in the minority on this one, I'm sure, but I'd trade back to the Griz for the rights to Marc Gasol, then take Love or Gallinari.

That's not bad. From what I've read Gasol has put on some weight and is looking the role of NBA center. I'd take Gallinari and puke if we grabbed Love.

[PeeDee]

What's wrong with adding some height, passing, and defense while subtracting age while eliminating the redundancy we have with Foye and McCants?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2F2B796QeFk

In a game against the Charlotte Bobcats on February 26, 2007, Livingston broke his leg terribly at the knee, dislocating his left kneecap after landing awkwardly following a missed layup, resulting in the left leg snapping laterally. At first, doctors feared they may have to amputate Livingston's leg due to the severity of the injury.[2] Livingston injured almost every part of his knee, tearing the anterior cruciate ligament (ACL), the posterior cruciate ligament (PCL), and the lateral meniscus, badly spraining his medial collateral ligament (MCL), and dislocating his patella and his tibia-femoral joint.

Any other questions?

In other words, if you seriously want to trade Foye for him, then you must be a Clippers fan in Wolves clothing.

[mayorhoiberg]

The injury was a year and a half ago. All recent reports say he's ready to return to the NBA.

I honestly would trade Foye for him.

A real PG with knee issues > a 6'4 shooting guard on a team that needs a PG.

[PeeDee]

If he's so ready, how come there have been multiple reports saying the Clippers won't even tender him a qualifying offer this year, making him an unrestricted free agent a year early?

I don't understand people that won't give Foye a chance, he hasn't even been with the Wolves for 2 full seasons. And in his rookie season, he wasn't even a full time starter.

[mayorhoiberg]

It's not that I don't want to give him a chance, or think he's not a good player...

I just think that its painfully obvious to anyone honest enough to admit it that he can't run a team. He doesnt have the necessary skills to be a PG in the NBA.

He's an effective scorer, but when we get down to admitting he's not a PG, my feeling is that he becomes expendable with a more effective scorer who happens to be younger, longer, and have more NBA experience already on our roster.

[karch34]

Livingston has some incredible skills, but I really think he's too slight of build to ever have a long career in the NBA. He's had a lot of injuries and I think it's going to get harder and harder for him to come back each time. I'd sign him to a cheap contract, but wouldn't trade anything of value for him right now.

[mayorhoiberg]

... After reading that the clippers aren't planning on having him back, I'll certainly recant the offer of Foye for him. I'd give him a shot though, just not for Foye.

[Devilzsidewalk]

its not that the Clippers don't want him, they just don't want to pay his expensive option, he might re-sign with them for lesser $ out of honor, who knows

[shrink]

SHRINK'S TRADE DOWN OPTIONS FOR PICKS:

#4 SEA The gap for them between #3 and #4 (Mayo-to-Bayless) is not as big a gap as it is for us (Mayo-to-???), so this might be a tough trade to complete. However, Mayo would be a very nice fit for their needs. Sene's had knee surgery for a lateral meniscus tear -- they like Petro much better, so asking for Sene is no deal-killer. Perhaps:

#3 + Madsen for #4 + #24 + Sene

#5 MEM I've seen a lot of deals here, but generally they include MIA as a third team. However, in two team deals, supposedly Riley really wants Mayo, and the Heat are hoping Mayo fell to MEM at #5, and they'd deal for him there. Good luck, I think .. MIN or SEA will likely grab Mayo first.

Early versions of two-team deals had MEM getting the third pick to make sure we didn't pick Lopez, but I'm not sure that's a threat any more. In any event, MEM would struggle to meet value here. MEM would likely avoid taking extra salary, so Jaric is out. As a two team deal, perhaps something like:

#3 + Madsen for #5 + Lowry + #28

MIN would need to use #28 and second rounders to move farther into the first round.

Other possibilities would be a three team deal with MIA, but with MEM wantiing Beasley, I just don't think they have enough resources to pay off both MIN and MIA.

#6 NYK New York would be a great spotlight for Mayo, and I'm sure the Knicks would love to have him, and would pay a lot to get him. The problem though is that they simply don't have enough assets. #6 and David Lee are the two biggest, and I question whether Lee would ever be more than a bench player here. Perhaps if they could snag CLE's #19, perhaps by trading the bad contract of Zach Randolph for the worse contract of Ben Wallace? Then a MIN offer could be:

#3 + Madsen for #6 + #19 + Lee

#7 LAC The Clippers should be the team that can get the most value out of Mayo. He fills a position of huge need for them, and his hometown status can help fill the stadium and help with merchandising.

However, I would not accept the previous deal:

#3 + Jaric for #6 + Tim Thomas + future 1st.

Not only is the clipper's pick now #7, but Mayo's value has increased after good camps.

If I was orchestrating a deal with the Clippers, I would require more value than this. Most likely, a three-team deal, where the clippers trade Maggette for some youth assets, and then using some of those assets to complete the deal

#3 + Jaric for #7 + (some Maggette assets) + MIN future 1st.


Now, after going through the #4-7 picks, let me say that I'd have a tough time accepting any of these deals. I'm not complaining about the assets here -- I think they are fair. The problem is that we're talking about getting mutliple lesser players in exchange for a potential superstar. The NBA is a superstar league, and I'd rather swing for the fences. This can be done either by:


TRADE UP:

Mayo + MIA Future 1st for Beasley. I would decline if Blount was in the deal.

TRADE FOR A PLAYER, NOT A PICK

I'd want a young player that still has a bit of star potential in him, but is a good fit. Discussions about Kaman, Bogut, and Okafor are more interesting to me than discussions about Lopez and OK bench players. MIN has the valuable expiring to trade, and they have the future cap space to absorb a big contract and not go over the lux.

JUST KEEP MAYO!

I think he's a great fit next to Foye, and I'm excited to see what he can do.