Any INterest in J howard

[Philly Family]

Would we be interested in a Josh Howard and Brandon Bass trade for a s&t of Iggy....would be good value for both teams. Dallas gets a second fiddle to Dirk and a running mate for Kidd and the Sixers get an all around 2/3 who can also shoot the 3 and Bass could be a protential starter at the 4 spot...we do not lose any cap space and could bring in maybe Sheed in a trade and have him for one year while Bass gets better and strenghts the bench ...thoughts.....

[SendEm]

Something happened to Josh Howard after his best friend was traded and he admitted to smoking weed in the offseason as well as throwing other NBA players under the bus for doing the same. I use to say that he was better than Iggy. He most likely will still be a better value than Iggy after Iggy signs his contract. Adding Bass into this deal makes it a no brainer. But I think that Josh Howard may have begun his trek down the path of being a train wreck. I can picture him waking up next season and just being a 12ppg scorer who can't seem to get his touch back. He's also a worse 3 point shooter than Iggy. But again Brandon Bass makes this deal happen because Iggy is not much of a player anyway. I don't see Iggy or Howard doing much good for a CHIP team moving forward. I'd make the trade and hold my nose hoping that Josh Howard would feel better about his life playing basketball in Philly while being only a hour away from his "best friend."

[is1531]

Would we be interested in a Josh Howard and Brandon Bass trade for a s&t of Iggy....would be good value for both teams. Dallas gets a second fiddle to Dirk and a running mate for Kidd and the Sixers get an all around 2/3 who can also shoot the 3 and Bass could be a protential starter at the 4 spot...we do not lose any cap space and could bring in maybe Sheed in a trade and have him for one year while Bass gets better and strenghts the bench ...thoughts.....

No way the 76ers make this deal If Iggy is traded the bundle has to be bigger than this.

[acasualobserver]

Gotta agree with the majority of what SendEm said. The difference is I really wouldn't want to do this deal. After the comments he made, I have a bad feeling Josh Howard is about to become another enigma (Marbury/Artest) and that's the last thing this young team needs. IMO Bass is about all I'd realistically want and think we could get cheap from Dallas.

[CPops57]

What is Bass in 3 years

[acasualobserver]

He's a very young vet (22) that has great strong/athleticsm, good wingspan, a pretty good mid-range jumper, solid post game, and good rebounding. He's shown flashes whenever given an oppurtunity but, he's stuck behind Dirk

[ckchen]

in Josh Howard.

Howard totally struggled down the stretch, that at the admission of using drugs should throw up red flags all over the place. I personally want no part of a player like that. Say what you want about Iguodala, but the man has zero character flaws, a model citizen.

Personally I think Iguodala is a better athlete and player than Howard and still has room for improvement. At worst, (unless you're sendem) you can call it somewhat even. Then I'm sorry, but <b>Brandon Bass</b> (with one year of decent bench play) does not prove anything to me that he can either be a legitimate starting PF in the league and certainly shouldn't be enough to essentially be the only difference maker in this deal.

Howard is guaranteed $22 over the next two seasons. If he's the all-star sendem seems to think he is, he'll just demand more money in 2010 when he's a FA. Two years is not a lot of time.

Iguodala has little to no negotiation power in his deal for an extension - with the absolute dearth of teams with cap space, he basically has to deal with Sixers, or play on a qualifying offer. One look at the Ben Gordons and Luol Dengs should be enough to know that isn't something that always falls in your favor. He'll more than likely accept the deal offered previously, or the Sixers might have to bump it up to slightly over 5 yrs/$60. Either case, for the next two years, that's still basically the same or equal to Josh Howard's deal.

No brainer for me - stick with the known quantity, model citizen, build a franchise with quality player with room from improvement and help the team improve around him. There absolutely no reason to roll the dice on a player with possible character issues and a so-far one season wonder, if you can even call a bench player a one year wonder.

[Samson]

I really thought you meant Juwan Howard when I read the topic...

...and I got very very scared...!

[CPops57]

Iggy....still has room for improvement.

Howard isn't ancient by any stretch, but being 4 years older he's a lot closer to his physical peak than Iggy is. Howard might be a tad better (debatable) right this moment, but in a couple years this is something that could easily change.

I wouldn't trade Iggy for Howard straight up. I don't know enough about Bass to know whether or not his inclusion alters things enough to make me consider it.

[Samson]

I think I agree with ckchen and Cpops57 if I read their posts correct...

Keep Iguodala, he's the man..

[SendEm]

Josh Howard is much better than Iggy, he can actually break his man down off of the dribble and rebound much better all in less minutes. Josh Howard can give a team 20ppg without being a focal point of the offense as proof with playing alongside Dirk. I don't think that Iggy being 4 years younger is much of a factor because Iggy lacks half court skills and an explosive first step that he will never develop that Josh Howard already has. If Josh Howard became the focal point of an offense he could average 23ppg. This is a man that had a 47 point game this season. If placed on a team like the Sixers and given a complete greenlight like Iggy he would put up serious numbers and all of you guys would think that we won the trade just because he is averaging 5+ more ppg than Iggy.

I really don't like the train wreck factor that Josh Howard could have begun a downward spiral in his career. He has 3 years left on his deal which is good. With the contract that Iggy is looking to receive there is NO WAY that he will be of any value in 3 seasons while Josh Howard will still most likely be a value IF he doesn't fall off. He did increase his scoring this season even though I recall him averaging like 22ppg before Kidd came on the scene.

Brandon Bass was one of the best midrange shooters in the NBA last season. Beyond his other skills that is VERY impressive. That complements his explosive first step and fearless dunking ability.

I would make this trade and throw free agent money at Monta Ellis and Childress. One of those two players should be obtainable guaranteed.

[ckchen]

Josh Howard is much better than Iggy, he can actually break his man down off of the dribble and rebound much better all in less minutes. Josh Howard can give a team 20ppg without being a focal point of the offense as proof with playing alongside Dirk. I don't think that Iggy being 4 years younger is much of a factor because Iggy lacks half court skills and an explosive first step that he will never develop that Josh Howard already has. If Josh Howard became the focal point of an offense he could average 23ppg. This is a man that had a 47 point game this season. If placed on a team like the Sixers and given a complete greenlight like Iggy he would put up serious numbers and all of you guys would think that we won the trade just because he is averaging 5+ more ppg than Iggy.

Please "much better" than Iggy? Honestly, if Josh Howard (and Brandon Bass) were the gods of basketball that you claim them to be, there is absolutely no reason why the Mavs would even make that deal.

Personally, I disagree with most of what you say. Iggy being 4 years younger is totally a factor - He's already a better passer and defender than Josh Howard is or probably ever will be. He's only 24 and has room to grow. If Josh Howard was the focal point of the offense, there is little to no guarantee that he would perform any better - in fact, it can be argued that the reason Howard is so effective is because he has another scorer in Dirk to take attention from him. The fact that Iguodala can put up better numbers in Philly were there aren't really any other big time scorers, to me says that the opposite of what you are implying, that somehow Josh Howard would suddenly turn into a ridiculous 23+ pt scorer in Philadelphia. If that was the case, Dallas would run its offense through Josh Howard, or even trade Dirk to see the amazing rise of the great Josh Howard. The fact that they do neither is telling. Josh Howard couldn't carry this team any better, and I would argue, would probably be most likely worse than Iguodala has been. You say that Iguodala has some kind of green light to take all the shots he wants in this offense, and yet Josh Howard shoots more often than Iggy, and yet produces the same numbers, in what should be considered a more scoring-oriented offense. And he does all of this without providing even half of the defense that Iguodala provides. Even if JH got those +5ppg you claim, it would be meaningless if he gave them right back the other team on defense.

With the contract that Iggy is looking to receive there is NO WAY that he will be of any value in 3 seasons while Josh Howard will still most likely be a value IF he doesn't fall off. He did increase his scoring this season even though I recall him averaging like 22ppg before Kidd came on the scene.

Actually, he averaged about 20ppg - which is barely different or better than Iggy, btw. And to say that there is NO WAY that Iguodala will be of ANY value in 3 seasons is downright laughable. He'd still be younger in 3 years than Josh Howard is today. Philly has all of the leverage in the negotiation with Iguodala and will mostly likely sign him to a deal that is reasonable because he has no other options. Even if they gave him a deal at $12-14M a year, the difference between that and the $10-12M a year that Josh Howard will earn for the next 3 is negligible at best. $2M/yr in today's NBA is kind of meaningless.

Brandon Bass was one of the best midrange shooters in the NBA last season. Beyond his other skills that is VERY impressive. That complements his explosive first step and fearless dunking ability.

Seriously, unless you are Brandon Bass's agent, you need to take a step and listen to yourself. Best midrange shooter in the NBA last season? Give me a break. If Bass was this good, they would have been starting him (or giving him starter's minutes) over a washed up Stackhouse or Eddie Jones at some point in this season. Dirk is perfectly capable of playing any position from 3-5, and if Brandon Bass was as good as you say, they would've found more than 20 mpg for the guy (where he scored over 20 exactly once in almost 80 games. You would think the "best midrange shooter in the the NBA" with a "explosive first step and fearless dunking ability" would have been able to produce a little better than that.

You can argue that he is behind Dirk, but in the 5 games Dirk was out, they started Bass exactly once where he lit up the Rockets to an awesome tune of 7 pts and 5 rbs in 29 minutes. He was so awesome, in fact, that they didn't even bother to start him or even give him his usual 20 minutes or less when Dirk was out for a entire 4 game stretch later in the same month. What does that say?

Yes, Brandon Bass was a pleasant find off the scrap heap like you say, but to assume that a halfway decent production coming off the bench in limited minutes translates to some kind of star potential that you are projecting and touting is far from reality.

[SendEm]

"implying, that somehow Josh Howard would suddenly turn into a ridiculous 23+ pt scorer in Philadelphia. If that was the case, Dallas would run its offense through Josh Howard, or even trade Dirk to see the amazing rise of the great Josh Howard. "

I stopped reading after that. I can waste minutes of my life elsewhere...

[chrice]

Is there an actual rumor for this trade?

[ckchen]

"implying, that somehow Josh Howard would suddenly turn into a ridiculous 23+ pt scorer in Philadelphia. If that was the case, Dallas would run its offense through Josh Howard, or even trade Dirk to see the amazing rise of the great Josh Howard. "

I stopped reading after that. I can waste minutes of my life elsewhere...

It's probably more likely that just don't have a legitimate response to my points that anyone (besides yourself, Josh Howard and Brandon Bass) will agree with.

I was, of course, hyperbolizing to make my point (as if you can't tell that from the way I wrote it). The point still stands, it can be easily argued that Josh Howard is effective BECAUSE of Dirk's presence, not in spite of, and that there isn't any more reason to believe that he would be anymore effective than Iguodala in Philadelphia.

[Nofx8881]

i love how you guys act like josh howard admitting he smokes pot is some sign that he's a horrible man and he's going to turn into a crack addled trainwreck.

hate to break it to you, but i'd say most of the guys on every NBA team smoke pot. athletes do it. regular people do it. i do it. it's pot. it's not cocaine. it's not heroin. it's marijuana.

would you all feel the same way if you found out that willie green, samuel dalembert, louis williams, reggie evans and a couple of other guys on the sixers smoked pot?

[SendEm]

i love how you guys act like josh howard admitting he smokes pot is some sign that he's a horrible man and he's going to turn into a crack addled trainwreck.

hate to break it to you, but i'd say most of the guys on every NBA team smoke pot. athletes do it. regular people do it. i do it. it's pot. it's not cocaine. it's not heroin. it's marijuana.

would you all feel the same way if you found out that willie green, samuel dalembert, louis williams, reggie evans and a couple of other guys on the sixers smoked pot?

Being stupid enough to admit to millions that you indulge in an illegal substance and telling the whole world that your colleagues are doing so is TRAIN WRECK territory. I have said before no one likes a whistle blower, Carmelo Anthony would call it snitching. So at the end of the day he has shown that he has an inability to be selective of his words. He plays in Dallas where the media for basketball is cup cake city, imagine what it will be like for him in Philly. This here media will smell blood in the water knowing that they have some sort of weirdo diarrhea mouth playing for the Sixers.

[Nofx8881]

i still don't get it.

i guess i don't really see smoking pot as a big deal seeing as i know that the majority of nba players more than likely smoke it during the offseason.

all he was doing was telling the truth.

what's wrong with whiste blowing?

and if he were in philly he'd probably just hang out with correll buckhalter and get high on his off days. cool with me.