Would you guys do RJ for Odom? Draft reasons alone

[Dexmor]

I think this trade is a trade that needs to happen. It gives the Nets more leaway to draft almost anybody with Odom being versitle

It probably won't happen because they need to sign Bynum so the money could be an issue although if the Nets took on Radman and gave the Lakers Boone maybe it could work.

Lets say the Lakers sign Odom for 10 million they could do a

RJ
Boone

for

Odom
Radman

That is a good trade for both.

Lakers have

Bynum
Gasol
RJ
Kobe
Fisher

Nets have

Kristic
Odom
Carter
Gorden (if he slips)
Harris

Now if they have Odom they can run and break and with Odom able to play the 3 and 4 spot they have alot more options in the draft.
Carter has to play the sf spot because on D he can not handle sg's. He couldn't when he was young and he is getting older.

[fasca]

y in the world would we tak radman back considering how long and bad his contract is, it's not worth it to take him back.

[MrDollarBills]

Lamar Odom?

Sheesh...the guy is a solid rebounder and i like the skill set he brings to that SF spot but man he is softer than baby doo and he's not going to provide the low post scoring and defense we need. At this point i'd probably take him over Jefferson though since neither of them play defense but Odom is a better all around player.

[Da big3]

RJ>Odom, slightly
and Boone for Rad man, Rad man is a role player and older than boone, why trade a young stud for a role player...

[Dexmor]

Odom plays the pf spot primarly not sf spot so maybe you don't watch him enough to say that.
15 points 11 rebounds and 5 dimes. I think his scoring would go up on the Nets to.

[Dexmor]

Some of these reasons I named already but here it goes.

The Lakers will have Bynum back next year and not even Phil Jackson can keep Bynum off the bench for longer then half a season without a riot.
That means imo they will need more of a real sf. Artest would be the best pick for this but with the trianlge and him wanting to go home I think RJ is the best option.
They can even turn his contract into a positive.

RJ
Boone

For

Odom
Radman

If they sign Odom for a 4-5 year deal for around 45 million and have the first year pay him around 9 and throw in Radman to give the Lakers a little cap room it could work.

This makes the Nets alot better to because imo RJ and Carter don't really have a problem playing with each other but I think Carter really needs to play the sf spot because he can't guard the 2guards.

So the benefits for the Nets would be

1.More of a versitle player

2.Finally they get there pf who can play sf

3.He can really be a fastbreak player. RJ is a perfect fastbreak player but Odom is even more suite for it being not only can he run the break but he can start it and be the point for it.

4.They have more options in the draft having a player like Odom who can play multiple positions. Harris already gives them the option to draft a Gorden if he slips with Harris being able to guard sg's.

5.Odom never really played to his potential playing with Kobe. On the Nets he could be a 19 point 11 rebound 5 assists guy with a block or 2.

6.It would really be benefitual to Carter. He would probably average 25 a game again.

7.Radman was a decent player on the Sonics but I don't think he does good in the triangle but I think he can do well on the Nets. He can be a 14 point a game scorer.

8.Kristic is a really good player but playing with no help upfront makes it so much harder. With Odom Kristic could easily be a 17 point a game scorer.


Lakers benefits

1.Bynum-Gasol-RJ-Kobe-Fisher that team is absolutley perfectly made.

2.RJ is a real sf exactly what the team needs.

3.Odom was always inconsistant with the Lakers. I think it's the triangle. He was meant to play in a fastbreak offense. RJ can do both, he is much smarter of a player and would pick up the triangle on the plane ride to L.A.

4.RJ can guard the better of the 2/3 so he would really help Kobe. He could be Kobe's Pippen in that sence.

5.Kobe is really the only one on the team that can get to the rim at anytime. You need more then 1. RJ would be that second player. Odom does have that finger role and decent layups but not like RJ.

6.Lakers get to unload Radman and his redicous contract and if they do it right they can save some coin for Bynum.

7.Yet another player that can hit the 3. Again a big help to Kobe. I always felt when you have a player like Jordan-Kobe-Lebron you need to surround them with players that make the game easier for them. Odom never did that for Kobester imo.

8.The Defense will be alot better. They have 2 7 footers for block shots and now they will have 2 defensive studs who can lock down the wing and when they throw Sasha in there that is a defensive studly team.

9.Odom is a better all around player but RJ is a hell of an allaround player to. He can play pg in spurts and even pf at times, not like Odom but he can. He is not the passer Odom is but he is a really good passer for his position and a 22 point a game scorer.

[Preludepunk27]

I think this is the common reasoning around here:

Yes we like RJ a lot here. Are we gonna win or compete for a title with the roster we have now? No way. The thing is though, we're not gonna trade RJ just for the sake of trading him. RJ is probably gonna leave town only if we're bringing a legit PF in that would instantly boost us to at least a top 4-5 team in the East and hoping we can build upon that. I like Odom, but he doesn't make us any better than what we are right now.

As of right now, I definitely can't see this happening

Plus, Odom can play the 3 in the Lakers offense and you guys can own at life since you'd be sending tool Radman to the bench with that line up when Bynum comes back.

[Dexmor]

Yeah but Odom has been playing pf for the past 4 years. I don't understand why you would assume him to be a sf.
He can be a legit pf. I am a Lakers and Nets fan and I have league pass so I know.
Odom is 6'10 gets 11 rebounds a game, can play in the post. He can play pf no problem and has gotten much better on D. He does not get abused by the pf's in the league. In the East he would possibly be an allstar. He came close on the Heat. He is better now and then he got 19 10 and 5.
The Nets have enough wing players and Odom would fit perfectly and really be exactly what they need. Lets say they get an Artest for Carter hypothetically speaking and had

Kristic
Odom
Carter
Artest
Harris

They would be awesome

Nets need a pf and Lakers will need a sf. It's perfect.
The trade almost happened except Gerald was involved so it fell off.

They are about even skill wise. I give RJ the advantage 1 on 1 but big picture wise Odom is more valuable with his rebounding and now shotblocking and the fact that he can play 2 positions fulltime and give minutes at all 5 positions. His defensive has become really good to now with him guarding pg's and even Centers.
He is not soft people just assume he is because he is skinny.

[halfHAVOC]

RJ > ODOM

but if the lakers had RJ

KOBE + RJ on the wings and Bynum + Gasol down low?

that would be so unfair.

[Dexmor]

Odom is a better all around player and they are in the same level. Even if RJ is a little better Carter needs to play the sf spot he is way to horrible on D to play the 2 like he is now which is why there peremtier defense sucks and Odom is a pf. They need a pf.
You can't be like Isiah and just look at who is better. Odom fits the teams needs more. Who is there leading rebounder for the past 5 years? There pg.
Do you guys not see there problems? They need rebounding and they need better peremiter defense and although RJ is a great defender moving Carter to his natural position at sf will help there D and let them get a real sg who can defend his position.

On the Nets Odom would probably grab 12 rebounds a game and get alot more shots so he would probably be a 18 point a game scorer and that to them is more valuable then RJ.

[Dexmor]

Do you guys consider Marion better then RJ because Marion was offered for Odom and denied. When RJ gets put on the block which is yearly nobody takes him. I know he is underrated but this trade helps both teams.

[Dexmor]

Another decent option for them although it wouldn't help there D is trading Carter for David Lee, Jamal Crawford.
David Lee is a guy who can be a 12-15 point a game scorer and a 10-12 rebounder a game guy. Crawford is also a pretty decent player. Probably the Knicks best player.

[halfHAVOC]

carter is not horrible D.

carter is a solid defender.

when hes healthy and puts his mind to it, he can lock players down.

[Serpo]

Another decent option for them although it wouldn't help there D is trading Carter for David Lee, Jamal Crawford.
David Lee is a guy who can be a 12-15 point a game scorer and a 10-12 rebounder a game guy. Crawford is also a pretty decent player. Probably the Knicks best player.

HELL NO , Crawford makes Vince look like a lockdown defender and IS a career 40% shooter . Lee = Boone just more experienced but in need for a payday alot sooner. I my mind Josh is a better defender even though worse offensive.

[Preludepunk27]

Do you guys consider Marion better then RJ because Marion was offered for Odom and denied. When RJ gets put on the block which is yearly nobody takes him. I know he is underrated but this trade helps both teams.

Remember RJ was coming off 2 straight injury plagued seasons at that point too. People were weary he becoming injury prone, plus I know for a fact the Nets were demanding too much for him with the low value he had.

[Preludepunk27]

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HELL NO , Crawford makes Vince look like a lockdown defender and IS a career 40% shooter . Lee = Boone just more experienced but in need for a payday alot sooner. I my mind Josh is a better defender even though worse offensive.

Knicks are not gonna take on ANY long term deals. They're looking for cap space at the end of 2010 so no way in hell they even think about trading for vince unless they move another big contract to a team under the cap to free up space (see: possibly trading Zach Randolph for Philly for Reggie Evans which I keep reading about).

That and New Yorkers will burn down the garden if they traded away David Lee right now.

[Serpo]

Lee and the 6th are the two things on the Knicks with good value .

The others value isn't great . Crawfords isn't that bad but its not good either .

The rest of the team has no to negative value so it'll be hard for the Knicks to change much.

[mack69]

Listen!!!!!!! You are not getting us to bite on any trades for Odom unless you are talking Bynum with the deal.

Have you learn anything from the Kidd deal. You are not getting any player from us unless ready to ante up.

[kamaze]

No thanks don't want Radman's contract and plus Vince and Odom=softest team ever.
I'd trade Vince for Odom straight up LO only has one year left on his contract.

[Preludepunk27]

No thanks don't want Radman's contract and plus Vince and Odom=softest team ever.
I'd trade Vince for Odom straight up LO only has one year left on his contract.

Maybe we can get Charmin as a corporate sponsor in the Barclar Center. We can make shirts with Vince and Odom on it with the play on words "Char-Men" underneath.