Memphis - Indy Trade

[PR07]

Brian Cardinal needs company?

[APerna]

They need a post presence, no matter how weak, but I'm still with you Scoot.

[cdash]

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So we throw away the 11th pick, Shawne Williams career, and 1 of our 3 legit big men to add a guy who will be a backup for us?

I don't get it.

In the original proposed deal, we arent trading Shawne Williams. Its just Murphy and the 11th pick for Miller and the 28th. The only thing we "throw away" is Murphy's nightmare deal.

I dont see why on earth Memphis would do any of these deals, especially one involving Conley...but I'll say one thing: If Memphis would entertain offers for Conley, I'd trade anything short of Granger to get him.

[xxSnEaKyPxx]

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In the original proposed deal, we arent trading Shawne Williams. Its just Murphy and the 11th pick for Miller and the 28th. The only thing we "throw away" is Murphy's nightmare deal.

I dont see why on earth Memphis would do any of these deals, especially one involving Conley...but I'll say one thing: If Memphis would entertain offers for Conley, I'd trade anything short of Granger to get him.

Williams would not play behind Granger, Dunleavy, and Miller. He would be on the inactive list all year.

[DannyGranger]

why would we trade for another swingman...we're packed with them. Where would you fit him in? Granger, Dunleavy and Shawne Williams are already set at the SG and SF positions. Unless we got small and move Granger to PF, but that will still cut Shawne William's mins down. We need a post threat or a PG

[cdash]

The booty in this deal isnt even Mike Miller really, its getting rid of Murphy and his long term, big money contract. I dont think we would have a problem trading Miller/Dunleavy/Granger/Williams if we really wanted to either. They all have pretty good value. Need, need, need. We need assets is what we need. Assets at point guard or center are obviously better for us, but if we can unload dead weight like Murphy and actually get back value, you have to do it.

[Scoot McGroot]

I think if we somehow acquired Mike Miller for Troy Murphy, Shawne Williams would step up to backup the PF spot along with Ike Diogu, and Granger, Dunleavy, and Miller would all split the 96 minutes a night at the swing positions (about 32 minutes a night each, keeping them fresh and us always having talent out there).


Shawne would get plenty of opportunities to play with JO possibly injured, and Ike Diogu not necessarily fitting in Obie's plans.

[xxSnEaKyPxx]

I hardly see how Murphy is dead weight, he played great for us after the All-Star break. He is still at asset to our team and at a position of need. You can call him over-payed, but dead weight? C'mon now, he was averaging like 15-7 after the break if I remember right. He fit in with our offense very well and was getting good at taking it to the hole.

I'm not arguing he is a better player than Miller, but at 11 we can draft someone who can significantly help us in the future, we can't do that at 28. At 11 we have a chance of either Westbrook, Gordon, or Randolph falling to us, we don't have that at 28. I don't see why we should throw away the the best draft pick we have had in what - 20 years? To add a player at a position we don't need, I could really care less about contracts and money at this point, no one will sign here anyway, if we want to turn this team around, it needs to be through the draft.

[Scoot McGroot]

I, as well as a few others, generally feel that Troy Murphy can only produce for this team if JO is not in the lineup. I don't see anyway that they can both produce while in the lineup at the same time. They both play better at the PF spot than the center spot, and they both occupy the mid-range on the offensive end.

[xxSnEaKyPxx]

We don't know that for sure, they haven't played together long enough.

But, lets say it is, even then, why would we trade our 11th pick and a player at a weak position for our strongest position.

Am I the only one who does not want to trade the 11th pick in most any circumstances? I think its far too valuable at this point.

[Scoot McGroot]

I think we could then turn around and trade Mike Miller for expirings and a mid-1st round pick. Essentially, if you could trade Troy Murphy for expirings and only move down in the draft about 1-6 spots, would you do it?

[xxSnEaKyPxx]

Theres no way we could guarantee that though.

I probably would do it, but as I said before, any of the players that would be good for the Pacers would be gone around 11-13. Past that I don't see a player that could really help us out. There is a glut of SF's and a C prospect or 2.

[basketballwacko2]

I still don't like tradinga the #11 myself but if we could cut a year off Murphy's contract by adding Miller it would be beneficial. I'd want to expand the deal as was posted earlier. I'd like to find a way to get one of their PGs in the deal. Is moving up to the #11 worth more than Miller for Murphy? In this draft I think it is. And remember this Memphis team made that deal with the Lakers for Gasol. Which could mean that they would never take more salary than they send out.

[cdash]

Here's a good rule of thumb straight out of the fantasy basketball realm: If you get minutes, you will generally put up numbers. Murphy getting the minutes is why he put up whatever numbers he did at the end of the year. His defense is bad, he putters around the perimeter too much, he is slow, and he really doesnt do any one thing particularly well. He is not worthless, but he doesnt warrant more than maybe $4 million of the $10 million he makes. You can pluck someone from the D-League to do most of the things that Murphy does, and pay them 1/10th as much. I am not wild about trading the 11th pick, but lets be realistic here: The likelihood of the 11th pick being an instant impact player is slim, a future All-Star is slimmer, and honestly if anyone picked at 11 ended up being as good as Mike Miller, I'd be mildy surprised. Its a pipedream to think Gordon will fall to us, it just wont happen. At 28, there are plenty of options that could be a solid bench player or fringe starter. And like Scoot said, if we really wanted to, we could turn around and trade Miller or Dunleavy to move back up in the draft.

[notque]

You cannot pluck a 6'11'' rebounder with 3 point range from the dleague.

[cdash]

Sure you could. The D-League really has some decent players in it. Random thought, but I bet we see Earl Calloway on an NBA team at some point next season.