Seriously why is the NBA not the most popular sport?

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Post#61 » by TheKingOfVa360 » Thu Jun 12, 2008 5:25 pm

bstein14 wrote:The NBA was more exciting the the 80's when there were fewer fouls, more physical play...

Who wants to watch teams march to the FT line at the end of a close game? That drains the excitement right out of it.

Who wants to see Kobe Bryant, Lebron James, or D Wade shoot 20+ FTs? How frustrating is it when Ginoblie flops all over the place. How frustrating is it when certain stars get preferential treatment. I actually love "pure" basketball a lot more than the crap the NBA has turned into recently. College basketball is so much better.

The NBA has been going down hill ever since they changed the defensive rules in 05 basically not allowing a defender to put a hand on an offensive player. Give me a break.




I agree 100 percent. As a Wizards and Magic fan it was hard to watch the playoffs this year with all the bs calls.
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Post#62 » by Mumbles » Thu Jun 12, 2008 5:43 pm

ReddBogutCharlieV wrote:I think the players in the NFL are more likable too. Like Brett Favre, everybody likes him and can relate to him. Is there really a player like that in the NBA?


Meh, Bret's cool but I wouldn't say everyone likes and can relate to him. If you're talking about certain aspects of his personal life then you could apply that to lots of basketball dudes. But I don't think we can totally relate to these professional athletes. He's certainly marketed as the all american guy though. Magic, Baron Davis, and KG are likeable, thoughtfull etc..I think they should put on Wrangler jeans, then the NBA would be more popular. :nonono:
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Post#63 » by Don Draper » Thu Jun 12, 2008 5:58 pm

bstein14 wrote:The NBA was more exciting the the 80's when there were fewer fouls, more physical play...

Who wants to watch teams march to the FT line at the end of a close game? That drains the excitement right out of it.

Who wants to see Kobe Bryant, Lebron James, or D Wade shoot 20+ FTs? How frustrating is it when Ginoblie flops all over the place. How frustrating is it when certain stars get preferential treatment. I actually love "pure" basketball a lot more than the crap the NBA has turned into recently. College basketball is so much better.

The NBA has been going down hill ever since they changed the defensive rules in 05 basically not allowing a defender to put a hand on an offensive player. Give me a break.


You pretty much summed it up. I like watching the Miami Heat play the Knicks. Basketball at its purest form. Up until the mid 90s basketball was a man's sport. Now its soccer. Superstar calls are out of control. It's sad that going into game 3 everyone knew Kobe was going to go to the line no less that 15 times. It's not Kobe's its just the pussy nature of the game now. I personally believe it was designed to lessen athletic gap between American players and Euros but that is just my belief.
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Post#64 » by Serpo » Thu Jun 12, 2008 6:03 pm

LOL the NBA rules are so much different in terms of fouls when you consider it to Europe this has nothing to do with european players.

Scola got called for tons of fouls he has never been called on in Europe at the beginning of the season . He had to completely change the way he plays because of the different rules.
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Post#65 » by SpeedyG » Thu Jun 12, 2008 6:10 pm

I was born in a country where American Football was not popular (if it was even shown on TV at all). Basketball is also the most popular sport there (even to this day). Basketball was my first love sports wise, but football quickly overtook it once I moved to the US and understood how the game is played and all the rules.

True, American football has a slower pace than the NBA. The chess comparison is a good one, because that's what the NFL is like. Much like chess, the NFL is a battlefield. You see each team advance against the opposing team. But the NFL also gives me more of that "on the edge" feeling when I watch it. Blink and you can miss a great play that results in a touchdown, which are more difficult to come by than a point in basketball. Basketball may be more entertaining in that it is more fast paced, but often, you can skip the entire game, tune in for the last two minutes of a close game, and not really care about what you missed. I don't get the same feeling with football.

As far as the athletes are concerned, you are comparing apples and oranges. You look at the lineman and say they are terrible athletes because they have those huge guts. Well, that's true. But that's not their game. Look at how they push each other around, on gameday and on practice, and think of the stress they put on those arms. Nevertheless, let's look at the actual athletes of both sport and you'll see you are wrong. Prime example is Allen Iverson, who played both sports. AI, during his younger days, was one of the fastest, if not the fastest player in the NBA. He runs a 4.4 in the 40 yard dash. That's give or take, the minimum NFL teams look for in a WR or a DB. While he's an elite in the NBA as far as quickness and speed is concerned, he's simply average as far as starting WR/DB are concerned in the NFL.

That being said, you're comparing two different "breeds" of athletes here, and it's really not fair to compare them. The NFL has a lot of "unathletic" positions (i'm looking at you, kickers and punters, although even that is changing), but when you look at their best athletes (WR/DB/RB) and compare them to the best athletes in other sports, you'll see the NFL compares very favorably, if not outclass other sports.
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Post#66 » by elbowthrower » Thu Jun 12, 2008 6:29 pm

ReddBogutCharlieV wrote:I think the players in the NFL are more likable too. Like Brett Favre, everybody likes him and can relate to him. Is there really a player like that in the NBA?



It's unfortunate that the NBA has the rep it does because when you look at the sheer number of incidents, the NFL has way more criminals, thugs and knuckleheads than the NBA does.

But the NBA has plenty of likeable stars. Ray Allen, Steve Nash, Grant Hill, Okafor, Dirk, Mutombo, Yao, and Tim Duncan come to mind.
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Post#67 » by SpeedyG » Thu Jun 12, 2008 6:34 pm

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Basketball is constantly changing though. It's like there's an audible being called every second and it's not called you have to think it and be in tune with your team, you have to find holes in the floor and constantly figure out whether you'll be able to get into that space and where your teammates will be. I mean with football sure your quarterback has to make a quick decision but the linemen? Cmon... And recievers run set routes.



Methinks you're a casual football fan who don't understand all the rules and nuisance of the game, and that is clouding your judgment because you're a hardcore basketball fan.

Have you seen a football playbook, much less an NFL playbook? They are HUGE, and EVERY player needs to know every single one of those plays. Not just the QB. Those linemen you were talking about? Who do you think keeps the QB upright? Not only do those men have to know what play they are running, they have to know the snap count. They have to know (or at least recognize) what the defense is doing (is it 4-3, 3-4, nickel, dime, etc). Are the lineman going to stunt? Are they blitzing or not? If they are, where are they coming from? Linemen (primarily the center) makes all of these calls on the line. Being a WR isn't also just about running set routes. What if it's 3rd and 6 and your route calls you to run a 5 yard out? You have to realize that you need that extra yard and extend your route, and in order to do that, you need to know where the first down mark is. Oh yeah, you also need to be aware where that sideline is so you can keep both feet in bounds as you catch that ball. Did I mention there's also another great athlete trying to defend the pass? All of that happens in a matter seconds. And also, you don't think WRs break off their routes? If a play breaks down, or if they have run their routes and no one is open but the QB is still upright and looking for someone, do they just stop playing? Nope! Also, some plays actually require the WRs/RB to read what the defense is playing and adjust accordingly.
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Post#68 » by whambamslam » Thu Jun 12, 2008 6:36 pm

I think there are 2 main reasons why football is more popular than basketball 1st the once a week thing plays a huge role. 2nd and hardly anyone mentioned this is fantasy football. Fantasy football is huge it give me a reason to watch every NFL game I can. It gives me a reason to watch say an 4-12 team play a 5-11 team that there would be no reason for me to watch if it wasn't for fantasy football.
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Post#69 » by Phobo_Phile » Thu Jun 12, 2008 6:40 pm

elbowthrower wrote:-= original quote snipped =-




It's unfortunate that the NBA has the rep it does because when you look at the sheer number of incidents, the NFL has way more criminals, thugs and knuckleheads than the NBA does.

But the NBA has plenty of likeable stars. Ray Allen, Steve Nash, Grant Hill, Okafor, Dirk, Mutombo, Yao, and Tim Duncan come to mind.


Yeah but still most people aren't even 6'5" or taller. Steve Nash really is the only one out of this list that I could see a young kid looking up too. MAYBE Dirk. But I think when you are talking about being the most popular sport which also means liked by a majority. And of course majority means white. I think race and height are your two biggest factors. Maybe we'll get there but not yet.

Also remember it's really a generation thing. Growing up you typically get attached to the sport and team your parents were attached too. I'm know I'm an exception to this rule but most people don't get into sports accidentally in the first place. If you are raised in Boston and your dad is a Red Sox fan and baseball is the only sport he kept up with. Your tendency is going to be just like him unless sometime in your life you are introduced to something new.
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Post#70 » by magicfan4life05 » Thu Jun 12, 2008 6:45 pm

Phobo_Phile wrote:-= original quote snipped =-



Yeah but still most people aren't even 6'5" or taller. Steve Nash really is the only one out of this list that I could see a young kid looking up too. MAYBE Dirk. But I think when you are talking about being the most popular sport which also means liked by a majority. And of course majority means white. I think race and height are your two biggest factors. Maybe we'll get there but not yet.

Also remember it's really a generation thing. Growing up you typically get attached to the sport and team your parents were attached too. I'm know I'm an exception to this rule but most people don't get into sports accidentally in the first place. If you are raised in Boston and your dad is a Red Sox fan and baseball is the only sport he kept up with. Your tendency is going to be just like him unless sometime in your life you are introduced to something new.




Wow you make a really great statement there, I can easily remember how i go into basketball. I hated it so much, i never wanted to watch it or do anything with it, but then my older bro used to get me to watch it with him, and i would get so pissed b/c instead of us watching 'who wants to be a millionaire' he'd make me watch the NBA Finals....wow that's really crazy looking back
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Re: Seriously why is the NBA not the most popular sport? 

Post#71 » by Santana Moss » Thu Jun 12, 2008 7:05 pm

SpeedyG wrote:As far as the athletes are concerned, you are comparing apples and oranges. You look at the lineman and say they are terrible athletes because they have those huge guts. Well, that's true. But that's not their game. Look at how they push each other around, on gameday and on practice, and think of the stress they put on those arms. Nevertheless, let's look at the actual athletes of both sport and you'll see you are wrong. Prime example is Allen Iverson, who played both sports. AI, during his younger days, was one of the fastest, if not the fastest player in the NBA. He runs a 4.4 in the 40 yard dash. That's give or take, the minimum NFL teams look for in a WR or a DB. While he's an elite in the NBA as far as quickness and speed is concerned, he's simply average as far as starting WR/DB are concerned in the NFL.


I'm gonna preface this by saying I am a bigger football fan than a basketball fan (see my name). I can watch any football game. Basketball, I only watch if it's either my team (the Wizards) or a team that has a superstar like Kobe Bryant on it. With that said, Allen Iverson was a star QB and DB in high school, and he was supposedly better than Michael Vick was.

That being said, you're comparing two different "breeds" of athletes here, and it's really not fair to compare them. The NFL has a lot of "unathletic" positions (i'm looking at you, kickers and punters, although even that is changing), but when you look at their best athletes (WR/DB/RB) and compare them to the best athletes in other sports, you'll see the NFL compares very favorably, if not outclass other sports.


I disagree. When an athlete has a choice between pro-basketball and pro-football, they will choose basketball most of the time. Bigger contracts. Bigger endorsements. Guaranteed contracts. Less risk of injury. Less risk of lifelong injuries.

Think about it.

Tony Gonzalez and Antonio Gates are elite tight ends considered "basketball players" converted to football players. Why aren't they playing in NBA? Cause they weren't good enough.

Terrell Owens and Randy Moss, two of the elite wide receivers in the NFL actually prefer playing basketball over football according to interviews, but obviously weren't good enough to get to the NBA. Randy Moss had tryouts, but that was more for publicity than his actual skill.

Donovan McNabb, a star QB in the NFL, was a scrub on the Syracuse basketball team. Jason Taylor, the elite DE on the Miami Dolphins, is also a basketball player.

Also, basketball players have to catch all sorts of high speed passes, whether it be in the paint or on fast breaks. People are always ragging on Kwame Brown for having stone hands, but I've seen WR's drop wide open passes, get hit in the facemask by balls, and RB's drop the easiest screen passes. That kind of stuff just does not happen in the NBA. If it does, it is not a regular occurance like it is in the NFL.

But I reiterate, I love football. Football takes more heart and brains than the basketball does, and that is precisely why I love it.
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Post#72 » by HarlemHeat37 » Thu Jun 12, 2008 7:09 pm

****, now I can't wait for the NFL..every year it just seems like it finishes in an instant and takes forever to come back..
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Post#73 » by celticfan42487 » Thu Jun 12, 2008 7:12 pm

Tell me, how does the a player fake getting the knocked the **** out?

Tell me, how does a player fake falling down?

That should be the main reason. Everyone has a chance in football because it's more primal then basketball. It's based on strenght determination and strict discipline dispite pain. It's the closest thing you can get to a gladiator fight without being considered inhuman [in america, foreigners I'm sure call it inhuman].


SECONDLY, we are posting on RealGM. If we were football fans we would be able to talk about every player, every game... and we it's so fine and depending on so many variables that two diffrent people could be right in certain arguments. We have a week before every game, enough time to post between plays, and lengthly discussion of the strategy being used by the commentators.

EVERYONE CAN BE AN EXPERT OF AMERICAN FOOTBALL



All that said, I'm enjoy the free movments so I'm strictly a basketball fan and a casual fan of Soccer and Football. So take it for what it's worth.
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Post#74 » by Mr McDunkonu » Thu Jun 12, 2008 7:49 pm

The pinnacles of each sport are wide apart. A game-winning shot in game seven of the NBA finals barely trumps the euphoria sports fans feel when someone gets knocked the f--- out in a week three match between two .500 teams.
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Post#75 » by Mr McDunkonu » Thu Jun 12, 2008 7:54 pm

I don't know if it was mentioned -- I didn't see it skim-reading all seven pages -- but fantasy football plays a part. It's a huge craze, and completely blows away fantasy basketball.
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Post#76 » by Blame Rasho » Thu Jun 12, 2008 8:27 pm

It's the closest thing you can get to a gladiator fight without being considered inhuman [in america, foreigners I'm sure call it inhuman].


Never heard of boxing or MMA?

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