How to fix the lop-sided officiating issue.

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Post#21 » by miller31time » Fri Jun 13, 2008 3:02 am

Walt Cronkite wrote:Yea, I didn't write it very well.

I guess my point is that the calls are by nature objective. What's a flop? What's a blocking foul? What's a charge? How long do you have to be set to have position in order to draw the charge? Is the hand part of the ball?

When refs do the conference thing, do it at a video screen and make the right call. But if a call is made and it turns out that the defender only hits the shooter's wrist do you wait before the first ft is shot to make sure the foul was actually a foul?

Suggesting that a challenge can only occur when the whistle is blown doesn't solve the constantly complained about no-calls, which can alter a game just as much as blown ones.


Understood. I agree that officiating an NBA game is very subjective at first glance. However, I have faith that officials, if given the benefit of a replay, can make the correct call based on what they are taught prior to the season starting. They are all briefed on the same rules and are a team. Therefore, they should be able to come up with their best determination of the call.

Regarding free throw shooting, that seems like a simple problem to fix. A challenge can only be made prior to free throws being shot. If no challenge is called and a free throw is taken, then the game continues.

I do, however, think that neither of us are wrong or right. We simply see things differently. I have more trust that officials can make the right call if given multiple angles, etc. Others believe that many calls are just too close to make judgement on.
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Post#22 » by Walt Cronkite » Fri Jun 13, 2008 3:11 am

My point is more along the lines of "where is the line drawn"?

1 challenge a half? Quarter? or, if we want 100% accurate games, shouldn't anything that isn't certain be looked at?

That's why I brought up the ft example. It takes forever to get fts shot anyway, so before the first shot goes up I imagine there's time to review the call.

Maybe add an additional official to replay each play and draw attention to the bad calls?
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Post#23 » by miller31time » Fri Jun 13, 2008 3:15 am

Walt Cronkite wrote:My point is more along the lines of "where is the line drawn"?

1 challenge a half? Quarter? or, if we want 100% accurate games, shouldn't anything that isn't certain be looked at?

That's why I brought up the ft example. It takes forever to get fts shot anyway, so before the first shot goes up I imagine there's time to review the call.

Maybe add an additional official to replay each play and draw attention to the bad calls?


I like to keep things simple. 2 challenges. Use them whenever.

As for the free throw example, it doesn't really take that long for them to shoot em' up. Definitely not long enough for the officials to make a trip to the monitors and check the validity of a call.

As much as I'd like for every call to be made correct, I feel like it'd take away from the game and become more about officiating, while slowing the game down. I dunno....just thinking out loud.
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Post#24 » by Walt Cronkite » Fri Jun 13, 2008 3:20 am

I feel like every foul is replayed before the ft is shot these days. I know it doesn't take long to shoot them up, but getting there can take a while for some reason...

I'm not a conspiracy theorist, I don't like the consistency of calls though. I also don't know how much 2 challenges really helps. Would there be automatic review by the replay official/s in the last minute of a half like the NFL too, because otherwise wouldn't you want to make sure you keep one for the last minute?
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Post#25 » by um. » Fri Jun 13, 2008 3:44 am

how about the idea of hiring former player/coaches to referee the games?
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Post#26 » by miller31time » Fri Jun 13, 2008 3:50 am

Walt Cronkite wrote:I feel like every foul is replayed before the ft is shot these days. I know it doesn't take long to shoot them up, but getting there can take a while for some reason...

I'm not a conspiracy theorist, I don't like the consistency of calls though. I also don't know how much 2 challenges really helps. Would there be automatic review by the replay official/s in the last minute of a half like the NFL too, because otherwise wouldn't you want to make sure you keep one for the last minute?


I think that, what it does mostly, is make fans of teams, players of teams, and coaches of teams, feel like they weren't gypped of a win in a game thanks to that famous one call.

And yes, it would be wise for coaches to keep one challenge for the end of a game because that's when the most controversial and key calls are made.
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Post#27 » by Walt Cronkite » Fri Jun 13, 2008 3:54 am

good point.
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Post#28 » by Axel » Fri Jun 13, 2008 4:00 am

I think the real problem is that the NBA rules are too difficult to interpret, especially on the fly. The NBA needs to redefine how it is going to call fouls, so that it is much easier to distinguish between a block and a charge, and perhaps make handchecking legal again.
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Post#29 » by G.A. Clone » Fri Jun 13, 2008 4:27 am

um. wrote:how about the idea of hiring former player/coaches to referee the games?


i think that's a pretty decent suggestion. but not sure if any former players/coaches would actually take the job on.

Being a referee means people get on your case a lot, it could break friendships between some and certain refs might favour some compared to others. So while i think it is a decent suggestion, ultimately, it's a high risk thing to do.
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Post#30 » by um. » Fri Jun 13, 2008 4:33 am

well maybe its finally come to that time in our lives where we have to accept that in this world every sport will be rigged.

it will never be fixed, at least make it fun to watch again. somehow :roll:

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